LC a vegetarian?
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Jonnie Falafel
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LC a vegetarian?
On http://www.happycow.org LC is listed as a 'famous vegetarian'... this isn't so, is it?
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Tchocolatl
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This is not the first time I see his name on a vege celebrities list. I think he is on every vegetarian celebrities list. I believe he is - or was, at some point. But it could be all gossips & cie. At least we know for sure about half of the affirmation : he is famous. 
So the 50% left of the question is still pending.
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So the 50% left of the question is still pending.
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From interviews with the Dali Lama he says that he is a part time vegetarian. The Dali Lama eats vegeterian one day then meat the next because of a liver problem he has. He also said in a book that it is OK for a Buddhist to eat meat as long as it was not raised and killed specifically for your consumption.
http://www.urbandharma.org/udharma3/vegi.htmlAre all Buddhists vegetarians?
No. The First Precept admonishes us to refrain from killing, but meat eating is not regarded as an instance of killing, and it is not forbidden in the scriptures. (We are speaking here mainly of the Pali scriptures. Some of the Mahayana scriptures, notably the Lankavatara Sutra, take a strong position in favor of vegetarianism. Also see Note below)
As recorded in the Pali scriptures, the Buddha did not prohibit consumption of meat, even by monks. In fact, he explicitly rejected a suggestion from Devadatta to do so. In modern Theravada societies, a bhikkhu who adheres to vegetarianism to impress others with his superior spirituality may be committing an infringement of the monastic rules.
On the other hand, the Buddha categorically prohibited consumption of the flesh of any animal that was "seen, heard or suspected" to have been killed specifically for the benefit of monks (Jivaka Sutta, Majjhima Nikaya 55). This rule technically applies only to monastics, but it can be used as a reasonable guide by devout lay people.
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Tchocolatl
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This is not an evidence Simon, when you have a glance at the Moishes Steak House's menu, you realize that there is plenty for vege to eat :Simon wrote:He is regularly seen at a famous steak place in Montreal.
Appetizers
SHRIMP COCKTAIL
SMOKED SALMON
FRESH MARINATED SALMON
CHOPPED LIVER
EGGPLANT
MARINATED HERRING IN CREAM SAUCE
MARINATED RED PEPPER
Salads
VINE-RIPENED TOMATO AND GOAT CHEESE
GRILLED MUSHROOM SALAD
CAESAR SALAD
ASIAN SESAME SALAD
CHEF SALAD
Charcoal Broiling
GRILLED CHICKEN AND SHRIMP
CHICKEN TERIYAKI
MOISHES SPECIAL CHICKEN
SWEETBREADS
All charcoal broilings are accompanied by Moishes famous
Monte Carlo potato or fresh-cut french fries
SALMON STEAK
SWORDFISH
SESAME TUNA WITH ORIENTAL SAUCE
ARCTIC CHAR
GRILLED SHRIMPS
All charcoal broilings are accompanied by Moishes famous
Monte Carlo potato or fresh-cut french fries
Side orders
VERENIKAS (BOILED OR FRIED)
POTATO LATKAS
MOISHES FRENCH FRIED ONIONS
KARNATZLECH
Fresh Vegetables
GRILLED OYSTER MUSHROOMS
GRILLED RED PEPPER
ASPARAGUS (GRILLED OR STEAMED)
GRILLED VEGETABLE PLATTER
SPINACH
BROCCOLI
SAUTEED MUSHROOMS
Sauces
PEPPER
MUSHROOM (OYSTER AND SHITAKE)
ORIENTAL
PLEASE NO CIGARS OR PIPES
And there is a full menu of dessert.
I know.
I may have just copy the link. This is because I like food.
Ey!
So.
The question is still pending.
Tri-Me, many non Buddhists are strict vegetarians for health reasons as well. Besides, like we discussed in another thread, the food chain... is a hard reality which we can not by passed yet. As carrots have their anguish of death as well as the bull (beef) on another scale : Cruel word if we see this only on this angle. If we are seing death as an important part of the life, it takes another sense, though I'm not able to eat veal and lamb - I would puke just to think of the cute little fellow that was.... Aarrgh! I'll take the Salmon steak, sir, please.
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Of course 
But this decision thing has its limit. I can decide that I'll fly like a bird and jump from the window right in the air. It may works for a few seconds or more (it depens of how high is the window). But not much.
I understand what you mean, but scientists found that even vegetation reacts when there is something dangerous around them, like, let say fire. So eat vege does not solve the problem of being a predator in the food chain. (moreover not to kill any living being to be in accordance with buddhism doctrine).
We are suppose to be able to take our needed energy directly from the Universes (instead of taking it after it has passed from an organism to another in the chain until we can be able to transform it with the appropriate organs developped in the course of evolution ) according to some yoga technic. They say we have other organs that can do the job as well, even better, in term of capturing and transforming the needed energy.
But yoga way of life is not really adjusted to our Western countries.
Maybe we are all like the prisoners of Plato's cavern, we certainly are, but what to do?
I understand that you don't want to eat products of slauthering, though. Very very well.
But this decision thing has its limit. I can decide that I'll fly like a bird and jump from the window right in the air. It may works for a few seconds or more (it depens of how high is the window). But not much.
I understand what you mean, but scientists found that even vegetation reacts when there is something dangerous around them, like, let say fire. So eat vege does not solve the problem of being a predator in the food chain. (moreover not to kill any living being to be in accordance with buddhism doctrine).
We are suppose to be able to take our needed energy directly from the Universes (instead of taking it after it has passed from an organism to another in the chain until we can be able to transform it with the appropriate organs developped in the course of evolution ) according to some yoga technic. They say we have other organs that can do the job as well, even better, in term of capturing and transforming the needed energy.
But yoga way of life is not really adjusted to our Western countries.
Maybe we are all like the prisoners of Plato's cavern, we certainly are, but what to do?
I understand that you don't want to eat products of slauthering, though. Very very well.
No the sky did not fall, but the planet benefitted http://www.fortunecity.com/greenfield/s ... enviro.htmI simply decided not to partake of the products of slaughter and the sky didn't fall.
Oh ya veal production is so cruel, lamb is tasty but soo cute. Sheep look like four legged ballet dancersI'm not able to eat veal and lamb
Cows are laid back and sweet, pigs are smart and fun, birds are always smiling. Chickens freak me out but they can't go near them, but they are smiling. There is a great documentary called Animals it is worth seeing if you get a chance. The poster for the film is a cute piglet who is overlooking the meat in a supermarket.
Jason Young's "Animals." The film document's Young's adventure in taking up animal husbandry on an abandoned Nova Scotia farm and explores what it takes to raise one's own meat, both physically and mentally.
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Tchocolatl
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Yes. This is the common vege stuff.
They are forgetting to talk about the void of healthy elements in the crops due to the bad methods of cultivating.
And they are forgetting to talk about the genetic modifications that are occuring right now without any rules, and any studies of the consequences on the long term. Great. Really great.
For the beef, they are slauthering the Rain Forest in order to make fields for the beef-to-be-slauthered-at-its-turn and doing this, is - oh! my G-d - destructive in so many ways. It is unbearable to think about it.
We are prisoners of our own western culture that we have spread all over the world. Not only consciously, but moreover unconscioulsy, which is the more difficult part to take care of.
There is so many solutions. So many.
For example.
We could eat meat, in a fewer proportion, maybe 3 times a month, instead of 3 times a day (and more it is not so good, anyway to eat such an amount of meat. Too much, too much) and only from animal dead of its natural death, after having giving milk and cheese and lived a natural life, without antibiotic and medication.
We eat too much, in general, anyway, this is truly disgusting, 'cause the organism is poisoned of being too much fed, and we are sick just because of this. Yark. Pigs are cute but not as a metaphor.
. I am not talkin of obesity, which is a feeding problem as well, but another one (and I don't think that fat people are disguting, by the way), I am talking of the inside. The organs clogged up in all this excess of food. That is what is disgusting. And for sure they "broke", being clogged up like this. Yark.
I like food, yes, and I like to eat as well, but not like we use to do in western culture. I think this is a real non sense. Too much! Too much!!!
The rest of the world is dying of having nothing to eat.
Another unbearable thing to talk about. I understand well why few people care. Only the ones that can stand the unbearable thoughts, at least, for some times.
JF, I was thinking of this, and maybe to stop eating slauthered "upper" organisms in the chain would help to get out the cave and see the real world. (A kind of doing-the-road-in-reverse-thing.) Who knows. I may dream. Dreams are coming true.
They are forgetting to talk about the void of healthy elements in the crops due to the bad methods of cultivating.
And they are forgetting to talk about the genetic modifications that are occuring right now without any rules, and any studies of the consequences on the long term. Great. Really great.
For the beef, they are slauthering the Rain Forest in order to make fields for the beef-to-be-slauthered-at-its-turn and doing this, is - oh! my G-d - destructive in so many ways. It is unbearable to think about it.
We are prisoners of our own western culture that we have spread all over the world. Not only consciously, but moreover unconscioulsy, which is the more difficult part to take care of.
There is so many solutions. So many.
For example.
We could eat meat, in a fewer proportion, maybe 3 times a month, instead of 3 times a day (and more it is not so good, anyway to eat such an amount of meat. Too much, too much) and only from animal dead of its natural death, after having giving milk and cheese and lived a natural life, without antibiotic and medication.
We eat too much, in general, anyway, this is truly disgusting, 'cause the organism is poisoned of being too much fed, and we are sick just because of this. Yark. Pigs are cute but not as a metaphor.
. I am not talkin of obesity, which is a feeding problem as well, but another one (and I don't think that fat people are disguting, by the way), I am talking of the inside. The organs clogged up in all this excess of food. That is what is disgusting. And for sure they "broke", being clogged up like this. Yark.I like food, yes, and I like to eat as well, but not like we use to do in western culture. I think this is a real non sense. Too much! Too much!!!
The rest of the world is dying of having nothing to eat.
Another unbearable thing to talk about. I understand well why few people care. Only the ones that can stand the unbearable thoughts, at least, for some times.
JF, I was thinking of this, and maybe to stop eating slauthered "upper" organisms in the chain would help to get out the cave and see the real world. (A kind of doing-the-road-in-reverse-thing.) Who knows. I may dream. Dreams are coming true.
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Cohen's vegetarianism has (or had) much more to do
with his attitude about being a "Cohen" than to do
with anything else.
than they were, say, in the first millennium bc.
But, just as certain, there is still a great deal of psychological pressure
on Cohanim sons to conform, to some measure, to tradition
- to know exactly "who they are":
(- and therefore with vegetarianism)
is obvious to any one who has read Leviticus.
There are two sides to being a Cohen.
The first has to do with their legendary hereditary eloquence:
to perform ritual slaughter - blood "sacrifice" - for the atonement
of the people.
And this is in fact emblematic.
Not to be found in just a few obscure and subtle biblical verses.
It is in fact the entire blatant content of the book of Leviticus
(-et al.)
To show exactly how blatant it is - and how certain it is
that this is what Leonard's vegetarianism is about,
- for those who have forgotten, - and/or suppressed it,
- and who can't be trusted to take the trouble to review it themselves,
- I think it's necessary to quote at least the first chapter of Leviticus.
( This should also be sufficient, since the rest of the book
sounds much the same,- although there are more fascinating
details later on in it)
.
Cohen's vegetarianism has (or had) much more to do
with his attitude about being a "Cohen" than to do
with anything else.
The "duties and prerogatives" of a "Cohen" are definitely more "honorific" todayCo·hen, n., pl. Co·ha·nim
a member of the Jewish priestly class,
descended from Aaron, having sacrificial,
ministerial, and other sacred functions
from Aaronic times to about the 1st century A.D.
and now having essentially honorific religious duties
and prerogatives. Also, Kohen.
than they were, say, in the first millennium bc.
But, just as certain, there is still a great deal of psychological pressure
on Cohanim sons to conform, to some measure, to tradition
- to know exactly "who they are":
What being a "Cohen" has to do with "slaughering a lamb"The Butcher
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I came upon a butcher,
He was slaughtering a lamb,
I accused him there
With his tortured lamb.
He said, "Listen to me, child,
I am what I am
And you,
You are my only son."
...
I saw some flowers growing up
Where that lamb fell down;
Was I supposed to praise my Lord,
Make some kind of joyful sound?
He said, "Listen, listen to me now,
I go round and round
And you,
You are my only child
...
Stories of the Street
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O come with me my little one,
We will find that farm
And grow us grass and apples there
And keep all the animals warm.
And if by chance I wake at night
And I ask you who I am,
O take me to the slaughterhouse,
I will wait there with the lamb.
...
(- and therefore with vegetarianism)
is obvious to any one who has read Leviticus.
There are two sides to being a Cohen.
The first has to do with their legendary hereditary eloquence:
But the other side of being a Cohen has to do with the obligationExodus, Chapter 4,
10:
And Moses said unto the LORD,
O my LORD, I am not eloquent,
neither heretofore, nor since thou hast spoken unto thy servant:
but I am slow of speech, and of a slow tongue.
14:
And the anger of the LORD was kindled against Moses,
and he said, Is not Aaron the Levite thy brother?
I know that he can speak well. And also, behold,
he cometh forth to meet thee: and when he seeth thee,
he will be glad in his heart.
15:
And thou shalt speak unto him, and put words in his mouth:
and I will be with thy mouth, and with his mouth,
and will teach you what ye shall do.
16:
And he shall be thy spokesman unto the people:
and he shall be, even he shall be to thee instead of a mouth,
and thou shalt be to him instead of God.
to perform ritual slaughter - blood "sacrifice" - for the atonement
of the people.
And this is in fact emblematic.
Not to be found in just a few obscure and subtle biblical verses.
It is in fact the entire blatant content of the book of Leviticus
(-et al.)
To show exactly how blatant it is - and how certain it is
that this is what Leonard's vegetarianism is about,
- for those who have forgotten, - and/or suppressed it,
- and who can't be trusted to take the trouble to review it themselves,
- I think it's necessary to quote at least the first chapter of Leviticus.
( This should also be sufficient, since the rest of the book
sounds much the same,- although there are more fascinating
details later on in it)
Leviticus, Chapter 1,
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1
And the LORD called unto Moses, and spake unto him
out of the tabernacle of the congregation, saying,
2
Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them,
If any man of you bring an offering unto the LORD,
ye shall bring your offering of the cattle, even
of the herd, and of the flock.
3
If his offering be a burnt sacrifice of the herd,
let him offer a male without blemish: he shall offer
it of his own voluntary will at the door of the tabernacle
of the congregation before the LORD.
4
And he shall put his hand upon the head of the burnt offering;
and it shall be accepted for him to make atonement for him.
5
And he shall kill the bullock before the LORD:
and the priests, Aaron's sons, shall bring the blood,
and sprinkle the blood round about upon the altar
that is by the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.
6
And he shall flay the burnt offering, and cut it into his
pieces.
7
And the sons of Aaron the priest shall put fire
upon the altar, and lay the wood in order upon the fire:
8
And the priests, Aaron's sons, shall lay the parts, the head,
and the fat, in order upon the wood that is on the fire which
is upon the altar:
9
But his inwards and his legs shall he wash in water: and the
priest shall burn all on the altar, to be a burnt sacrifice,
an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the LORD.
10
And if his offering be of the flocks, namely, of the sheep, or
of the goats, for a burnt sacrifice; he shall bring it a male
without blemish.
11
And he shall kill it on the side of the altar northward before
the LORD: and the priests, Aaron's sons, shall sprinkle his
blood round about upon the altar.
12
And he shall cut it into his pieces, with his head and his
fat: and the priest shall lay them in order on the wood that
is on the fire which is upon the altar:
13
But he shall wash the inwards and the legs with water: and the
priest shall bring it all, and burn it upon the altar: it is a
burnt sacrifice, an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour
unto the LORD.
14
And if the burnt sacrifice for his offering to the LORD be of
fowls, then he shall bring his offering of turtledoves, or of
young pigeons.
15
And the priest shall bring it unto the altar, and wring off
his head, and burn it on the altar; and the blood thereof
shall be wrung out at the side of the altar:
16
And he shall pluck away his crop with his feathers, and cast
it beside the altar on the east part, by the place of the
ashes:
17
And he shall cleave it with the wings thereof, but shall not
divide it asunder: and the priest shall burn it upon the
altar, upon the wood that is upon the fire: it is a burnt
sacrifice, an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto
the LORD.
.
You are right Tchocolatl glad to read this. I eat too much. Wish I could tame the hungry ghost. I just learnt about the hungry ghost this winter. The hungry ghost is the bane of my existence. I gave up smoking after Xmas. Only had a few one night because I was having drinks and was out with smokers....I enjoy a cigarette, but don't like lung disease etc. Golad to have that monkey off my back.
Did you try to make the sun patties???
They are excellent, you can cut the recipe in half.
SUN BURGERS errr Patties errr THINGIES
this is a huge batch
3 1/2 c Water
1/3 c Soy Sauce
1/2 c sunflower seeds
1 1/2 c Carrot Pulp from juicing
1/2 c brown rice (cooked)
1/2 c chopped coriander
30 ml coriander seed (toast and grind)
40 ml Mexican Chili (this chili has coriander in it)
Combine ingredints. Bring to a slow boil. Then add slowly
6c Quick Oats
3c Regular Oats
Cook on medium heat 10-15 min stirring constantly. Remove from heat, allow to cool 30 min or until it is cool enough to handle. Grease up your hands and form into pattites or balls. Bake on an oiled sheet 30 min at 350 degrees farenheight (177C?).
Patties can be re-heated in the toaster. Will store in the freezer for a long time. Nummy, I love coriander I think customers became addicted to them.
http://meditationproject.com/ghosts.htmThe wretched peta is often pictured as having a distended belly and tiny mouth, a graphic representation of insatiable hunger.
Did you try to make the sun patties???
They are excellent, you can cut the recipe in half.
SUN BURGERS errr Patties errr THINGIES
this is a huge batch
3 1/2 c Water
1/3 c Soy Sauce
1/2 c sunflower seeds
1 1/2 c Carrot Pulp from juicing
1/2 c brown rice (cooked)
1/2 c chopped coriander
30 ml coriander seed (toast and grind)
40 ml Mexican Chili (this chili has coriander in it)
Combine ingredints. Bring to a slow boil. Then add slowly
6c Quick Oats
3c Regular Oats
Cook on medium heat 10-15 min stirring constantly. Remove from heat, allow to cool 30 min or until it is cool enough to handle. Grease up your hands and form into pattites or balls. Bake on an oiled sheet 30 min at 350 degrees farenheight (177C?).
Patties can be re-heated in the toaster. Will store in the freezer for a long time. Nummy, I love coriander I think customers became addicted to them.
Cheers & DLight
Tri-me (tree-mite) Sheldrön
"Doorhinge rhymes with orange" Leonard Cohen
Tri-me (tree-mite) Sheldrön
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in an article about lc which was in my old book containing "flowers for hitler" and his two works of prose, the story of lc's vegetarianism was described like this: "some years ago, he was a very srict vegetarian. today, he only eats flesh. silent animals accuse the humans. radish cries when it is pulled out of the earth. the probem is endless." the same thoughts were in some of his works, i think it was beautiful losers.
i think what to eat is everybody's own decision. definitely we eat to much and too heavy. but the himan body is made to live from veggies and meat. pregnant women and children have to eat some meat, otherwise they risk illness and developmental abnormalities (a healthy adult should normally be able to tolerate the lack of some vitamins)
i think it is okay to slaughter an animal if it is done skilled and fast. though i don't want to discriminate, i say the slaughter of "halal" or "kosher" animals is cruel. in western countries, law says an animal has to be unconscious (by shooting, gas, electricity) before killing it by bleeding. no religion can justifiy kiling an animal which is still awake.
a last thought, there are some places on earth, steppe, deserts, where man can not life from agriculture. already long time ago, people could live there because the animals could eat this hard, poor grass, and man could then live from the animals. and as today more and more people live on earth and everybody wants as much space of his own as possible, it might get neccessary in an even bigger extent to use such places.
i think what to eat is everybody's own decision. definitely we eat to much and too heavy. but the himan body is made to live from veggies and meat. pregnant women and children have to eat some meat, otherwise they risk illness and developmental abnormalities (a healthy adult should normally be able to tolerate the lack of some vitamins)
i think it is okay to slaughter an animal if it is done skilled and fast. though i don't want to discriminate, i say the slaughter of "halal" or "kosher" animals is cruel. in western countries, law says an animal has to be unconscious (by shooting, gas, electricity) before killing it by bleeding. no religion can justifiy kiling an animal which is still awake.
a last thought, there are some places on earth, steppe, deserts, where man can not life from agriculture. already long time ago, people could live there because the animals could eat this hard, poor grass, and man could then live from the animals. and as today more and more people live on earth and everybody wants as much space of his own as possible, it might get neccessary in an even bigger extent to use such places.
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I mean you no disrespect, but I have to disagree with your comment.
It is possible with for a woman to remain vegetarian through her pregnancy as long as she eats properly before and during the, diet is important to all women who may and want to become pregnant. One of the biggest deficiencies is folic acid which is found in leafy greens, chick peas and the famous broccoli to name a few sources. I have met very tall and healthy children who have never eaten meat. There is problem of not understanding complete proteins and if a person is a strict vegan the possibility of B12 deficiencies.
Women are so nervous during pregnancy, especially their first, it is unnecessary to add to the tension by making them feel that it is necessary to make a drastic change to their diet. Imagine telling a meat eating woman to become a vegetarian? I work with naturopathic doctors who are members of the Canadian Naturopathic Association; they are a valuable source of information especially on nutrition. I recommend consulting a naturopathic doctor to pregnant women who are concerned about diet; they have vast knowledge on the subject.
It is possible with for a woman to remain vegetarian through her pregnancy as long as she eats properly before and during the, diet is important to all women who may and want to become pregnant. One of the biggest deficiencies is folic acid which is found in leafy greens, chick peas and the famous broccoli to name a few sources. I have met very tall and healthy children who have never eaten meat. There is problem of not understanding complete proteins and if a person is a strict vegan the possibility of B12 deficiencies.
Women are so nervous during pregnancy, especially their first, it is unnecessary to add to the tension by making them feel that it is necessary to make a drastic change to their diet. Imagine telling a meat eating woman to become a vegetarian? I work with naturopathic doctors who are members of the Canadian Naturopathic Association; they are a valuable source of information especially on nutrition. I recommend consulting a naturopathic doctor to pregnant women who are concerned about diet; they have vast knowledge on the subject.
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"Doorhinge rhymes with orange" Leonard Cohen
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hello tri-me!
thanks for your comment! i hope you don't mind if i still add some comments, but this subject is very interesting to discuss and i found your text very informative.
i do know that these certain b vitamins and others can be found in only-vegetarian food as well; though they're not there in such amounts that one gets enough by eating "common" amounts of it. some vegetarians take nutritional supplements to help this; i don't think it's a good idea to replace meat by pills. perhaps it is possible to figure out a vegetarian diet by calculating all the contents, but it needs a lot of knowledge that you have, but others don't. so it is safer to warn and advice not to live completely vegetarian during pregnancy.
animals that are pure herbivores always have some system of bacterias which help digest the hard fibers and build up "biological mass" containing all those substances that aren't in their food: cattle have their rumen for this and horses, for example, have those bacterias in the caecum (sorry, no idea about the english word!)
thanks for your comment! i hope you don't mind if i still add some comments, but this subject is very interesting to discuss and i found your text very informative.
i do know that these certain b vitamins and others can be found in only-vegetarian food as well; though they're not there in such amounts that one gets enough by eating "common" amounts of it. some vegetarians take nutritional supplements to help this; i don't think it's a good idea to replace meat by pills. perhaps it is possible to figure out a vegetarian diet by calculating all the contents, but it needs a lot of knowledge that you have, but others don't. so it is safer to warn and advice not to live completely vegetarian during pregnancy.
animals that are pure herbivores always have some system of bacterias which help digest the hard fibers and build up "biological mass" containing all those substances that aren't in their food: cattle have their rumen for this and horses, for example, have those bacterias in the caecum (sorry, no idea about the english word!)
*********** beauté est partout**********
Tchocolatl
You're right about Moishe's menu. The place is just a few blocks from his house. I'd say he likes to meet there with friends for old times sake.
Annaedith
I have to agree with Tri-Me. My kids were all born of a strickly vegeterian mother. Vegeterian women tend to be much more aware of food balance than most non vegetarian women. So usually its no problem.
Apparently vegetarian women give birth to more girls than boys. I'm the father of 3 girls.
Simon
You're right about Moishe's menu. The place is just a few blocks from his house. I'd say he likes to meet there with friends for old times sake.
Annaedith
I have to agree with Tri-Me. My kids were all born of a strickly vegeterian mother. Vegeterian women tend to be much more aware of food balance than most non vegetarian women. So usually its no problem.
Apparently vegetarian women give birth to more girls than boys. I'm the father of 3 girls.
Simon