Right Use of Will
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Cheers & DLight
Tri-me (tree-mite) Sheldrön
"Doorhinge rhymes with orange" Leonard Cohen
Tri-me (tree-mite) Sheldrön
"Doorhinge rhymes with orange" Leonard Cohen
Hi Boss
O yes I too feel the hearts have something to do with the Star of David but perhaps with softened corners ... less without the energy of divine feminine ...
If you look at the covers of the Right Use of Will books you will see this symbol. For many years, Ceanne deRohan asked people not to use these symbols as many readers wanted to do something with them. She did not explain but many readers did respect her request. I feel she has given her permission to L.C. But this is intuition.
If you look at these symbols on the book covers you can also, in contemplation, reflection, meditation, see how this symbol also draws the outline of lovers in intimate embrace ... it's a little harder to get that out of the Star of David but you know those ancient tribes stomped the goddess temples and raised the man above the woman and it's really hard to share hearts in that hierarchy.
Please do not apologize to me for simplicity. It's where truth is. Yes, we can say too much.
As for your loves in April ... sounds like Suns in early Aries ... and perhaps what you love in your women is fire, inspiration, freedom. Because it is early Aries (notice we are only talking about the Sun which means a lot but is only one indicator), all three were also feeling the strong influence of Taurus which would mean they had more access to values of the earth, being grounded, nurturing, and basically putting a little more form on their Aries inspirations.
You know Boss, my teacher hated astrology. He was in a Ramakrishna monastery and he also hated (he thought) the idea of marriage and sensuality and the emotions ... his teacher told him that in this lifetime he was going to have to confront his hatreds ... which meant recover his emotional body (frozen through centuries of indoctrination), explore astrology, and discover human love. Reluctantly, and probably 40 years ago, he bought a $2.95 astrology book. While reading it, something opened to him. He was also given a vision that he would be an astrologer and this really was not a happy prospect. So he was in a lifetime to get it that God has plans and we need to tune into them. So in his meditation (in which Ramakrishna sent him to Yogananda since Yogananda's guru line has astrologers), he said to God, okay, if You want me to be an astrologer, then you teach me.
(Also his natal chart shows he has a skipped step with his emotional body, just as the teacher indicated. Monastics often do. He has since been married - both happily and unhappily but now very sweetly - and has raised six to eight children - and so he has found that the sacred exists within human love and he was a spiritual snob before).
Every night for six years he dreamed astrology. What he learned is in his books and he has a worldwide correspondence school. He is now 58. We have nearly lost him several times as he was a P.O.W. in Vietnam and has gotten drenched in Agent Orange and has problems with his health. For many years he worked as an astrologer in Seattle. He is adored by his students in much the same way as L.C. is by his listeners. It is as if his gift is a healing message.
So, in this way, it's not the same astrology as the astrology that has probably turned you off, which turned him off ... one thing he has also done is surface the deepest and most unencumbered insights into human sexuality ...
I would say the astrology before him that he respects happened with Dane Rudhyar, Carl Jung, and Demetra George. He has many friends and associates in Astrology but what he teaches is unlike any other.
And, he's known Right Use of Will which also surfaces extremely denied and repressed themes about human sexuality. In fact, there's a congruence that is pretty amazing.
Sylvia
O yes I too feel the hearts have something to do with the Star of David but perhaps with softened corners ... less without the energy of divine feminine ...
If you look at the covers of the Right Use of Will books you will see this symbol. For many years, Ceanne deRohan asked people not to use these symbols as many readers wanted to do something with them. She did not explain but many readers did respect her request. I feel she has given her permission to L.C. But this is intuition.
If you look at these symbols on the book covers you can also, in contemplation, reflection, meditation, see how this symbol also draws the outline of lovers in intimate embrace ... it's a little harder to get that out of the Star of David but you know those ancient tribes stomped the goddess temples and raised the man above the woman and it's really hard to share hearts in that hierarchy.
Please do not apologize to me for simplicity. It's where truth is. Yes, we can say too much.
As for your loves in April ... sounds like Suns in early Aries ... and perhaps what you love in your women is fire, inspiration, freedom. Because it is early Aries (notice we are only talking about the Sun which means a lot but is only one indicator), all three were also feeling the strong influence of Taurus which would mean they had more access to values of the earth, being grounded, nurturing, and basically putting a little more form on their Aries inspirations.
You know Boss, my teacher hated astrology. He was in a Ramakrishna monastery and he also hated (he thought) the idea of marriage and sensuality and the emotions ... his teacher told him that in this lifetime he was going to have to confront his hatreds ... which meant recover his emotional body (frozen through centuries of indoctrination), explore astrology, and discover human love. Reluctantly, and probably 40 years ago, he bought a $2.95 astrology book. While reading it, something opened to him. He was also given a vision that he would be an astrologer and this really was not a happy prospect. So he was in a lifetime to get it that God has plans and we need to tune into them. So in his meditation (in which Ramakrishna sent him to Yogananda since Yogananda's guru line has astrologers), he said to God, okay, if You want me to be an astrologer, then you teach me.
(Also his natal chart shows he has a skipped step with his emotional body, just as the teacher indicated. Monastics often do. He has since been married - both happily and unhappily but now very sweetly - and has raised six to eight children - and so he has found that the sacred exists within human love and he was a spiritual snob before).
Every night for six years he dreamed astrology. What he learned is in his books and he has a worldwide correspondence school. He is now 58. We have nearly lost him several times as he was a P.O.W. in Vietnam and has gotten drenched in Agent Orange and has problems with his health. For many years he worked as an astrologer in Seattle. He is adored by his students in much the same way as L.C. is by his listeners. It is as if his gift is a healing message.
So, in this way, it's not the same astrology as the astrology that has probably turned you off, which turned him off ... one thing he has also done is surface the deepest and most unencumbered insights into human sexuality ...
I would say the astrology before him that he respects happened with Dane Rudhyar, Carl Jung, and Demetra George. He has many friends and associates in Astrology but what he teaches is unlike any other.
And, he's known Right Use of Will which also surfaces extremely denied and repressed themes about human sexuality. In fact, there's a congruence that is pretty amazing.
Sylvia
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Interesting bio of your friend, Sylvia.
Interesting when one lets what I call "the higher intelligence" takes the lead. It is difficult at some times, because that part of mystery, that is the shear unknown and also to let go the power of the sole will (teeth and fists tightly closed, I mean).
To come back to the intelligence of the heart here is another interesting book that is on my list (for an uncertain time in the future). I thought some of you might be interested.
for a short résumé, really worth to be read :
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0892819 ... eader-page
and just to give the munchies to read it :
"...a survey of spiritual transcendence so linked to science that it earns a place of respect in the spheres of science, health, and metaphysics."
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/de ... 3?v=glance
Interesting when one lets what I call "the higher intelligence" takes the lead. It is difficult at some times, because that part of mystery, that is the shear unknown and also to let go the power of the sole will (teeth and fists tightly closed, I mean).
To come back to the intelligence of the heart here is another interesting book that is on my list (for an uncertain time in the future). I thought some of you might be interested.
for a short résumé, really worth to be read :
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0892819 ... eader-page
and just to give the munchies to read it :
"...a survey of spiritual transcendence so linked to science that it earns a place of respect in the spheres of science, health, and metaphysics."
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/de ... 3?v=glance
hey thank you, that book's got some great reviews. i'll have a look at it.
haven't read that author ...
here's the website for Right Use of Will ... you'll see the graphic is not exactly the same but does include the star of david ...
http://www.rightuseofwill.com/
haven't read that author ...
here's the website for Right Use of Will ... you'll see the graphic is not exactly the same but does include the star of david ...
http://www.rightuseofwill.com/
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Indeed her symbol replicates the Star of David in an elegant gold and green intertwinning of two hearts surrounding the real thing. His symbol, of no particular colour, I think, the unified heart - note the singular - is two hearts in a (positioned to remind the David Star, or a sexual intercourse, it seems to me) circle.
The two triangles of the DS, for one of the many meaning it can have, mean "what is below is like what is above" and represent the unification of human beings with G_d (or call it what you want). This, maybe, is the reason for the singular. A human heart unified with the Universe? A circle is usually the symbol of G_d, of the almighty power of G_d, G_d beeing the alpha and the omega, being in everything that exists, for eternity (the circle has no beginning and no end).
Now I think that throughout the twists and turns of romantic love, Love find a way to above into the very flesh.
Interesting fact : when a heart is transplanted into a patient, the patient has difficulty with his/her emotion, as the neuronal connections with the former heart and the rest of the body have been cut. After 5 years, though, researchs show that the neuronal connections are rebuilt.
Very very interesting site, Sylvia, as I think that freedom begins exactly when one can take responsibilities. I'll all a look all over.
wow!! thankx for posting the right use of will heart and for your comments.
these books are blockbusters.
i haven't got my curiousity satisfied yet about whether leonard cohen fixed his depression with this practice ... but of course i wish he did because i did ... and love the channeler ...
to review the books quickly, it took me four books to think "okay, this IS god talking" ... and the rest of the books are so raw and so ... underworld, eyes wide shut, chthonic, horrible, all the material ever denied in history and in our DNA ... they are extremely tough to stay present for.
the first four are just amazing ... the next four are aggravating as hell and most people have bad dreams until they integrate the material ... i know people who've done the work for years and then thrown all the books into the fireplace ... and then bought them again ...
nice symbol, huh?
i just sent for ceanne's cookbook the other day. i bought jonathan's music and i have used it a lot with a patient who has late stages lou gehrig's (ALS) and the music is very healing even though healing ALS is God's job or wherever we go when we leave the body ...
these books are blockbusters.
i haven't got my curiousity satisfied yet about whether leonard cohen fixed his depression with this practice ... but of course i wish he did because i did ... and love the channeler ...
to review the books quickly, it took me four books to think "okay, this IS god talking" ... and the rest of the books are so raw and so ... underworld, eyes wide shut, chthonic, horrible, all the material ever denied in history and in our DNA ... they are extremely tough to stay present for.
the first four are just amazing ... the next four are aggravating as hell and most people have bad dreams until they integrate the material ... i know people who've done the work for years and then thrown all the books into the fireplace ... and then bought them again ...
nice symbol, huh?
i just sent for ceanne's cookbook the other day. i bought jonathan's music and i have used it a lot with a patient who has late stages lou gehrig's (ALS) and the music is very healing even though healing ALS is God's job or wherever we go when we leave the body ...
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Sylvia, I really don't know if Leonard Cohen went into this. As per the articles I have read, I am under the impression that he looked to many things in his life, particularly in those years when everybody were trying new kinds of philosophy and new age religions, but once he had met Roshi he went into Zen practice only, then he went to India after he had left the Zen center. As far as I can see throughout the last articles about him, he still practice zen.
That is great if those books help you find the way out of a depression. Those mysterious ways seem work as well as more practical ones. Maybe, as they said, it is the journey that is important, to keep going in this direction.
You and Tri-me are doing an amazing activity. I'm fascinated by the energy which circulates in the body, but when I encounter pro I'm always surprises how it is easy for persons like you to deal with such an energy. It is always interesting to me, but when it goes in real pro talk, I'm soon like between chinese people, though...
I prefer keep my mouth shut and try to understand the more I can. 
That is great if those books help you find the way out of a depression. Those mysterious ways seem work as well as more practical ones. Maybe, as they said, it is the journey that is important, to keep going in this direction.
You and Tri-me are doing an amazing activity. I'm fascinated by the energy which circulates in the body, but when I encounter pro I'm always surprises how it is easy for persons like you to deal with such an energy. It is always interesting to me, but when it goes in real pro talk, I'm soon like between chinese people, though...
I prefer keep my mouth shut and try to understand the more I can. 
yes yes, grief is the healing mediatior between rage and fear. and tears are healing.
but, is it not true, that we can deny our emotions of rage and fear into grief and get totally stuck because fear/terror tend to paralyze our mobility and anger/rage tend to move us to take action to survive ...
grief mediates as the heart mediates. rage insists we survive from the root chakra, to take a stand, to own our life and authority. it can be so distorted as to do harm and that's where fear can place some limits balancing it.
at the same time, all of these emotions are life energy, they are also, like the great AUM, properties of manifest creation - properties of maya - they are the energies that bring the nameless and formless and silence into names, forms, and sounds.
i think that is the healing truth what you have said. but some people use grief to deny their emotional polarities. while the spiritual heart can unify, we cannot reach unity through denial of the entire chakra line.
says me
sylvia
but, is it not true, that we can deny our emotions of rage and fear into grief and get totally stuck because fear/terror tend to paralyze our mobility and anger/rage tend to move us to take action to survive ...
grief mediates as the heart mediates. rage insists we survive from the root chakra, to take a stand, to own our life and authority. it can be so distorted as to do harm and that's where fear can place some limits balancing it.
at the same time, all of these emotions are life energy, they are also, like the great AUM, properties of manifest creation - properties of maya - they are the energies that bring the nameless and formless and silence into names, forms, and sounds.
i think that is the healing truth what you have said. but some people use grief to deny their emotional polarities. while the spiritual heart can unify, we cannot reach unity through denial of the entire chakra line.
says me
sylvia
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Rage and being mad like hell is a step of grief. In this regard one could compare feelings to a child, one has to take great care about, but make it clear that this is not the child that rules the house. For example one can admit that one would be very pleased, to, let say, scratch the new car of an ex with a set of keys, without having to pass to the act, and without a feeling of guilt for having these kind of thoughts and feelings. It is difficult to recognize those kind of emotions because they are considered asocial.
Thank Sylvia, let me go throug the book before! Which will not be very soon, I have a list of books to finish before.
Thank Sylvia, let me go throug the book before! Which will not be very soon, I have a list of books to finish before.
o yes okay
acting out emotions is not the same as being present for them. that is, acting out rage is really manipulating or coercing other people to get our way. it is not the way to work with emotions in a healing way.
insight meditation, vipassana, has many helpful techniques for this.
i appreciate all these comments and responses ... very fun ...
sylvia
acting out emotions is not the same as being present for them. that is, acting out rage is really manipulating or coercing other people to get our way. it is not the way to work with emotions in a healing way.
insight meditation, vipassana, has many helpful techniques for this.
i appreciate all these comments and responses ... very fun ...
sylvia
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Yes I see what you mean Sylvia in regard of manipulation. People can manipulate with rage in order to fear a potential victim so much that this person will become a docile zombie easily controled.
But. Not everybody cares about raging people. So in this case a "raging bull" can steam again and again, no possibility of manipulation, if the person does not allow - so to speak - the bully to manipulate his/her. And so it goes for all other interaction including manipulative behaviors. In this matter, we can become skilled in emotion as well as we become skilled in any thing else, if we study and practice this matter.
However, this is important to keep in mind, that a person who is manipulative can use rage as well as any other emotion or human behavior to manipulate, including having a feable victim's attitude. Who never be confronted to the terrible power of a manipulative victim is very lucky.
The important matter, I think is the will to manipulate, the means come after. Rage or whatever.
In the other hand, under some circumstances and when the feelings are true, to express anger and even rage is a very sane thing to do.
You know, as I have already said in another thread, there is sane culpability and there is unsane culpability. The same thing goes for rage and anger.
No human emotion is useless.
The problems begin, I think, when one is over stressed and can not relax enough and/or take enough distance, not to be slave of his/her emotions, whatever they are. I think.
In this regard, yes, OH! yes, the technics of meditation are... divine! They do miracles. Easy pouns. But. Ey!
Yep! Very "fun" - or for me, interesting!
Sylvia, i would like you to teach me something about the etherical body, an intro maybe, it won't be wasted for the future. I you want.
But. Not everybody cares about raging people. So in this case a "raging bull" can steam again and again, no possibility of manipulation, if the person does not allow - so to speak - the bully to manipulate his/her. And so it goes for all other interaction including manipulative behaviors. In this matter, we can become skilled in emotion as well as we become skilled in any thing else, if we study and practice this matter.
However, this is important to keep in mind, that a person who is manipulative can use rage as well as any other emotion or human behavior to manipulate, including having a feable victim's attitude. Who never be confronted to the terrible power of a manipulative victim is very lucky.
The important matter, I think is the will to manipulate, the means come after. Rage or whatever.
In the other hand, under some circumstances and when the feelings are true, to express anger and even rage is a very sane thing to do.
You know, as I have already said in another thread, there is sane culpability and there is unsane culpability. The same thing goes for rage and anger.
No human emotion is useless.
The problems begin, I think, when one is over stressed and can not relax enough and/or take enough distance, not to be slave of his/her emotions, whatever they are. I think.
In this regard, yes, OH! yes, the technics of meditation are... divine! They do miracles. Easy pouns. But. Ey!
Yep! Very "fun" - or for me, interesting!
Sylvia, i would like you to teach me something about the etherical body, an intro maybe, it won't be wasted for the future. I you want.
Here is a Tibetan and Yogi type exercise that brings the ability to the third eye to see the light bodies. It takes patience because before you see them you are going to see many other versions of yourself from past lives and once you get that done then you will begin to see the etheric body.
The Tibetans call it the double because it is the closest to the physical body. It shines usually silvery white but it can sometimes look black too as you go through different states of teaching your spiritual eye to see.
It is two to four inches from the body. It is the matrix of the physical body. The next light body out is the astral and it is very colorful and radiating and also interpenetrating the etheric and physical. Once you start seeing that on a regular basis you have got beyond me because the first time I saw it I got so excited/agitated that it went away and now I have to work and wait.
Here is what to do:
Sit in a soft light or semi darkened room with some music that is soft ... it can be anything that is peaceful or even emotionally moving ... I've used flutes and I've used Leonard (10 New Songs) with equal good result. Sit in front of a mirror that allows you to see your upper body. Be about two to three feet at the most from the mirror.
It helps to get a small orange dot and stick it on your third eye - the point between your eyebrows on the forehead - because you are going to need to gaze (softly) at that point to let your physical eyes get tired so the spiritual eye can see.
Stay there one half hour to 45 minutes but not longer. Breathe as fully (gently) as deeply as possible and, on exhale, direct the breath to the roof of your mouth before you let it all out. This stimulates the pineal gland. As you do this the first time, don't be surprised if you don't like looking at yourself, but just see it through. That phase will go away and especially when you start seeing your light body shining around you.
I got this from a wonderful healer who is from Poland but now works in the U.S. and teaches some students. His name is Mietek Wirkus and he teaches with his wife, Margaret, who was a journalist in Poland. He is mentioned in Hands of Light and Dr. Norman Shealy says (he is the doctor Caroline Myss has worked with) that Mietek is one who can heal cancer.
He teaches bioenergy. Margaret has said that what you realize, with this mirror exercise, is that there is no death.
There is another exercise that helps the third eye to see. A big orange dot on the wall that you gaze at until your physical eyes are tired. By the way, in the mirror, if you see anything you cannot handle, just touch your face and it will go away ... or close your eyes. But mostly try to relax them and let them go out of focus.
You may also see the chakra spinning and it looks just like a galaxy or like that internet photo of the hurricane .. it has a spiral motion ... in the mirror it appears to go to the left as if you were driving and turned the steering wheel to the left. In actuality, these spin clockwise. It is very fun to see it.
Now, one thing you can expect to see at some point is your skull. Don't worry. Just be there. Or, if you get scared, touch your face and start over.
With the orange dot on the wall, the goal is eventually to see only light. I have gotten to the place where I see light around it and in it but not to where I see only light.
The music isn't necessary but that's how I can tell how long I've been there and also it helps move us to the energy bodies.
Thanks for letting me tell it.
Sylvia
The Tibetans call it the double because it is the closest to the physical body. It shines usually silvery white but it can sometimes look black too as you go through different states of teaching your spiritual eye to see.
It is two to four inches from the body. It is the matrix of the physical body. The next light body out is the astral and it is very colorful and radiating and also interpenetrating the etheric and physical. Once you start seeing that on a regular basis you have got beyond me because the first time I saw it I got so excited/agitated that it went away and now I have to work and wait.
Here is what to do:
Sit in a soft light or semi darkened room with some music that is soft ... it can be anything that is peaceful or even emotionally moving ... I've used flutes and I've used Leonard (10 New Songs) with equal good result. Sit in front of a mirror that allows you to see your upper body. Be about two to three feet at the most from the mirror.
It helps to get a small orange dot and stick it on your third eye - the point between your eyebrows on the forehead - because you are going to need to gaze (softly) at that point to let your physical eyes get tired so the spiritual eye can see.
Stay there one half hour to 45 minutes but not longer. Breathe as fully (gently) as deeply as possible and, on exhale, direct the breath to the roof of your mouth before you let it all out. This stimulates the pineal gland. As you do this the first time, don't be surprised if you don't like looking at yourself, but just see it through. That phase will go away and especially when you start seeing your light body shining around you.
I got this from a wonderful healer who is from Poland but now works in the U.S. and teaches some students. His name is Mietek Wirkus and he teaches with his wife, Margaret, who was a journalist in Poland. He is mentioned in Hands of Light and Dr. Norman Shealy says (he is the doctor Caroline Myss has worked with) that Mietek is one who can heal cancer.
He teaches bioenergy. Margaret has said that what you realize, with this mirror exercise, is that there is no death.
There is another exercise that helps the third eye to see. A big orange dot on the wall that you gaze at until your physical eyes are tired. By the way, in the mirror, if you see anything you cannot handle, just touch your face and it will go away ... or close your eyes. But mostly try to relax them and let them go out of focus.
You may also see the chakra spinning and it looks just like a galaxy or like that internet photo of the hurricane .. it has a spiral motion ... in the mirror it appears to go to the left as if you were driving and turned the steering wheel to the left. In actuality, these spin clockwise. It is very fun to see it.
Now, one thing you can expect to see at some point is your skull. Don't worry. Just be there. Or, if you get scared, touch your face and start over.
With the orange dot on the wall, the goal is eventually to see only light. I have gotten to the place where I see light around it and in it but not to where I see only light.
The music isn't necessary but that's how I can tell how long I've been there and also it helps move us to the energy bodies.
Thanks for letting me tell it.
Sylvia
