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Enjoy your time away, Steven :D . Joyful, safe travels :) . No second-guessing on your absence now :wink: .

I took the unit in for repair, yesterday, by the way. He said he wasn't going to be able to get to it until after Thanksgiving, so I brought it back home. Eventually...


Happy Thanksgiving to you, your family, and loved ones :D .

~ Lizzy
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Post by Diane »

Blimey, lots of entries to this thread in a few short hours.

Fljots said:
Love is NOT necessarily affection.

The Greeks had 4 words for love:

Eros = sexual love
Storge = familial love
Agape = principled love
Philia = brotherly/friendship love

All but Agape involve the emotion affection in its various forms.

Agape simply cares. It is involved in all the other three, but it also stands alone.
I get confused thinking about 'types' of love. My mind is starting to get boggled, but I see what you mean (I think).

Steven said:
Love is an antidote for the further spread of hate. It displaces
anger, which is injurious to its posessor and others. Love is the
idealized response. It does not mean, i.m.o., an acceptance of
the wrong actions. There are other, less lofty, ways to
deal with hate. Some come with adverse affects for everyone
involved, though. Some do not.
Yes, but it's ok to get angry it's ok to express it. You don't need to "take it out" on anyone. Anger is an normal emotion that we all experience a number of times in the course of an average day. That's what my former shrink told me, anyway, and he was a very wise man. I used to have a vast amount of unexpressed anger inside me (from having been treated badly in the past, but not having been able to express it), which meant I was once depressed a great deal of the time.

Steven said:
As you almost certainly know, "agape" was the greek word used by
bible translators to speak of the highest level of love, where it
was unconditional or of a divine nature. Agape is congruent with some of
what Diane was saying about what love does not require
"unconditional, 'divine' love" could also be another term for true emotional intimacy, where two people share the contents of their hearts with all the barriers down. That's very high up on the list of the most beautiful things in life.

Lizzy said, in response to Boss:
As for preventing it on a mass scale, trying to get everyone in line in terms of seeing children as people vs.things, is a first step. Then, starting to address in myriad ways how people treat people, I guess might be the next.
Yes, I think it is a matter of continued education and awareness of the importance of rearing children in a loving, safe environment.

Happy Thanksgiving, Steven!

Diane
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Yes
" . . . true emotional intimacy, where two people share the contents of their hearts with all the barriers down. That's very high up on the list of the most beautiful things in life."

Yes



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Steven - enjoy your training week and the Thanksgiving holiday. :)

You will be missed here.
Only just found this video of LC:
http://ca.youtube.com/user/leonardcohen?ob=4" target="_blank

This one does make me cry.
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Diane wrote: Fljots said:
Love is NOT necessarily affection.

The Greeks had 4 words for love:

Eros = sexual love
Storge = familial love
Agape = principled love
Philia = brotherly/friendship love

All but Agape involve the emotion affection in its various forms.

Agape simply cares. It is involved in all the other three, but it also stands alone.
I get confused thinking about 'types' of love. My mind is starting to get boggled, but I see what you mean (I think).

Diane
It's easy, really, Diane - what you feel for your child is not what you feel for the man you love, and neither is what you feel for your friends, or for your parents and extended family.
And Agape underlies all and is above and beyond all, encompassing all things.

See? Easy! :lol:
Only just found this video of LC:
http://ca.youtube.com/user/leonardcohen?ob=4" target="_blank

This one does make me cry.
Diane

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Oh! and here I am signed on. Sometimes I think the computer just gets bored and amuses itself with these little games...

Yes, Fljots, if you put it like that. I guess I was not really seeing it that way :roll: :lol: !! I've had a hard day :wink: .

Love, (the friendship kind)

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To think that this thread started with a puddle.

I've read the narrative poem now, Boss. Just now. Somehow, it fits the thread.

And you were right - it does have a happy ending, despite the pain in between. I'm glad I read it. Thank you for posting it. :)
Only just found this video of LC:
http://ca.youtube.com/user/leonardcohen?ob=4" target="_blank

This one does make me cry.
Diane

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Yes
Quote:
" . . . true emotional intimacy, where two people share the contents of their hearts with all the barriers down. That's very high up on the list of the most beautiful things in life."

Yes
and Yes.

Diane
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:D
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Thanks for reading it Fljots. Glad it was okay.

I told this story late one night to Jackie. We were lying in bed. I think she asked me to tell her a story. I did. It went on for ages. She loved the idea, so did I. In the next few days or weeks I wrote it out. Jackie and I broke up about 10 months later after 5 years. I flew off to Israel and Europe and she was left home with bills and the knowledge that her brother had suicided only 2 months previously. I still feel sick for my actions - regret can bore in at you. I still love her. I've tried other relationships, all to no avail. One day I hope she will come back. One day.


Steven,

The Moshiach is human like any human. He has potential, he can be angered. The only difference is that he is King...

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Ahh... Boss. What can I say?

(((Huge HUG)))
Only just found this video of LC:
http://ca.youtube.com/user/leonardcohen?ob=4" target="_blank

This one does make me cry.
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Diane wrote: Oh! and here I am signed on. Sometimes I think the computer just gets bored and amuses itself with these little games...
I agree! :lol: That's why I'm here at 2.40am...
Diane wrote:Yes, Fljots, if you put it like that. I guess I was not really seeing it that way :roll: :lol: !! I've had a hard day :wink: .

Love, (the friendship kind)

Diane
Likewise... only my day had not been specially hard... due to my age, ya know. :wink:

Meh... takes me ages to say the L-word to people.
Only just found this video of LC:
http://ca.youtube.com/user/leonardcohen?ob=4" target="_blank

This one does make me cry.
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Fljots,

Trust you slept well

Love Boss :D
Diane

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takes me ages to say the L-word to people
Fljots, you're probably right. You know what they say about trusting people you meet online :shock: .

But, I like to throw caution to the wind sometimes.

Love,

Diane

PS Gotta go out, may not be back here until tomorrow or so. See you all again soon x
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I'm looking forward to your return, Diane :D . Have you finally arranged for a Bruce date 8) ? Post-anniversary celebration :wink: ?

The man-woman love expression is far harder to come by with me.....and would never be expressed openly in a public site such as this, as near and dear as some of the folks here are in one sense, and other folks are in another. That's for private times, and so it shall remain :) .

It couldn't be any safer to trust that when I express love here, it is the human, open, unconditional warmth of expressing high regard for another. If it happens to be a man [or a woman :wink: ] to whom I am speaking, it is equally safe to trust that I am not expressing romantic inclinations. Conversely, my not using the word love does not indicate a lack of high regard; only that, in the context of the particular situation and posting, I simply don't feel prompted to use it.

Trust is still another matter that comes into being when exchanges related to risk are made or being considered.

Love,
Lizzy
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