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Anne ~
It's not Greta's theory, but that of a woman in Estonia who wrote a book, and which Greta presented here for feedback from others. You also may have missed her second comment, "I'm don't know much about this theory.. I just bwanted to know your thoughts.... "
I agree with you that people don't need the additional guilt to contend with while struggling with their disease toward healing. I think the theory is a bit black-and-white in terms of good/bad.
It's not Greta's theory, but that of a woman in Estonia who wrote a book, and which Greta presented here for feedback from others. You also may have missed her second comment, "I'm don't know much about this theory.. I just bwanted to know your thoughts.... "
I agree with you that people don't need the additional guilt to contend with while struggling with their disease toward healing. I think the theory is a bit black-and-white in terms of good/bad.
Paula ~ Your description pretty well parallels mine, in terms of subsequent lives. However, surely some of the "old souls" lattermost assignments would be to assist others in their own soul growth, right?
Greta ~ It can get dang-right dicey trying to scalpel through the causes of disease. There are so many factors involved. There are certainly the "purists"/conservativists who consider it all a matter of one's own internal world and presence in/adaptation to the world. I know that positive/negative is more palpable for me than good/bad. I know that there is definitely a mind-body connection, wherein amazing feats of healing [rearrangement of the dis-ease at a molecular level] can and does occur. To reduce disease to being a matter of not living/thinking "right" seems too simplistic. However, I'd need to see what this woman said in its context to really give my opinion on her theories. I am always very drawn to talks, seminars, theories on disease and healing. There is clearly a spiritual element to it all. I very recently attended a seminar being given by an Native American Indian medicine man. It's impossible for me to say at this point, "In my mind, this is the way it is!" There definitely is a Christian bias [in general] against alternative medicine and the "witch" connection. Still, the Christian Scientists far preceded the allopathic medical world's emerging acceptance of the mind-body connection.
~ Elizabeth
Greta ~ It can get dang-right dicey trying to scalpel through the causes of disease. There are so many factors involved. There are certainly the "purists"/conservativists who consider it all a matter of one's own internal world and presence in/adaptation to the world. I know that positive/negative is more palpable for me than good/bad. I know that there is definitely a mind-body connection, wherein amazing feats of healing [rearrangement of the dis-ease at a molecular level] can and does occur. To reduce disease to being a matter of not living/thinking "right" seems too simplistic. However, I'd need to see what this woman said in its context to really give my opinion on her theories. I am always very drawn to talks, seminars, theories on disease and healing. There is clearly a spiritual element to it all. I very recently attended a seminar being given by an Native American Indian medicine man. It's impossible for me to say at this point, "In my mind, this is the way it is!" There definitely is a Christian bias [in general] against alternative medicine and the "witch" connection. Still, the Christian Scientists far preceded the allopathic medical world's emerging acceptance of the mind-body connection.
~ Elizabeth
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Illness always is a tragedy. But illness never is a punishment.
You can overcome illness sometimes, when you got the right fighting spirit (look at Lance...), but there's no guarantee...
It is simply a cruel misunderstanding of common belief in GOD to think illness is a punishment, and it adds to the already burning flame...
Greta - you won't be that cruel against yourself or others?
Tom
You can overcome illness sometimes, when you got the right fighting spirit (look at Lance...), but there's no guarantee...
It is simply a cruel misunderstanding of common belief in GOD to think illness is a punishment, and it adds to the already burning flame...
Greta - you won't be that cruel against yourself or others?
Tom
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If you are interested in where all the souls come from and what happends between the incarnations, you might find this book interesting:
"Journey of souls" by Michael Newton, Ph.D., first published by Llewellyn Publications.
I have found much comfort and understanding of why I lost my little grandson after only 5 weeks of living. Instead of asking why and feeling it as a punishment, this book helped me along to see that there is a meaning all together. I started reading it while my daughter was pregnant, and now I just finished rereading it. I might read it all over once again whenever I feel that I lost track of the meaning to life (and death).
I do hope this book, together with Neale Donald Walsch, "Communion with God", can help others than myself.
At least they have given me peace and taken away my fear of dying and missing.
hugs to all from Cia
"Journey of souls" by Michael Newton, Ph.D., first published by Llewellyn Publications.
I have found much comfort and understanding of why I lost my little grandson after only 5 weeks of living. Instead of asking why and feeling it as a punishment, this book helped me along to see that there is a meaning all together. I started reading it while my daughter was pregnant, and now I just finished rereading it. I might read it all over once again whenever I feel that I lost track of the meaning to life (and death).
I do hope this book, together with Neale Donald Walsch, "Communion with God", can help others than myself.
At least they have given me peace and taken away my fear of dying and missing.
hugs to all from Cia
I agree wholeheartedly with Anne's remark. When a friend of mine made some judgemental religious type comment re a family member suffering with cancer I found his attitude distasteful and a little 'holier than thou' in its tone. Needless to say our friendship has taken a sabbatical. We all suffer illness. We are all mortal. So what is this crap about guilt or g*d's judgement. Whatever happened to the compassion that their saviour was so acute about? 
Regards, Witty Owl.
Regards, Witty Owl.
Thanks for the information, Cia. Even though I haven't read those books, I know what you mean about the comfort it brings. I know it's nearly impossible to understand the loss of your grandson at such a barely-existent age. Yet, he was fully into his existence, as he is Soul.
I've never been able to embrace the concepts of heaven and hell. Heaven sounded good enough, but one is commanded to not be able to pick and choose from the Bible, which mandated the acceptance of Hell. It makes much more sense that souls linger and return. G~d is the original recycler.
Your hugs are always so welcome.
~ Elizabeth
I've never been able to embrace the concepts of heaven and hell. Heaven sounded good enough, but one is commanded to not be able to pick and choose from the Bible, which mandated the acceptance of Hell. It makes much more sense that souls linger and return. G~d is the original recycler.
Your hugs are always so welcome.
~ Elizabeth
Cia I can quite understand why you would get comfort from that book. I read somewhere that young souls who were taken early are often reincarnated back into the families from whence they came, there was a case of two sisters who died in an accident this century and later their mother gave birth to twin girls and the twins had memories and scars which could only have come from their sisters.
And I don't know if you read about a woman in England she had retrogression and appeared to be a reincarnation of an Irish woman who had died last century but the dead woman's children were still alive so she went to meet them in Ireland and they were able to validate a lot of what she said about their mother's life.
And I don't know if you read about a woman in England she had retrogression and appeared to be a reincarnation of an Irish woman who had died last century but the dead woman's children were still alive so she went to meet them in Ireland and they were able to validate a lot of what she said about their mother's life.
the woman with the theory is called Luule Viilma
After reading this article i feel that i explanation was too simple..
the article...
http://haldjas.folklore.ee/folklore/vol2/docdoc.htm
....Remarkably great is the popularity of Luule Viilma's The Teaching of Survival (Viilma 1996) and The Teaching of Living (Viilma 1994). Luule Viilma, a gynaecologist by profession, has been in the alternative medicine since the late 1980s. Her real fame was brought by her books that are cherished by people of different occupations. She is equally popular among unread people and top intellectuals. In essence, her teaching is akin to Christian moral code and the teaching of forgiveness, combined with the healer's personal views to form an integral whole. The book describes typical situations, claiming that diseases originate in people's depravity, wrong way of thinking, and that they can be removed by forgiveness. Just forgive - and all afflictions, even malignant tumours, are eliminated - that is Luule Viilma's teaching.
The Viilma phenomenon is remarkable in that for the first time Estonian psychics and admirers of esoteric teachings have a Master. Namely, an impressive number of doctors of alternative medicine repeat (sometimes in modified form) her principles, and they even use her typical expressions. Very interesting was my recent encounter with a church officer, a former nurse, who, although not quite agreeing with Viilma's teachings, quoted the principles from her book. She described how she asked for forgiveness from her aching hands, or from her skin rash, and how all that helps her recover......
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After reading this article i feel that i explanation was too simple..
the article...
http://haldjas.folklore.ee/folklore/vol2/docdoc.htm
....Remarkably great is the popularity of Luule Viilma's The Teaching of Survival (Viilma 1996) and The Teaching of Living (Viilma 1994). Luule Viilma, a gynaecologist by profession, has been in the alternative medicine since the late 1980s. Her real fame was brought by her books that are cherished by people of different occupations. She is equally popular among unread people and top intellectuals. In essence, her teaching is akin to Christian moral code and the teaching of forgiveness, combined with the healer's personal views to form an integral whole. The book describes typical situations, claiming that diseases originate in people's depravity, wrong way of thinking, and that they can be removed by forgiveness. Just forgive - and all afflictions, even malignant tumours, are eliminated - that is Luule Viilma's teaching.
The Viilma phenomenon is remarkable in that for the first time Estonian psychics and admirers of esoteric teachings have a Master. Namely, an impressive number of doctors of alternative medicine repeat (sometimes in modified form) her principles, and they even use her typical expressions. Very interesting was my recent encounter with a church officer, a former nurse, who, although not quite agreeing with Viilma's teachings, quoted the principles from her book. She described how she asked for forgiveness from her aching hands, or from her skin rash, and how all that helps her recover......
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Paula, I think I once saw a T.V. program of that woman going back to Ireland and the doorstep with a special inscription she mentioned in the rebirthing part really was there. This women had never visited Ireland before 
And still I must admit that I find it hard to believe, even thou it would give some comfort
hugs from Cia
And still I must admit that I find it hard to believe, even thou it would give some comfort
hugs from Cia
The intelligent man finds almost everything ridiculous, the sensible man almost nothing.
--Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
--Johann Wolfgang von Goethe