Here in NB gas has gone up to 1.13/litre. For environmental reasons this may be considered good, people may drive less. Here people will still drive the same and incomes will go down as prices skyrocket. Here is a suggestion:
IT HAS BEEN CALCULATED THAT IF EVERYONE IN THE UNITED STATES AND CANADA DID NOT PURCHASE A DROP OF GASOLINE FOR ONE DAY AND ALL AT THE SAME TIME, THE OIL COMPANIES WOULD CHOKE ON THEIR STOCKPILES.
AT THE SAME TIME IT WOULD HIT THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY WITH A NET LOSS OF OVER 4.6 BILLION DOLLARS WHICH AFFECTS THE BOTTOM LINES OF THE OIL COMPANIES.
THEREFORE SEPTEMBER 1st HAS BEEN FORMALLY DECLARED "STICK IT UP THEIR BEHIND " DAY AND THE PEOPLE OF THESE TWO NATIONS SHOULD NOT BUY A SINGLE DROP OF GASOLINE THAT DAY.
WAITING ON THE GOVERNMENT TO STEP IN AND CONTROL THE PRICES IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE REDUCTION AND CONTROL IN PRICES THAT THE ARAB NATIONS PROMISED TWO WEEKS AGO?
REMEMBER ONE THING, NOT ONLY IS THE PRICE OF GASOLINE GOING UP BUT AT THE SAME TIME AIRLINES ARE FORCED TO RAISE THEIR PRICES, TRUCKING COMPANIES ARE FORCED TO RAISE THEIR PRICES WHICH EFFECTS PRICES ON EVERYTHING THAT IS SHIPPED. THINGS LIKE FOOD, CLOTHING, BUILDING MATERIALS, MEDICAL SUPPLIES ETC. WHO PAYS IN THE END? WE DO!
WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE. IF THEY DON'T GET THE MESSAGE AFTER ONE DAY, WE WILL DO IT AGAIN AND AGAIN.
SO DO YOUR PART AND SPREAD THE WORD. MARK YOUR CALENDARS AND MAKE SEPTEMBER 1ST A DAY THAT THE CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES AND CANADA SAY "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH"
Don't buy gas September 1st
Don't buy gas September 1st
Cheers & DLight
Tri-me (tree-mite) Sheldrön
"Doorhinge rhymes with orange" Leonard Cohen
Tri-me (tree-mite) Sheldrön
"Doorhinge rhymes with orange" Leonard Cohen
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Peacemonger
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Hello Tri-me,
I'm willing to acknowledge that oil companies and oil-producing countries can be too greedy.
However, I'm not convinced that the higher price of oil these days is the result solely of manipulation of the prices by greedy producers.
Some experts anticipate that we'll reach peak oil fairly soon, around 2005-2008, and some think we got there a year or two ago. Once we pass peak oil, we'll be using the other half of the oil in the ground--the half that is harder to extract and harder to process. This will be happening as demand for oil continues to grow.
It is possible that the era of cheap oil is drawing to a close. That will have all the consequences you mention, and more--because the whole economy of the U.S. and Canada is based on cheap oil.
There might be some volatility in the price of oil for a while, but I'm betting that we'll see $100 oil before we see $20 oil again. I'm sorry to say this, but I think we should probably enjoy gas at $1.13 while we have it, because the trend is going to be upward rather than downward.
This doesn't have much to do with Leonard Cohen, except that we should probably all be saving up now for the book and the album.
I'm willing to acknowledge that oil companies and oil-producing countries can be too greedy.
However, I'm not convinced that the higher price of oil these days is the result solely of manipulation of the prices by greedy producers.
Some experts anticipate that we'll reach peak oil fairly soon, around 2005-2008, and some think we got there a year or two ago. Once we pass peak oil, we'll be using the other half of the oil in the ground--the half that is harder to extract and harder to process. This will be happening as demand for oil continues to grow.
It is possible that the era of cheap oil is drawing to a close. That will have all the consequences you mention, and more--because the whole economy of the U.S. and Canada is based on cheap oil.
There might be some volatility in the price of oil for a while, but I'm betting that we'll see $100 oil before we see $20 oil again. I'm sorry to say this, but I think we should probably enjoy gas at $1.13 while we have it, because the trend is going to be upward rather than downward.
This doesn't have much to do with Leonard Cohen, except that we should probably all be saving up now for the book and the album.
Gesture politics, what fun. It seems to me that the idea is based on a false premise.It is the use, not the purchase, of gasoline that is the supposed problem. This will not mean any less gas is used. People will simply fill up the day before and the day after. In addition there are no stockpiles, the high prices and the latest hurricane have seen to that.
Tri-me, you once joked here that you were a 'bad Buddhist'. Methinks it was possibly true. You cannot change the world, change comes from within. You seem lost in the dukkha. Perhaps you should return to the path to nibbana?
p.
(who really is not here, this is simply a quirk of fate, so will people please stop emailing me to ask if i am various characters around here, i am not)
Tri-me, you once joked here that you were a 'bad Buddhist'. Methinks it was possibly true. You cannot change the world, change comes from within. You seem lost in the dukkha. Perhaps you should return to the path to nibbana?
p.
(who really is not here, this is simply a quirk of fate, so will people please stop emailing me to ask if i am various characters around here, i am not)
You are right about people gassing up before and after. Change does come from within, but my not owning a car and walking is less than a grain of sand on the big beach. Hopefully the high prices will get people out of their big gas guzzling automobiles. The little ones are appearing on the roads, maybe we need a crisis like the one in the 70's to get people back into smaller vehicles.
Lost in dukkha, maybe when it comes to, hoping I make enough money to pay my bills, avoiding chocolate.........wishing to make the world a better place is not dukkha unless I am obscessed and demanding about it, storming out of meetings with the local auto clubs because they refuse to return to horse and carriage
nibbana? I am not familiar with this. I haven't chosen my study path yet, most likely to choose one that emphasizes practice over study.
We are kepers of the planet and encouraging others to treat the resources with respect is part of it. Our Sakyong Mipham Rinpoche encourages to be environmentally aware. This is part of Buddhism being aware that all our actions have an effect.
If you can go to this site.
http://wwf.ca/HowYouCanHelp/DoNotDrill/donotdrill.asp
Why we need to say NO to drilling in the Arctic
Once again the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge is at risk from oil drilling. Over the past 25 years conservation groups have won the fight against Arctic drilling more than a dozen times. This latest challenge may prove to be different.
Embedded in the Budget Reconciliation Act, which only needs the support of 51 of the 100 senators to pass, new Arctic development legislation would open the door for invasive drilling along the Refuge’s vulnerable coastal plain.
This is potentially disastrous for a number of reasons:
Putting a global treasure at risk
Oil drilling will undoubtedly have a tremendous negative impact on the wildlife that live and migrate to the Refuge. Approximately 130,000 Porcupine Caribou arrive every spring to give birth to 40,000 calves, and drilling poses a very real threat to their reproductive cycle. The Refuge is also essential to polar bears, musk oxen, wolves, grizzly bears and millions of birds that nest and raise young there every summer.
Oil drilling would quickly disturb this delicate ecosystem to the point where it could no longer be used by caribou and other wildlife.
Lost in dukkha, maybe when it comes to, hoping I make enough money to pay my bills, avoiding chocolate.........wishing to make the world a better place is not dukkha unless I am obscessed and demanding about it, storming out of meetings with the local auto clubs because they refuse to return to horse and carriage
nibbana? I am not familiar with this. I haven't chosen my study path yet, most likely to choose one that emphasizes practice over study. We are kepers of the planet and encouraging others to treat the resources with respect is part of it. Our Sakyong Mipham Rinpoche encourages to be environmentally aware. This is part of Buddhism being aware that all our actions have an effect.
If you can go to this site.
http://wwf.ca/HowYouCanHelp/DoNotDrill/donotdrill.asp
Why we need to say NO to drilling in the Arctic
Once again the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge is at risk from oil drilling. Over the past 25 years conservation groups have won the fight against Arctic drilling more than a dozen times. This latest challenge may prove to be different.
Embedded in the Budget Reconciliation Act, which only needs the support of 51 of the 100 senators to pass, new Arctic development legislation would open the door for invasive drilling along the Refuge’s vulnerable coastal plain.
This is potentially disastrous for a number of reasons:
Putting a global treasure at risk
Oil drilling will undoubtedly have a tremendous negative impact on the wildlife that live and migrate to the Refuge. Approximately 130,000 Porcupine Caribou arrive every spring to give birth to 40,000 calves, and drilling poses a very real threat to their reproductive cycle. The Refuge is also essential to polar bears, musk oxen, wolves, grizzly bears and millions of birds that nest and raise young there every summer.
Oil drilling would quickly disturb this delicate ecosystem to the point where it could no longer be used by caribou and other wildlife.
Cheers & DLight
Tri-me (tree-mite) Sheldrön
"Doorhinge rhymes with orange" Leonard Cohen
Tri-me (tree-mite) Sheldrön
"Doorhinge rhymes with orange" Leonard Cohen
I do not own a car either. I was glad to give it up in many ways, but it was a decision of financial necessity rather than one of higher moral purpose. Occasionally i do crave one, but not as much as fried chicken. As you can see, i would make a worse Buddhist than you.
I do not disagree with what you are campaigning for, but i dislike the certainty on either side. There is a risk drilling, and a benefit to be had. There are possible bad consequences in not drilling either, but those are far less easy to see. All the good things we like, even those who extol more green, left-wing, or liberal sentiments, cost money. Health care costs, for example. People rail against the 'oil economy' but there is no other economy out there. Communist Russia needed lots of oil too. I find the notion that we give up all the bad things that come from capitalism and somehow keep the good to be fanciful at best. It is easier it seems to see the enviroment in a hollistic way, but not the world economy.
Noble sentiments, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
p.
(who really hates long posts like this but can't bring himself to delete it)
I do not disagree with what you are campaigning for, but i dislike the certainty on either side. There is a risk drilling, and a benefit to be had. There are possible bad consequences in not drilling either, but those are far less easy to see. All the good things we like, even those who extol more green, left-wing, or liberal sentiments, cost money. Health care costs, for example. People rail against the 'oil economy' but there is no other economy out there. Communist Russia needed lots of oil too. I find the notion that we give up all the bad things that come from capitalism and somehow keep the good to be fanciful at best. It is easier it seems to see the enviroment in a hollistic way, but not the world economy.
Noble sentiments, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
p.
(who really hates long posts like this but can't bring himself to delete it)
I'm glad you didn't delete it, Partisan. On one of your these-days rare forays into the Forum, it seems I'm seeing evidence of some of the benefits coming from your attending law school/university. Well-supported positions; even absent sarcasm and hyperbole. It's good to see this post, albeit long for you.
Interestingly enough [or not
], I haven't suspected you of being one of these imposters. I've figured you've been hard at work studying, and that if you were around, you'd have felt inclined/compelled to comment, on at least some things, as yourself. Keep studying, Partisan. It appears to be agreeing with you and doing you good.
Interestingly enough [or not
], I haven't suspected you of being one of these imposters. I've figured you've been hard at work studying, and that if you were around, you'd have felt inclined/compelled to comment, on at least some things, as yourself. Keep studying, Partisan. It appears to be agreeing with you and doing you good.-
Tchocolatl
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Capitalism could sale anything, be it cars, houses, life styles in accordance with environment, coolers to Eskimos (or Inuits to be politically correct) there is no limit. Capitalism is an elastic system that changed so many times since the first time it was called capitalism and continue to change. Publicity makes people think they need some things to live, things that in fact kill them : be it junk food, plastic surgery, name it. So it could be used as well to enhanced healty goods and services to be sell at the same price then the rest. Markets will not collapse, they would just change, and it could be done very fast in many sorts of ways.
On the other hand, there a very limit to the changes we can do to our SOLE environment.
On the other hand, there a very limit to the changes we can do to our SOLE environment.
The problem sits not with capitalism nor any type of economy. It sits with how much society wants from our Earth. We could wind down in so many ways. We don't need bubblegum, swimming pools, lawn mowers. It's a matter of greed. Until we in the West reduce our intake nothing will be solved. And all others will only try and catch up - and why not?
To have or to be? We're left with this conundrum.
Strange, if ancient Rome or Greece could see us now! Praying to our barrels, our cents per litre
I didn't get petrol today Tri-me
Boss
To have or to be? We're left with this conundrum.
Strange, if ancient Rome or Greece could see us now! Praying to our barrels, our cents per litre
I didn't get petrol today Tri-me
Boss
Yeah Boss. I found the place I was trying to find before http://www.arcosanti.org/expCosanti/arc ... /main.html .
We live is a society of mass consumption and we have to stop. Do I need this or do I want this. I created one month rule, if I want something I wait a month, if I still believe I require it I buy it. Many times I forget I wanted it or realize I don't really need it. HOW DO YOU LIKE ME NOW
We live is a society of mass consumption and we have to stop. Do I need this or do I want this. I created one month rule, if I want something I wait a month, if I still believe I require it I buy it. Many times I forget I wanted it or realize I don't really need it. HOW DO YOU LIKE ME NOW
Cheers & DLight
Tri-me (tree-mite) Sheldrön
"Doorhinge rhymes with orange" Leonard Cohen
Tri-me (tree-mite) Sheldrön
"Doorhinge rhymes with orange" Leonard Cohen
Hi Tink ~
Sorry [well, not really] not to comprehend your/others' simple truth about me. Partisan, however, will know I mean what I said. Perhaps, you've been lurking so long you know the history of the nature of his posts, as well as the history between us. Perhaps, not. At any rate, my comment was directed at Partisan and, contrary to what you think you know, was not patronization. In fact, for me, his posting was a rare treat.
~ Lizzy
Sorry [well, not really] not to comprehend your/others' simple truth about me. Partisan, however, will know I mean what I said. Perhaps, you've been lurking so long you know the history of the nature of his posts, as well as the history between us. Perhaps, not. At any rate, my comment was directed at Partisan and, contrary to what you think you know, was not patronization. In fact, for me, his posting was a rare treat.
~ Lizzy