A Greek Resurrection

Joe Kaczmarek · Post by **Joe Kaczmarek** » Thu Jun 26, 2003 7:59 pm

Though we'd be ugly
no one could we hurt.
If I were a weed and
you were some dirt.

Among your squash
and your cucumbers,
Lilacs and Roses that
sell for high numbers.
For a whole season
we would be bound,
if I were a dandelion
and you were the ground.

I had a sweet vision
where angels do sing.
Valleys, green pastures.
The first fruit of Spring
in a garden of pleasure.
The serpent is royal
hissing with venom.
Inducing his coil,
Adam and Eve
could not remain loyal.
Where I am a flower
and you are the soil.

lizzytysh · Post by **lizzytysh** » Thu Jun 26, 2003 10:13 pm

Welcome to the Forum, Joe. I'm intrigued by the title of your poem. Is it because you're Greek, or is there a symbology to it that I'm unaware of? Or through her do you find yourself [the Greek] resurrected, as a flower pushes up through the soil? That's a very interesting metaphor to use for lovers. I notice that you progress from weed and dirt, to flower and soil. It appears that you consider yourself and your [potential?] lover an irresistable combination. A most unique way to say this. Your likening yourselves to flowers, spring, and love in this way ~ though not in style ~ reminds me of Rumi's poetry. Are you familiar with him?

~ Elizabeth

P.S. John the Shorts ~ Is this posting of Joe's cheerful enough?

Joe Kaczmarek · Post by **Joe Kaczmarek** » Thu Jun 26, 2003 10:37 pm

Hi Elizabeth,
Thank you for your warm welcome. Its nice to be rubbing virtual elbows with other Cohen fans.

I like what you said about the flower pushing through the dirt as a resurrection, I think that sentiment is in there somewhere.
There is some symbology you aren't aware of, but I don't want to
take anything away from your own interpretation.
At the end of the day, its only a name.

Also, I think dandelions are cool and shouldn't be thrown
into the weed category.
I mean, they turn into wishes, remember?
What kind of weed can do that?

I'm familiar with some of Rumi's poetry.
Who else do you read?

Cheers,
Joseph

lizzytysh · Post by **lizzytysh** » Thu Jun 26, 2003 11:30 pm

Hi Joe ~ Somewhere in these sections and threads, I listed some of my reading. I'll try to find it and refer you there. I'm by no means in the "well-read" category, so the likelihood of our sharing much more in common with that is pretty minimal, except for Leonard, of course. However, I'm delighted that you know Rumi's work

.

Au contraire on the taking away from my interpretation.....it's only my interpretation. Yours would only add to it....particularly with your being the writer

.

I had considered commenting on the dandelions, too, and now wish I had. I grew up with them in Michigan, held them beneath my and others' chins to determine whether we liked butter [I could've answered that without a dandelion

]. I've gathered many a dandelion bouquet, and like the herbalists' point of view that a weed is merely a flower/plant, growing in [what someone considers to be] the wrong place. In fact, dandelion greens are highly nutritious and I now pay for them at the health food store. At some point, time allowing, I'll be getting some seeds for planting on my own property, as they don't grow wild in Florida lawns like they did in Michigan. I don't recall the wishes aspect of dandelions, but they can surely hold up to it

.

~ Elizabeth

lizzytysh · Post by **lizzytysh** » Fri Jun 27, 2003 6:22 am

Hi Joe ~

Thought of you earlier this evening. Had no choice, really

. Checking out at the health food store, the magazine that I noticed first in the rack was "Backwoods Home Magazine / practical ideas for self-reliant living" ~ the backdrop photo on the cover is field full of dandelions, and the first in the list of what's inside is "Making dandelions palatable." I bought the magazine, if for no other reason, on principle

.

Theme of the day: dandelions

.

As a matter of fact, a friend of mine and I were talking on the phone Sunday night.....and she mentioned dandelions, and we talked about them. I'll be visiting her this summer. She'll mow her lawn, and I'll eat it

. Wonder if a dandelion's about to come into my life

~ appears to be a weed, but is really an herb and a flower. Hmmmm.........

~ Lizzytysh

Joe Kaczmarek · Post by **Joe Kaczmarek** » Fri Jun 27, 2003 5:05 pm

Dear Lizzy,

First off, Happy Anniversary.

Do you like butter?
I thought the girls rubbed dandelions
on their chins to find out if
they are boy crazy.

I might have it all wrong, but remember the fuzzy white
flowers that you would make a wish on
and then blow on them until
the fuzz flew off?

I'm 98% sure these are dandelions.

I think thats how they spread their seed.

I'm not well read either.
I read mostly books.

Until later,
Joe

lizzytysh · Post by **lizzytysh** » Fri Jun 27, 2003 8:42 pm

Oh, yes, you're right, Joe! I had forgotten about the dandelions once they had "gone to seed" and had become fluffy white. Are you kidding? I love butter! The boy crazy thing may have been one of the dandelion-assessment tools I had forgotten. Wouldn't be surprized. I remember the beautiful yellow glow beneath the chin, in any case. Oh, by the way, just in case [this being the Internet and all], did not mean to suggest that you might be that dandelion

. Gotta be careful how things get taken.

~ Lizzytysh

Joe Kaczmarek · Post by **Joe Kaczmarek** » Fri Jun 27, 2003 9:04 pm

I'm going to bet you love buttered noodles-
Without any other sauce.
Throw on some of your
palatable healthy dandy greens.
Now, that would be a meal.

Are you trying to suggest that I might not be that dandelion?

Byron · Post by **Byron** » Fri Jun 27, 2003 9:11 pm

Joe, send her a muffin and she'll follow you anywhere

Don't ask, it's a long running wacky thread. Well worth a trawl through the years' postings. We're all after muffins, but dandelions make for a pleasing garnish.

lizzytysh · Post by **lizzytysh** » Fri Jun 27, 2003 10:45 pm

Good call, Joe. I love 'em. Something about the subtle richness of flavour. You're right, too.....what a meal! I dare not try to suggest anything

.

Byron ~ I wasn't one of the muffin followers. If he goes with that, he'll perhaps have Jo and Paula.....or maybe even you.....in tow. As for me, I'm holding out for the buttered noodles and palatable dandelion greens

.

lizzytysh · Post by **lizzytysh** » Wed Jul 02, 2003 6:11 am

Hi Joe ~

Yes, it is a murder of crows. I don't think anyone ever answered you on this. It came up before you ever got here, as one of the first terms for groups of things. It's a wonderful thread, if you can find it, or someone can point you to it.

Thank you for my Anniversary Wish. It didn't register until later what you had meant! You'd have thought I might have gotten it, with other people talking about their one-year anniversaries here, but I was focusing on the rest of your post. Thanks

.

~ Elizabeth

Joe Kaczmarek · Post by **Joe Kaczmarek** » Wed Jul 02, 2003 7:07 pm

Hi Elizabeth,
thanks for getting back to me about the murdering crows.
Why do you think they call it a murder?
Wouldn't it be strange to travel in such a pack?
Dark, dark birds.

I had buttered noodles yesterday for lunch.
Mmm... Mmm..... Good.
Joseph

lizzytysh · Post by **lizzytysh** » Wed Jul 02, 2003 7:56 pm

You dark, dark bird you!

One of the literary types can better explain the origin of a murder of crows

. I think I'd prefer being a raven, myself.

Joe Kaczmarek · Post by **Joe Kaczmarek** » Wed Jul 02, 2003 8:22 pm

My, my...I think a raven is a mysterious, dark bird; yes, you are.

Check this out:

http://pub122.ezboard.com/fwordoriginso ... =300.topic

Yosef

lizzytysh · Post by **lizzytysh** » Wed Jul 02, 2003 9:15 pm

Hey Yosef! [I like that!]

What fun is that link! I read about 3/4 down the page, but have to do something now.......good humour going on there along with the learning. Fun! Thanks. Mysterious, eh? I like that, too

!

~ Lizzytysh

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