David Wilcox read this on etown an episode or two ago.
http://www.WhatAreRecords.com/dw/war
it's a poem called "A Different Kind of War"
A Different Kind of War (David Wilcox)
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Far be it from me to say we've lost it 
~ the plot, some semblance of sanity, whatever ~ but if anyone else wants to say or think it, don't look at me to stop you:
"Man arrested over peace T-shirt
Albany, N.Y., shopper charged with trespassing at mall
ASSOCIATED PRESS
ALBANY, N.Y., March 5 — A man was charged with trespassing in a mall after he refused to take off a T-shirt that said “Peace on Earth” and “Give peace a chance.”
MALL SECURITY approached Stephen Downs, 61, and his 31-year-old son, Roger, on Monday night after they were spotted wearing the T-shirts at Crossgates Mall in a suburb of Albany, the men said.
The two said they were asked to remove the shirts made at a store there, or leave the mall. They refused.
The guards returned with a police officer who repeated the ultimatum. The son took his T-shirt off, but the father refused.
“’I said, ‘All right then, arrest me if you have to,”’ Downs said. “So that’s what they did. They put the handcuffs on and took me away.”
Downs pleaded innocent to the charges Monday night. The New York Civil Liberties Union said it would help with his case if asked.
Police Chief James Murley said his officers were just responding to a complaint by mall security.
“We don’t care what they have on their shirts, but they were asked to leave the property, and it’s private property,” Murley said.
A mall spokeswoman did not return calls Tuesday seeking comment.
Monday’s arrest came less than three months after about 20 peace activists wearing similar T-shirts were told to leave by mall security and police. There were no arrests.
© 2003 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed."
P.S. Sure wouldn't wanna chance those peace people gatherin' 'round again. [Good for Dad! ~ the right "age" for holding strong on the concepts.]
~ the plot, some semblance of sanity, whatever ~ but if anyone else wants to say or think it, don't look at me to stop you:"Man arrested over peace T-shirt
Albany, N.Y., shopper charged with trespassing at mall
ASSOCIATED PRESS
ALBANY, N.Y., March 5 — A man was charged with trespassing in a mall after he refused to take off a T-shirt that said “Peace on Earth” and “Give peace a chance.”
MALL SECURITY approached Stephen Downs, 61, and his 31-year-old son, Roger, on Monday night after they were spotted wearing the T-shirts at Crossgates Mall in a suburb of Albany, the men said.
The two said they were asked to remove the shirts made at a store there, or leave the mall. They refused.
The guards returned with a police officer who repeated the ultimatum. The son took his T-shirt off, but the father refused.
“’I said, ‘All right then, arrest me if you have to,”’ Downs said. “So that’s what they did. They put the handcuffs on and took me away.”
Downs pleaded innocent to the charges Monday night. The New York Civil Liberties Union said it would help with his case if asked.
Police Chief James Murley said his officers were just responding to a complaint by mall security.
“We don’t care what they have on their shirts, but they were asked to leave the property, and it’s private property,” Murley said.
A mall spokeswoman did not return calls Tuesday seeking comment.
Monday’s arrest came less than three months after about 20 peace activists wearing similar T-shirts were told to leave by mall security and police. There were no arrests.
© 2003 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed."
P.S. Sure wouldn't wanna chance those peace people gatherin' 'round again. [Good for Dad! ~ the right "age" for holding strong on the concepts.]
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Thanks for the link, and for the AP thing as well.
It's disgusting to see how a bunch of fundamentalist oil barons and warmongers abuse WTC victims with what they call a justification of their planned attack on Iraq.
It's horrible to see how they sacrifice the very democracy they pretend to defend. Liberty, it is said, dies by inches. But some people obviously want to kill Liberty by miles.
Still: the cause is not lost. Abe Lincoln said something about how you can fool all the people some of the time, and some people all of the time, but not all the people all of the time. Maybe Laura's dreadful husband will run out of time and out of people...
But it is essential that we try to have some hands in this! Otherwise, again, the future will be murder.
It's disgusting to see how a bunch of fundamentalist oil barons and warmongers abuse WTC victims with what they call a justification of their planned attack on Iraq.
It's horrible to see how they sacrifice the very democracy they pretend to defend. Liberty, it is said, dies by inches. But some people obviously want to kill Liberty by miles.
Still: the cause is not lost. Abe Lincoln said something about how you can fool all the people some of the time, and some people all of the time, but not all the people all of the time. Maybe Laura's dreadful husband will run out of time and out of people...
But it is essential that we try to have some hands in this! Otherwise, again, the future will be murder.
Tom ~
On my way home Saturday from an appointment and food shopping at Mother Earth, I ended up at a Universal Women's Power and Peace Gathering. I periodically cried throughout it. On my way home from shopping, I had passed by some peace marchers and gave them thumbs-up and peace sign and my Saab gave them loooooong honks from her horn. I thought I heard the words "need" and "car" shouted at me by a woman, and I thought, "I'll bet she said, 'You need to park your car [and walk with us]'." As I had found myself crying, as I drove past them doing the above, I thought, "You know, if you can cry while you're driving, you can cry while you're walking, too." Then, I thought, "I have food ~ vegetables that will be seriously wilted ~ and still have 40 miles to go." Quickly following that thought was, "Well, at least you *have* food. Many in Iraq don't ~ and haven't for many years."
I turned around, parked my car, and walked back to where they were at, coming my way. I thought I'd recognized one woman in the group, so decided to keep walking toward the back to see if I came across her. Only several people back, I heard my name and it was another woman, whom I haven't seen for months. She put her arm around me, and we walked together. I asked where they were going to and she identified the area, which I knew. Well, when we got there, I found out that it was an organized rally ~ and ended up seeing *many* women that I know. Several unexpected hours out of and into my day, but a great day. I came home and cooked my vegetables, and all was well in my world. Wish I could say the same for millions of others.
Along the lines of what you said, the last sign I saw as I was leaving:
"Real Eyes / Realize / Real Lies"
~ Lizzytysh
On my way home Saturday from an appointment and food shopping at Mother Earth, I ended up at a Universal Women's Power and Peace Gathering. I periodically cried throughout it. On my way home from shopping, I had passed by some peace marchers and gave them thumbs-up and peace sign and my Saab gave them loooooong honks from her horn. I thought I heard the words "need" and "car" shouted at me by a woman, and I thought, "I'll bet she said, 'You need to park your car [and walk with us]'." As I had found myself crying, as I drove past them doing the above, I thought, "You know, if you can cry while you're driving, you can cry while you're walking, too." Then, I thought, "I have food ~ vegetables that will be seriously wilted ~ and still have 40 miles to go." Quickly following that thought was, "Well, at least you *have* food. Many in Iraq don't ~ and haven't for many years."
I turned around, parked my car, and walked back to where they were at, coming my way. I thought I'd recognized one woman in the group, so decided to keep walking toward the back to see if I came across her. Only several people back, I heard my name and it was another woman, whom I haven't seen for months. She put her arm around me, and we walked together. I asked where they were going to and she identified the area, which I knew. Well, when we got there, I found out that it was an organized rally ~ and ended up seeing *many* women that I know. Several unexpected hours out of and into my day, but a great day. I came home and cooked my vegetables, and all was well in my world. Wish I could say the same for millions of others.
Along the lines of what you said, the last sign I saw as I was leaving:
"Real Eyes / Realize / Real Lies"
~ Lizzytysh
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Peace marches
I reckon you did the right thing, Elizabeth, or lizzytysh, whichever you prefer from a perfect stranger!
Of course I wasn't saying that I thought you are not active enough. There's just not enough people like you who care for more than some old-fashioned kind of national pride, and, of course, for their own affairs.
I myself could and should be more active in some peace movement, but all I really do is send words to those who protest against their government/administration.
Keep on!
Tom
An afterthought: I was impressed - and moved - by the intensity of your emotions about the people in Iraq who didn't really elect their dictator, but have to suffer from our sanctions and - hopefully not - attacks. By the way: as far as I remember Florida didn't really elect the present inhabitant of that famous house on Pennsylvania Ave...
Of course I wasn't saying that I thought you are not active enough. There's just not enough people like you who care for more than some old-fashioned kind of national pride, and, of course, for their own affairs.
I myself could and should be more active in some peace movement, but all I really do is send words to those who protest against their government/administration.
Keep on!
Tom
An afterthought: I was impressed - and moved - by the intensity of your emotions about the people in Iraq who didn't really elect their dictator, but have to suffer from our sanctions and - hopefully not - attacks. By the way: as far as I remember Florida didn't really elect the present inhabitant of that famous house on Pennsylvania Ave...