i do believe in G-d
there are so many interperations of G-d it's astounding
so i dont know if we are on the same page,but that is of little consequence
i dont think He cares much for that debate
is the world going some place?
hello everybody,
i don't see what's it got to do with leonard cohen (any more than it does with every living thing on this planet), and i don't see how it will help to discuss it.
i'm not sure about anything, so i can hardly give you any points except NOT TO BE SURE OF ANYTHING. please. religious or not, you must admit that world is round, and that catholic church used to burn people who thought it was not. afganistans would like to kill everybody they see on account of their religion. ireland vs. GB, Izrael vs. Palestina (bit different here), Croatia vs. Yugoslavia... and everybody's sure they're right.
don't be sure.
elazar says he belives in suppreme being, but doubts of it's interpretation. his God may not be an interventionist. perhaps not even personal God. so, do not simply advice to pray.
good luck, and God bless you (if you belive in The Gentelman)
JURICA
i don't see what's it got to do with leonard cohen (any more than it does with every living thing on this planet), and i don't see how it will help to discuss it.
i'm not sure about anything, so i can hardly give you any points except NOT TO BE SURE OF ANYTHING. please. religious or not, you must admit that world is round, and that catholic church used to burn people who thought it was not. afganistans would like to kill everybody they see on account of their religion. ireland vs. GB, Izrael vs. Palestina (bit different here), Croatia vs. Yugoslavia... and everybody's sure they're right.
don't be sure.
elazar says he belives in suppreme being, but doubts of it's interpretation. his God may not be an interventionist. perhaps not even personal God. so, do not simply advice to pray.
good luck, and God bless you (if you belive in The Gentelman)
JURICA
dear jurica,
you made my point very nicely,thank you.we are sure of the horrible mistakes that humans do.evil breeds evil,and it can be hard to brake the cycle.i am also sure of the great goodness in this universe,too.when you say we cant be sure of anything,do you suggest we throw our hands in the air and become slave to our impulses?or do we go out to find answers that must be out there,somewhere?are the answers,the truth,relative?no!i say!we see evil we know evil so by now we should be keen to it and to its twin,good.who are we fooling?yes,if we base our morals and conduct on what we decide is right or wrong,"man will swallow his fellow alive!"a humans intellect will twist things so is the habit from beginning of time.
this is why G-d created a human world rather then one of angels.where is the originality in an angel doing good?an angel sees only good so there is really no choice.if we would see the good and chose it over the evil,this would put the grand smile on G-ds face.in this world where we dont have good without evil and evil without good one may be tempted to say "i cant be sure of anything"but i believe G-d gave us the facultys to do this.
my G-d doesnt interfere,and Hes not personal.He is reality.
as to what this has to do with leonard.his words,to me, ask these questions and also try to answer them,sometimes.
you made my point very nicely,thank you.we are sure of the horrible mistakes that humans do.evil breeds evil,and it can be hard to brake the cycle.i am also sure of the great goodness in this universe,too.when you say we cant be sure of anything,do you suggest we throw our hands in the air and become slave to our impulses?or do we go out to find answers that must be out there,somewhere?are the answers,the truth,relative?no!i say!we see evil we know evil so by now we should be keen to it and to its twin,good.who are we fooling?yes,if we base our morals and conduct on what we decide is right or wrong,"man will swallow his fellow alive!"a humans intellect will twist things so is the habit from beginning of time.
this is why G-d created a human world rather then one of angels.where is the originality in an angel doing good?an angel sees only good so there is really no choice.if we would see the good and chose it over the evil,this would put the grand smile on G-ds face.in this world where we dont have good without evil and evil without good one may be tempted to say "i cant be sure of anything"but i believe G-d gave us the facultys to do this.
my G-d doesnt interfere,and Hes not personal.He is reality.
as to what this has to do with leonard.his words,to me, ask these questions and also try to answer them,sometimes.
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dear linda,
on paper, which usually gets tossed,this would prevent His name getting trashed.its also out of a respectfull differance,like when a child calls his parents mom and dad rather then jane and joe.to show that its a word not taken lightly,but with respect.in speach though,this is manifest in how we chose to say His name,in what context.
elazar
on paper, which usually gets tossed,this would prevent His name getting trashed.its also out of a respectfull differance,like when a child calls his parents mom and dad rather then jane and joe.to show that its a word not taken lightly,but with respect.in speach though,this is manifest in how we chose to say His name,in what context.
elazar
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dear linda,
this is found in most jewish books and in general by some. when not written in prayer form.both in the hebrew and in any language.for the reasons i mentioned.i dont know where this originated exactly,but its found in some early jewish law books that one may not write the name of G-d in its intirety (in a casual state i think.only for prayer when A)it wont get tossed and b)its respectfull.)
elazar
this is found in most jewish books and in general by some. when not written in prayer form.both in the hebrew and in any language.for the reasons i mentioned.i dont know where this originated exactly,but its found in some early jewish law books that one may not write the name of G-d in its intirety (in a casual state i think.only for prayer when A)it wont get tossed and b)its respectfull.)
elazar
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Thanks again, I suspectd as much from Leonard's using of it but didn't know for sure. Relieved that it isn't because of not wanting to offend the none believer by totally spelling out the word. Which is what I was once told.
I believe in G-d, and G-d is the only answer. People are too caught up in money, I would not rely on any person's answer. But dialogue is important, and keeping an open mind. Respect also, respect for others opinions even when we disagree, also repect for other people in general is lacking today.
I agree with Lizzytysh on the video thing, when I was growing up, my mother would tell me when I watched a horror movie (and believe me they were mild then compared to now)
"be careful or your heart will become hard". I believe our hearts are becoming hard, there is a line between the real thing and video games, movies, music, etc.
I believe in G-d, and G-d is the only answer. People are too caught up in money, I would not rely on any person's answer. But dialogue is important, and keeping an open mind. Respect also, respect for others opinions even when we disagree, also repect for other people in general is lacking today.
I agree with Lizzytysh on the video thing, when I was growing up, my mother would tell me when I watched a horror movie (and believe me they were mild then compared to now)
"be careful or your heart will become hard". I believe our hearts are becoming hard, there is a line between the real thing and video games, movies, music, etc.Linda
hi,
i like it that you share your opinions on a matter of Higher Being, and i would like to share mine with you, but i'm afraid i don't know what mine is. and as Kush put it (he's obviously grand dylan fan): it's all blowing in the wind. because we'll never be sure.
about that: i agree we can tell which option has better odds, which is more likely, but i don't think neither religion or science ever gives undoubtable, presumptio juris at de juris answers.
JURICA
i like it that you share your opinions on a matter of Higher Being, and i would like to share mine with you, but i'm afraid i don't know what mine is. and as Kush put it (he's obviously grand dylan fan): it's all blowing in the wind. because we'll never be sure.
about that: i agree we can tell which option has better odds, which is more likely, but i don't think neither religion or science ever gives undoubtable, presumptio juris at de juris answers.
JURICA
dear jurica,
i think a person who doesnt have any doubts is a dead person.
you express a open mindedness that is refreshing i must say.
one thing,that i dont think we are just living in a vacuam.
where no answers exsist.but the point is,everyone has a individual
perseption of the truth like you said before.and the problem,like
you said,is that some people tend to argressively impose their truths on
others.can i say then,that this makes all truths null and void? me dont thinks so.i also cant generalize one particular group or school of thought
and throw out the good with the bad.in short,i can chose my truths
i can be wrong or right or confused,but i believe there is a higher order
to measure my actions,words and thoughts.this may be some what like a
ship,with a independent navigation system thats not rooted to any particular bias.and to apply the latitude and longitude to my life,this
may stear me off coarse or bring me to "land" this is all according to how
loosly i apply the navigators information.can i be sure of any outcome?like you said,the odds can be measured.i like my odds.
i think a person who doesnt have any doubts is a dead person.
you express a open mindedness that is refreshing i must say.
one thing,that i dont think we are just living in a vacuam.
where no answers exsist.but the point is,everyone has a individual
perseption of the truth like you said before.and the problem,like
you said,is that some people tend to argressively impose their truths on
others.can i say then,that this makes all truths null and void? me dont thinks so.i also cant generalize one particular group or school of thought
and throw out the good with the bad.in short,i can chose my truths
i can be wrong or right or confused,but i believe there is a higher order
to measure my actions,words and thoughts.this may be some what like a
ship,with a independent navigation system thats not rooted to any particular bias.and to apply the latitude and longitude to my life,this
may stear me off coarse or bring me to "land" this is all according to how
loosly i apply the navigators information.can i be sure of any outcome?like you said,the odds can be measured.i like my odds.
breathe deep and live
hi,
happy belated thanksgiving,
elazar
happy belated thanksgiving,
elazar
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