Among the lies
Most damaging
To children
Who live in survivable spaces
There failing to thrive
Under
Parental miscare
Are those that say
When it isn't so
Your parents love you
And want the best for you.
Among the lies
Most damaging to adults
Are some
Taught to them as children
By people
Who should have known better.
Copyright 2007 by me, the author. All rights reserved.
Among The Lies
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The sleeping giant awakens. More, Steven, more. Let it out mate. 
Lies, everywhere lies; and we cling to our superstitions.
But children know, intrinsically. It all spills out later.
What you brought to my attention gives me reason for hope.
Boss
Lies, everywhere lies; and we cling to our superstitions.
But children know, intrinsically. It all spills out later.
What you brought to my attention gives me reason for hope.
Boss
'In the depth of winter, I finally learned that within me there lay an invincible summer' - Albert Camus
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Hi Boss,
Thanks for the encouragement. Always refuse to abandon hope.
Thanks for the encouragement. Always refuse to abandon hope.
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"The sleeping giant awakens. More, Steven, more. Let it out mate."
Boss
Not a direct reference to your poem, Steven, but I take issue with Boss's contention that superstition is always, of necessity, a lie or, indeed, that superstition is always damaging.
The roles of superstition in the folk-memory and folk-life of communities is much more complex than simply being "lies."
Superstition grows out of many things and, sometimes, grows out of the best-intentioned reasons. To dismiss all superstition as being negatively invented and of only negative effect is, I think, unfair.
Boss
Not a direct reference to your poem, Steven, but I take issue with Boss's contention that superstition is always, of necessity, a lie or, indeed, that superstition is always damaging.
The roles of superstition in the folk-memory and folk-life of communities is much more complex than simply being "lies."
Superstition grows out of many things and, sometimes, grows out of the best-intentioned reasons. To dismiss all superstition as being negatively invented and of only negative effect is, I think, unfair.
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Hi Red Poppy,
Not a direct or indirect reference to Boss, but I agree with your proposition that
superstition (if synonymous with mythology) isn't always damaging.
If you haven't already read Joseph Campbell's books on this or Jung's discussion
of archetypes, you may find these things of interest.
Not a direct or indirect reference to Boss, but I agree with your proposition that
superstition (if synonymous with mythology) isn't always damaging.
If you haven't already read Joseph Campbell's books on this or Jung's discussion
of archetypes, you may find these things of interest.
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Hey Poppy, an Irishman wrote this
The author is Van Morrison, the year was 2005.
My use of the word 'superstition' was in the same vein as Van's above.
If you still have a problem, I don't care.
You got to fight every day
To keep mediocrity at bay
Got to fight every day
To keep mediocrity at bay
Got to fight with all your might
Not to get in the bleeding hearts way
You got to fight for your rights
You can't bury your head in the sand
Got to fight for your rights
You can't just bury your head in the sand
Politics and religion, superstition, go hand in hand
Well you're going through the motions
And they can't hear a word you say
Well you're going through the motions
They don't want to hear a word you say
Got to keep boredom at bay
And keep mediocrity away
Got to fight every day to keep mediocrity at bay
Got to fight every day to keep mediocrity at bay
Got to fight with all your might
Not to get in the bleeding heart's way
Got to fight with all your might
Not to get in the bleeding heart's way
The author is Van Morrison, the year was 2005.
My use of the word 'superstition' was in the same vein as Van's above.
If you still have a problem, I don't care.
'In the depth of winter, I finally learned that within me there lay an invincible summer' - Albert Camus
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It sounds like someone had a bad day (not you probably, perhaps another?)Among the lies
...Your parents love you
And want the best for you.
I assume you were listening to some sad soul's misfortune.
You suggest to Boss,
so Steven,Always refuse to abandon hope
the question evolves to
"how do you tell a child that his/her parents don't love them
and at the same time not risk the loss of hope?"
I have a few answers flying around my brain
but I would rather read yours
than post mine.
Good to see the big/bad/Boss steaming around this place again.
Superstition is wonderful
once you have navigated beyond its power
and sense its origins
yes Steven, I'm with you;
Jung is the Man with the orienteering map
in this realm of archetypes, folk-lore and self discovery ("individuation").
Matj
"Without light or guide, save that which burned in my heart." San Juan de la Cruz.
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regards jacobi
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love is not forgotten......
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Hey Boss
Van has written a lot of stuff - some of it bullshit, some of it good.
If you don't care then I don't care - just don't walk under ladders, painters sometimes piss on the job!!!
Van has written a lot of stuff - some of it bullshit, some of it good.
If you don't care then I don't care - just don't walk under ladders, painters sometimes piss on the job!!!
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Hi Mat,
Your presumption is correct. -- The day wasn't bad for me.
You ask a huge question about how to tell a child such a thing. In some instances and circumstances, it may be best to remain silent or to say that the parents have problems that prevent them from loving and caring actions (they would if they could kind of thing). In
other situations, there would be other possibilitites. Personal advice should only be
obtained from a qualified professional, should anyone need it.
I thought the issue was worth bringing up in the poem, but to attempt to adequately answer your question in this venue would be problematic for a whole host of reasons, not the least is that specific guidance from knowledgeable local professionals that know specific circumstances would be what would really be called for (for those affected by this sort of
thing) and not guidance from a discussion forum -- should anyone be looking for it. Unaddressed, though, too often the problems become intergenerational.
Your presumption is correct. -- The day wasn't bad for me.
You ask a huge question about how to tell a child such a thing. In some instances and circumstances, it may be best to remain silent or to say that the parents have problems that prevent them from loving and caring actions (they would if they could kind of thing). In
other situations, there would be other possibilitites. Personal advice should only be
obtained from a qualified professional, should anyone need it.
I thought the issue was worth bringing up in the poem, but to attempt to adequately answer your question in this venue would be problematic for a whole host of reasons, not the least is that specific guidance from knowledgeable local professionals that know specific circumstances would be what would really be called for (for those affected by this sort of
thing) and not guidance from a discussion forum -- should anyone be looking for it. Unaddressed, though, too often the problems become intergenerational.