So Brave And So Sweet

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Ahh... selection vs. collection. A difference right there. Yes... that is an apt description of a U.S. kitchen drawer, as well, Jimmy :lol: . Well described 8) . Twenty-two years later, I still have a lock of a man's long hair... one who was just so sensual, with his hair quite representative of that. I just never considered putting it in the kitchen drawer, so this detail immediately arrested my attention.


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Ewwwwwww... whose hair is this
Cracked me up, inspired me to rewrite Famous Blue Raincoat

Jane came by with a lock of your hair
She said that you gave it to her
Then she put it on my plate
I choked when I ate ...

What can I tell you my brother, my killer
What an I possibly say
Ewwwwwww... whose hair is this?
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Hi Joney ~

Don't we just love it when someone gets what we say and builds on it? I know I do.

:lol: That was good... funny scene :lol: . And now I'm wondering how Leonard got away with it, talking about a "lock" of hair ;-) .

Mark better return pretty soon... or he'll have to repost his poem, mid-stream, so we know what his responses relate to :) .


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In an interview with Melvynn Bragg, Leonard once said 'seriousness is good for the soul'. I thought the piece I submitted was both tender and serious. I didn't realise it would cause such general hillarity among some forum members. This sadens me.
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Hi Mark ~

If only we could predict others' responses. I agree with what Leonard said and I apologize for my contributing to your sadness. It's sort of a "when the cat's away, the mice will play" phenomenon, I think. Leave us alone long enough and we're likely to end up going at least quasi-absurd directions.

I've recently experienced what seems like may be a similar kind of disappointment. Even though my poem was silly, I took my bringing it into existence seriously, and my request for serious crit'ing for purposes of my learning was serious, too. You got silliness in response to your seriousness; whereas, I pretty much got nothing in response to mine. I guess it's all part of that process of learning how to accept disappointment [even though my continuing to bring it up may not indicate much in the way of acceptance ;-) ].

It seems that, even though we ended up detouring all over the place, the seriousness and tenderness of your poem was recognized by some in the beginning. I hope your disappointment can be somewhat lessened by that.


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ooops !!!!

You need to get used to this, Mark. We read the poems and respond. A Freudian Analyst might have a good time with all the free association. But at the end of the day the words are still yours.

We only read 'em. You do what you wish. But at least we read 'em.

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Mark I apologise if my post saddened you. Your poem didn't cause me hillarity, it was the thought of hair ending up on a plate that set off my silly side. Seriousness may be good for the soul but I think a good laugh is also good for the soul. However, if my frivolity caused offence then I apologise.

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I graciously accept any apologies. I try to let go of a piece when I submit it to a public forum and generally do quite well at it. This piece is very new to me, perhaps I should have waited a few days before posting it. Nora and I had hoped to stay in the Chelsea Hotel (which she sang and dedicated to me in an open mic session in Austin - I was very touched.) We are both such huge Leonard fans, one might even say we lived vicariously through Leonard's poems and lyrics for a while. I'm not certain what has happened to Nora since we parted company. She had a rather serious heart condition that was life-threatening. Our love affair was ill fated. I do not expect forum members to be sensitive to the poems I submit, after all, the story behind a poem is often concealed. I did(in this instance) wish to communicate some of what Nora meant to me - it seems that I failed.
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Mark A. Murphy wrote:I graciously accept any apologies. I try to let go of a piece when I submit it to a public forum and generally do quite well at it. This piece is very new to me, perhaps I should have waited a few days before posting it. Nora and I had hoped to stay in the Chelsea Hotel (which she sang and dedicated to me in an open mic session in Austin - I was very touched.) We are both such huge Leonard fans, one might even say we lived vicariously through Leonard's poems and lyrics for a while. I'm not certain what has happened to Nora since we parted company. She had a rather serious heart condition that was life-threatening. Our love affair was ill fated. I do not expect forum members to be sensitive to the poems I submit, after all, the story behind a poem is often concealed. I did(in this instance) wish to communicate some of what Nora meant to me - it seems that I failed.
it remains a good and moving piece, thanks again for posting

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Hi Mark ~

Of course, now, reading it and knowing the back story [you're right, too, that we often don't know what it is], it becomes very clear and even more touching. As I mentioned, already, some had commented on the nature of it, so you didn't fail.

I hope Nora is okay and prevails over her heart condition; and I wish that you had gotten to stay in the Chelsea together. I'm sorry for the loss of your relationship.


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As Samuel Beckett said, "The tears of the world are a constant quality. For each one who begins to weep, somewhere else another stops. The same is true of the laugh."

I'm sorry for spoiling the fun.
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When it comes to adequately expressing what is going on in the psychesoul, we all fail, Mark.
I still stand by my first posting. I do think... and of course this is me... the last line needs changing. I might use a concrete image that reminds you of Nora. It would ground the poem even more... I think.

Hope all goes well with you...
... and keep on postin'!!!!!

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Mark,

I liked your poem. I have always liked your poems.
And I was going to say so, too, once. But you know me.
I am unaccountable that way.

I liked them not so much for stand-out lines,
but because of the way they move steadily
forward with grace and authority and maturity.
I'd like to be able to write like that.

"Sherry" said about your "Taking Shade With Buddha"
As you say in your signature line,
poetry is a place where the reader can take refuge.
I felt such a sense of peace come over me
when I arrived at the end of the last line.
A beautiful poem.
and I was going to say that maybe what she meant
was the same kind of thing that I was beginning
to feel as I read the poem. Namely, an increasing
confidence that none of your lines would ever
make me cringe.

(Not that I'd ever argue that making people cringe
isn't a perfectly valid art form. It's just, that at my age,
I must have already seen every possible
variation in the cringe-genre, and my
cringe muscles are grateful for the rest.)

I liked
A lock of your hair tied with lace.
I found it in a box in the kitchen drawer,
next to the sun and moon.

It reminded me of two things.
First, of course
Her beauty and the moonlight overthrew ya.
She tied you to a kitchen chair,
She broke your throne and she cut your hair,
And from your lips she drew the Hallelujah.
- LC
which already had moon and hair in the kitchen, for ya,
where any tidy person would be obliged to put them back
in the drawer when done using them, as we were all
properly brought up to do.

And it reminded me of this
I look at the floor
and I see it needs sweeping.
Still my guitar gently weeps
- George Harrison
Nothing comes close to the words "kitchen" and "sweeping"
for invoking a sense of the mundane (unless it's "kitchen midden".)

And, if you are missing someone,
then nothing comes close to the mundane for invoking melancholia.

This is because "kitchen" and "sweeping" and things like that
remind us of the things that we are required to do
simply to stay alive. Which, then, reminds us that,
as human beings, simply staying alive isn't enough.
We need a reason.

So, when we are unhappy, and notice that the floor
needs sweeping, sweeping the floor is the last thing
we are likely to do. Because it just "rubs it in"
that we need more. So we procrastinate.
We do "more important things first".
We play the guitar. We post posts on the internet.
We reminisce the days we had the time
for the sun and moon.

There was no suggestion that you were looking
for hair in a box in the kitchen drawer.
The implicit implication was that finding it there
was an unexpected turn of events.

You must have been looking for something else.
Something much more likely to be found in a kitchen drawer.
Something to do with assisting in cutting up and transporting
food stuffs short distances from plates and cartons to mouths.

You were hungry. And in that state the blood
is drained from the brain down to the muscles required
to procure, prepare, and ingest food.
And the organs used to digest it.
Nature has removed everything else from the mind
that could possibly distract from serving the survival
instinct.

But then, unexpectedly, you found the box with
the hair in it. Which flooded your mind with the
farthest things from your immediate mundane
kitchen prison. Celestial images with past
personal associations swung open your
kitchen prison doors and released you to a moment
of pure rapture. A moment of exquisite pain.
Because pain is nature's way too. Pain,
any pain, whether you know this or not, is just
"nature's way of telling you something's wrong".
Natures way of reminding you that your old reasons
for eating aren't valid anymore. Nature's way
of motivating you stop pigging out, burn the box,
get out of the kitchen, and "get a (new) life".


~~
The concern earlier in this thread
over sun and moon and soul
reminded me of something that my niece once said.

It was early one morning, and we were going out for breakfast.
My brother-in-law was carrying her.
She was 1 day old.

He was suffering at the time from certain flu-like symptoms
of pride and prejudice and terror at having accomplished her,
and of the shock of recognition of the overwhelming momentousness
of the many instances of trivialized and long forgotten occasions to him,
that were occurring to her for the very first time,
in her freshly picked little life.

In this case, her squinting and sneezing at the sun
caused him to jubilate: "first time she's seen the sun."

Which incited the occation of the very first words
she ever spoke. She said: "I've seen better."

(or faces to that effect.)

~~~~~~~
Soul loss can be observed today as a psychological phenomenon
in the everyday lives of the human beings around us. Loss of soul
appears in the form of a sudden onset of apathy and listlessness;
the joy has gone out of life, initiative is crippled, one feels empty,
everything seems pointless.
- Marie-Louise von Franz
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Beautiful and deeply thoughtful response, Greg. One worthy of the many thoughts behind Mark's poem. Thanks.


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Greg, May I thank you for your astute observations. May I also remark that you, like Nora have the soul of a poet. I am pleased that you have enjoyed my poems - that is reason enough for having written. I take comfort from your words of understanding and it gladens me that I was able to touch you in some way. I feel that Nora would be pleased too.
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