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Sorry about this Geoffrey, yesterday, later in the evening (offline) I realised that you probably didn't know "humanponysss2000" said she's Ann Diamond, and that Greg reffers to her as Ann. I was sure it was in *this* thread (it was obviously in "BLosers fake or fiction" thread). I'm glad Margaret solved this:-) In any case, it's had to follow Greg, particularly if you know nothing about certain things he's refering to (that blog thing).

Btw, humanponysss2000, your Geocities' WWW link doesn't work. It says http://geocities.com/humanpony2002 - but if I correct it following your username (replacing "2002" with "sss2000"), what I get (http://geocities.com/humanponysss2000/) isn't quite comprehensible.

Hi Geoffrey... and I thought you were pretending not to see the section I quoted in Bold. I didn't realize it was the validity of the identity behind the moniker that you were questioning. Otherwise, I'd have sought where the link between Ann Diamond and her moniker was made. I was thinking that you'd been following these threads. Obviously not .

~ Lizzy

Tom Sakic wrote:Btw, humanponysss2000, your Geocities' WWW link doesn't work. It says http://geocities.com/humanpony2002 - but if I correct it following your username (replacing "2002" with "sss2000"), what I get (http://geocities.com/humanponysss2000/) isn't quite comprehensible.

Perhaps it's because there is nothing to comprehend, once you know the secret.

I don't understand Geoffrey's panic about my true identity.

I keep pondering the state of mind of the author of Beautiful Losers, given the hidden politics of the time he is writing about.

The title itself strikes me as terribly ambivalent about our prospects for survival. I'm not saying anything original here, I know that. It just seems ironic, in retrospect, that Cohen equates Beauty with Defeat.

Is he saying Might Makes Right, or If you can't beat em, join em?

I've always been uncomfortable with messages of non-resistance. Seems like not resisting is like building your house on sand. But then, James Joyce recommended "Silence, exile and cunning" to the Irish as preferable to slaughter at the hands of an all-powerful enemy.

I can't help seeing the narrator of Beautiful Losers as a victim of the "Stockholm Syndrome" -- under great torture, he has come to mistake his oppressor for spme kind of Saviour.

And what about human ponysss? She may be a product of certain unspeakable experiments that went on at the time when BL was written. I see her more in the category of a warrior, flaunting her tail at the battle of Armageddon, as if to say: Salvation is for babies. What we really need is Liberation.

humanponysss2000 wrote:
>I don't understand Geoffrey's panic about my true identity.

I am not concerned with anybody's true identity. I just didn't know that people were referring to you by a name other than your username. I didn't know who they meant when they used your Christian name. I think 'humanponysss2000' is a great name.

Dear Geoffrey,

I apologize for having written quote="Ann"
instead of quote="humanponysss2000".

However, I didn't do it to appear to be "in the know",
or to trip up anyone who's "not in the know",
and who's "out of the loop", and "so far off the beltway it's not even funny anymore"
and not "in the in crowd".

I did it only because I don't use the buttons.

Instead I type in by hand the phpbb markups, such as quote="www" and img=''xxx",
And "Ann" is just easier to type in than "humanponysss2000".

Apart from that, there does appear to be a glitch in the neural pre-processing
done by my retinas which manages, every time, for example, to transform:
"humanponysss2000"
into
"humanponyass ooh! ooh! ooh!"
before it even reachs my visual cortex to be presented
to my brain for potential interpretation.

So I prefer "Ann"
because she seems to make a little more sense to me
than a "humanponyass" could.

(I have the same problem with several other "monikers" around here.
"Lizzytish" for example becomes "Lazytush", which is quite obviously incorrect.
(So maybe I'll refer to her as "Whirling Dervish" in the future.)
And "Tchocolatl" gets transformed, somewhere between my eyes and my brain,
into: "Voulez-vous coucher avec moi ce soir? ...Mocca chocolata Ya Ya!"
(I'll refer to her as "Choke" from now on.)
And "Geoffrey", of course, become "Oh God! It's Geoffrey!".
(Which I'll continue to avoid altogether.))

All this happens quite automatically, and by reflex, in me.
So it isn't really my "fault", in any idiomatic moralistic sense.

What's in a name?

It's all in the name.

~ Lizzy


[The discussion about Leonard's manuscripts in Thomas Fisher Rare Book Library Collections, started here, has been removed to its own thread here. - Tom]