The Old Men From the Long March

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The Old Men From the Long March

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The Old Men From The Long March
Confucius:

XVIII
Chi K'ang asked Confucius about government.

Kung-tze replied: Government consists in correcting: if you lead by being correct, who will dare be incorrect?

XIX
Chi K'ang sked Confucious about government: "What about killing the wayward for the benefit of the well behaved?"

Kung-Tze answered: Why kill to govern? If you want the good, then people will be good; the proper man acting according to his conscience is wind, the lesser folk acting on conscience, grass; grass with wind above it must bend.
Chairman Mao Tsetung:

"Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun."
1.

the murmur of voices
the old men from the long march
fidgeting with power
in the dark halls
of the People's Congress

the predisposition of the long night
disclosed in an old book
they have long ago forgotten

there is the old manner counter to
reform and an old reform counter
to all manner

humanity

the living impulse

progress

above and beyond the discursive
above and beyond the call

2.

the murmur of voices
the old men from the long march
listen
from the cold dark halls
of the People's Congress
to the distant sound of gunfire

in Tianamen
the solemn face of Mao
stares down
upon the

People's Army crushing
the people

there is always a face
to turn away from

always a choice
made

3.

the murmur of voices
the old men from the long march
stand erect
in the shadow
of their grim epic
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I really appreciate the historical comparisons and sense of time brought through in your poem, Vern. The hallowed halls of history offer us lessons, if only we won't close the book before we learn them. I like your poem very much.
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Oh, Lizzytysh,

You didn't understand this anymore than I did!


Ciao,

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Post by Linda »

"Why kill to govern" reminds me of the Saddam regime everywhere you saw Saddam there were machine guns waving in the air.
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:lol: ~ Do you ever have anything positive to say to anyone, Vesuvius? Anything that's not some kind of a dig or aggressive challenge? Or, how about your own comments based purely on the post itself. Something with substance?
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Vesuvius is HILARIOUS ! :P
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I agree, Vesuvius has me rolling around with laughter, just like when our pet puppy falls over when it tries to have a piddle. :lol:
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Not the section to have cheap jokes...............
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Post by witty_owl »

These old men in the shadows "who so design our fate" are always the ones to make the decisions but never the ones to bravely stand in the firing line with small arms in hand.
I like the lines- re manner & reform. made me re-read several times.

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CIAO LIZZYTYSH,

I am hurt that you do not see I have complimented the poets over and over. You and I have one disagreement only. I have posted 147 times. 140 are compliments to the poets and poetesses. Many of them have said Thank you Vesuvius. I must continue my work of encouragement.

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Ciao Byron,

Piddling puppy. A elegant description. Will you use it in a poem please?

I remember the wonderful poems you wrote when you first joined the forum. Sometimes you were sad. the title of one of your poems was "Walk a mile in your shoes lc?, not bloody likely" I consoled you by writing: "But you are walking a mile in LC's shoes. As a poet." And sometimes you were happy, remember the poem you wrote in the shape of an ice cream cone? But the best poem was "Path of Courtship". It combined your sadness and bitterness over a lousy love life. Beautiful.


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Vesuvius ~ Your numbers baffle me.

Perhaps your compliments are simply obscure.

(1) Your comment to Tom did not appear to me to be a compliment. It appears to have confused at least one other person, as well. (2) Your comment regarding shredding and lethal litter of kittens was equally confusing, and I lost the compliment that lie within that, too.

(3) There's one regarding me not understanding.
(4) One to me re: Elvis is dead, too.
(5) One asking David if he's in love with Margaret
(6) One asking David if he's in love with Leonard
(7) One to me noting an image you wish not to contemplate
(8) One to Everybody declaring "I WON!" re: an alleged capitulation by me that never occurred
(9) Another to Everyone declaring "I WIN!"
(10) One to me re: Tunes & Flowers and your English abilities
(11) One to me re: "poisen" and your declaring I owe you an apology
(12) One to me re: your remark that I took back an apology that I never gave
(13) One to Everybody re: a false claim that I had apologized
(14) One to me that you had to drag said apology out of me
(15) One to me re: wanting an apology re: Miranda
(16) One to me to clear up who's criticizing and who
(17) One to me telling me I sneered at Andrew M. re: Mythologies & Oranges
(18) One to me with message that "now you stand corrected" re: my alleged sarcastic remark re: Andrew
(19) One to me asking "Am I not common?"
(20) One to me telling me I was being negative to Andrew
(21) One to Lightning re: poverty & money
(22) One to someone [Lightning, I believe] re: poverty and what they have done
(23) One to Everyone re: claims of why..........
(24) One to KRETK re: glad to know what KRTEK means
(25) One to Elazar re: how long has he lived in Minnesota
(26) One to someone suggesting he [plagiarized?] with, "I know a Sartre line when I see one."

Well, Vesuvius, I don't have time to continue perusing your 147 posts. However, certainly there's enough here to see that you are in no way "hurt" by anything I've said of late.

Of the 140 you claim to be "compliments to the poets and poetesses" [much less positive reenforcement of poets] ~ some obviously-unneeded [see Pete's attempt for us to create a poem, and my previous, valid assertions that I am not a poet and I do not write poetry] clarification: I am not a poet [care you take a count of the ones directed at me, none of which were positive?], and Lightning has never posted a poem here. Of those directed at poets, their supportive nature remains questionable, absent an explanation by you of just what in the heck you did mean by them.

Had I more time and inclination, I would go further back and perhaps find that the "7" more accurately related to ones of reenforcement, "compliments to the poets and poetesses." What I'm more curious about is where in the world did you come up with these numbers: 147 is easy to figure, but the 140 [plus the 140/7 split] will forever remain in the smog.
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Ciao Lizzytysh,

I am baffled by my numbers too.

Please forgive. I am not good at math. I never had the opportunity to take numerology in school.

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Ciao Lizzytysh,

I hasten back to the message board to thank you for listing some of my replies. Reading them I feel proud and humble at the same time.

Veni, Vedi, Veci


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Post by lizzytysh »

No problem, V, of course I won't always have that much time available ~

From whence you get your pride and humility is a note of interest, at the same level as generated by your mathematics; but we all have our own value systems.

As far as numerology goes, it's not really necessary to take that route. Just getting back to the 3 R's will do ~ Reading, WRiting, and ARithmetic, focusing on words and their meanings with the former; and addition and subtraction with the latter. A disclaimer regarding accuracy might be in order the next time you WRite something so far afield :shock: .
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