Does Lizzytish have a JOB?

Pete · Post by **Pete** » Wed Jun 18, 2003 11:06 pm

There are many who only post under one name and see the forum as a medium to read and to speak without the need for varying disguises.
The number of viewings per thread far exceeds the number of contributors. There are many out there who come to the forum to read the threads. I visit other message boards for a read without the need to contribute.. this happens to be the one that I feel more a part of.
The majority of the threads are a delight to read.. I was pm'd a while back by a forum member, who rarely posts, who expressed a similar appreciation.
Does it matter who posts what, when one can read a high level of dialogue, differences of opinions, prompts for discussion, humour and camaraderie? I say it doesn't.
Does it matter if the poetry is poor?. I say it doesn't. Some of the best threads have developed from the posting of a poem.
Does it matter if many do not submit posts? I say it doesn't. There is no qualifying minimum of posts.
Does it matter if someone posts more than others? I say it doesn't. I don't remember signing anything before I joined to say that I must read everyone's posts. There are a number of threads I don't follow because I am selective and I still find plenty to read and inform.
Does it matter if some posts direct hate at individuals? I say it does, and to display that hate in public is something I find difficult to comprehend.
Some people here have conjured images and impressions of others that have grown out of all proportion... just words on screens which would be totally different to the words used in real life.

Bullying in it's verbal form is very destructive and it is manifesting itself here in different ways.

I've said my bit and will no doubt be challenged on some aspects.. that doesn't matter.. it's just what I'm thinking at the moment.

I think I'll return to my recording now for some solace
Regards
Pete

Paula · Post by **Paula** » Thu Jun 19, 2003 12:28 am

I am going to place myself into self imposed exile from this forum. I find it quite incredible the amount of slagging off that is coming from a selected few righteous people who cannot accept that others have a point of view.

You are alienating people on the pretext that because they disagree with you they are vermin.

I have never heard so much clap trap. Because it suits your argument you are happy to thrown as much mud as you can at people like Partisan. It IS possible that Partisan did not write the original post. It IS also possible that some people agree with him. It is NOT written in stone that he is posting under different names.

Why don't you take a long hard look at yourselves and stop being a mutual admiration society. It is soooooooooooooo BORING. And if I sound agressive and pissed off it is because I am. I am obviously not pure enough in thought for you. But boy am I glad I am not as bigoted as some of you obviously are!!!!!!!

Moonlight · Post by **Moonlight** » Thu Jun 19, 2003 1:16 am

Amen. It's the mutual admiration society that is destroying this board! It is boring to read over and over how wonderful the select few are. How wonderful their posts are. If anyone dares exhibit a sense of humor they are trashed as being mean. I love Vesuvius and most of the time Partisan. I even like the Poetry Cop. Stop taking yourselves so seriously. And while you are at it, stop taking Leonard so seriously.

George.Wright · Post by **George.Wright** » Thu Jun 19, 2003 1:49 am

OK, Paula
it's all right for Partisan to slag others with immunity
and to ridicule people for posting
Catch yourself ON
You are being very one sided along with Moonlight.
You should both examine your own viewpoints
Georges

Linda · Post by **Linda** » Thu Jun 19, 2003 2:27 am

Moonlight and Paula you have summed it up nicely, I totally agree.

Anne · Post by **Anne** » Thu Jun 19, 2003 6:28 am

Not to become a member of the alternate mutual admiration society, but I agree with Moonlight, Paula, Linda, Partisan, etc.

It would be wonderful to have here a greater diversity of viewpoints and opinions. The uniformity, as with the constant need for and expression of reassurance, is tiresome to read. I think an ideal forum would contain more than one voice and be more than several voices singing one repeated song.

Jo · Post by Jo » Thu Jun 19, 2003 6:59 am

I'm doing what I said I would not do again - I'm joining in the fray - but what the hell - I'm only human.

The first thing I noticed when I started coming here about a year and a half ago was the attacks on Lizzy - led by Partisan. I have always enjoyed Partisan's black humour (even if he did attack me personally in the chatroom when I first went there), but I have noticed lately that that humour that I once found so amusing has turned mean and nasty. A joke is always welcome James - but haven't you gone far enough with these boring attacks on Lizzy?

I've also noticed that there are several posters here who have no qualms about attacking anyone for no reason whatsoever apart from them perhaps having a bad hair day - but my God - dare defend yourself or launch a counter attack, or defend someone (anyone - whether you agree with that person generally or not) and YOU are immediately accused of being aggressive, employing bullying tactics, being a sycophant......Is there no end to the hypocrisy here?

I do find it rather amusing that persons who can't say boo to a goose in the chatroom and post so seldom that they're practically unknown here immediately crawl out of the woodwork as soon as there's the slightest promise of an attack on Lizzy.

Lizzy - I watched you keeping your equilibrium for a long time here - I was pleased when you finally decided to defend yourself.

Have any of those of you who accuse (for lack of a better word - but it certainly does sound like an accusation to me) all who defend Lizzy of being a mutual admiration society considered the fact that sometimes one has to defend whoever or whatever against the forces of destruction?

No, I don't suppose you have - that would be too logical and adult a concept to consider.

We all have our own little jealousies, prejudices, hidden agendas, and hang ups that generally pass as reasons for our unacceptable behaviour. I also wonder how many of those who so readily launch the first missile here would do so in real life where you would have to face the consequences of your actions?

Jo

tom.d.stiller · Post by **tom.d.stiller** » Thu Jun 19, 2003 8:24 am

Just a few remarks that hopefully may constitute my final post to this impossible thread:

George Gordon - there are mis-spelled words in the starfish posts. Just open your eyes - and your dictionary... I'm not at all easily upset. But the starfish post was below the bottom. Now all your words come back to thee / In shades of mediocrity: Sheesh!

Pete - thank you for your very impressive post. It might be that some of the words I used "have grown out of proportion", but I don't think that I displayed "hate" - just anger about people who don't know the elements of RESPECT and DIGNITY.

Paula - please don't place yourself "into self imposed exile from this forum". Just remember what this thread is all about: someone started an attack that you yourself called "totally unwarranted", and those who don't accept this utmost nastiness are now insulted and slagged. It never was the other way around. I never insisted on partisan using multiple ID's. But I think this has been coordinated by him (just an opinion).

Moonlight, Anne - there isn't a Mutual Admiration Society. This is an invention by partisan. Some people, however, tend to be polite and kind, and speak their mind, and say where they agree and where they don't, while others don't do anything like that.

Jo - you're right: "sometimes one has to defend whoever or whatever against the forces of destruction". I know that many of those who are attacked now as "Mutual Admiration Society" stood up in the past when those have been attacked who now are putting the "MAS" down... Every word I posted to this thread could and would have been said in a real life situation, but I doubt that in real life a discussion like the one in this thread would have happened at all.

Everyone - I never used different ID's on this forum. Everything I ever posted here was posted as "tom.d.stiller" and it's going to stay that way.

Tom

Moonlight · Post by **Moonlight** » Thu Jun 19, 2003 8:35 am

I probably am one of those people whom you think wouldn't say boo to a goose. But that's really not it. It is very apparent to the lurkers like me (that don't post) that there IS a mutual admiration society. If you join in the ego-massaging all is well. I don't think that those on the inside really understand how it appears to the outsiders. The exchanges usually go something like this:

Member 1: "Leonard is wonderful!"

Member 2: "Yes, he is."

Member 1: "But so are You!"

Member 2: "Me? I'm not nearly as wonderful as You!"

Member 3: "You're BOTH wonderful!"

Member 1 & 2: "Your latest Poem was wonderful!"

And so it goes. Ad nauseum.

I honestly believe that is what keeps a lot of people from ever posting here.

Partisan · Post by **Partisan** » Thu Jun 19, 2003 10:14 am

The "Lousy little poets" thread in the Poetry Section makes your point rather well Moonlight. It turns my stomach. I will be extra careful in future not to click on that section by mistake.

p.

George.Wright · Post by **George.Wright** » Thu Jun 19, 2003 11:23 am

Well Partisan, sick to your stomach
On What?
people are sick to their stomach of your stupid multifacated posts under various disguises
perhaps you should take a good dose of Andrews
and clear out your twisted system
Don't like honesty?
Prefer to snipe and ridicule?
gather up your bad boy MAS
and ride to the border
and do not collect £200.
Georges

smile · Post by **smile** » Thu Jun 19, 2003 3:13 pm

Well I suppose we`ve done a lot of moaning and groaning ourselves shall we leave Lizzy alone for a while? I know what your`e saying that while you are having a dig at her you are leaving some other poor oerson alone!!!!

George.Wright · Post by **George.Wright** » Thu Jun 19, 2003 3:27 pm

Good suggestion, Smile
Georges

Partisan · Post by **Partisan** » Thu Jun 19, 2003 3:49 pm

Smile that is a wonderful suggestion. I for one will leave Tysh Darling alone, just as soon as she leaves the forum alone.

George(s) Baby, it saddens me to see that the whole fabric of your universe depends on every post written bemoaning Tysh Darling's behaviour being written by me. I have used one other name here. For two posts only. The last one was on Sept 3rd last year. As it happens i never used that alias with regards to Tysh Darling. I do not need to. I do not need to hide to say i believe her to be profoundly mentally disturbed. I can say it openly. As a side issue she does appear to be friends with the most vicious alias user ever to grace any Cohen board(hello Aavalanche), so if others use aliases to attack her she can hardly complain, those are the friends she seeks.
Anyway, i just hope your universe does not implode when you discover everything i say is true.

p.

witty_owl · Post by **witty_owl** » Thu Jun 19, 2003 3:54 pm

George Gordon, whatever you think; quite frankly I don't give a damn.

I see that you have nothing warm or positive to offer, on any posts. Perhaps one could suggest that you try not to imitate Partisan. Sarcastic sniping is not your forte. Stick to not posting at all.

Unless you have something real to offer of course?

Have a nice day. WO

Does Lizzytish have a JOB?

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