Leonard mistrusts the French and the Germans? Wow! His stock just went up in my estimation.
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Is Leonard Cohen less than 5 feet tall?
I really would like to know does he snore?
. Where is the glorious defence that will live long in legend and song ?-
Lowly Pawn
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Dear Kush,
A squeak? Try a screech....I've been busy of late, very busy in fact....and have just now landed on this moonscape of derision. From whence doth ye come with such intimate knowledge, Lunamoth? Hmmm...drawn-to-the-flame-of-lunacy might be another way of calling out to such a bearer of glad tidings. Strongly reminiscent of "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned" or a man fired.....such a person needs to be using their real name for accountability purposes.
Don't believe everything you read, hear, or see.
Loyally yours,
Elizabeth [real name]
P.
S.
But hey, for anyone looking for a battle cry ~ "He values loyalty? I say, 'Hang him!'"
For those not of that ilk [this would include me], I say, "Who doesn't value loyalty
? It's rather directly related with unconditional love.......a G..dlike attribute."
A squeak? Try a screech....I've been busy of late, very busy in fact....and have just now landed on this moonscape of derision. From whence doth ye come with such intimate knowledge, Lunamoth? Hmmm...drawn-to-the-flame-of-lunacy might be another way of calling out to such a bearer of glad tidings. Strongly reminiscent of "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned" or a man fired.....such a person needs to be using their real name for accountability purposes.
Don't believe everything you read, hear, or see.
Loyally yours,
Elizabeth [real name]
P.
S.
But hey, for anyone looking for a battle cry ~ "He values loyalty? I say, 'Hang him!'"
For those not of that ilk [this would include me], I say, "Who doesn't value loyalty
? It's rather directly related with unconditional love.......a G..dlike attribute."
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Lowly Pawn
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height matters, yet...
Okay. The height thing is of course of no interest. I'd say 5,6. Anyway. But I found the political diatribe quite interesting, though I strongly reject invoking Hitler. I've always been an advocate of the separation between a man an his art. What we untrustworthy frogs (I'm from montréal) refer to as the "l'oeuvre et l'homme" paradigm. L-F Céline is one the 20th century's greatest writers, though his antisemitic stands pamphlets categorise him as a repugnant bastard. With cohen, the problem, if you will, is less . Sure, he's always had a freaky attitude with religion. I'm no Mount Baldy enthusiast, as I feel it hasn't helped him artistically. LC's stands ahave always been very distant and provocative, though not in a show-off sort of way. He has both great lucidity in his mistrust of mainstreams, and excessively conservative and biased positions on many topics. For example, as a french speaking Québécois (and a very moderate separatist), I've often been hurt by comments on and off stage. But that dopesn't change a iota of my love of his songs. It's a bit different when stands are taken in the songs. He's clearly disgusted by abortion : "trained a hundred women..." "I sing this for the children who are asking to be born", these are not mere abstract images. I also have quite a few itches in The Future and other songs. But still, though I am sometimes personally hurt, I hold no grudge, as he's not running for elections but writing songs and poems. So, sure, in my view, Cohen is sometimes small, but he still is le plus grand poète québécois de tous les temps.
Hope I'm not too boring...
Funny. Though "con" is a French word that would only come to be adopted in quebec in the late sixties. And it doesn't really soud the same...
Thing is that Montreal has a very complicated 20th century history. I'll try to outline it, hop I won't bore anyone. First things first, the jewish comunity. Up to a few decades ago, Montreal's higher classes were thoroughly english-speaking. A few great jewish families were integrated in this patrician group, like the Bronfmans... The city was separated in two, with the french, italian and irish Catholics, mainly workers, on one side, and the english on the other. The jewish comunity, normal folks, not the high society I've mentioned, was more or less situated along the border, on "The Main", rue St-Laurent, with small businesses. You still can eat East-european meats. Growing up with a name like cohen in Montreal in those days was no particular ordeal, with the sad fact, in my opinion, that there was very few contacts between english and french speakers. Montreal was de facto segregated. The french were largely kept into a a state of undereducation and pious reclusion, both by the catholic church and its own political elite. This made for an ignorant lot of poor people, which explains that my beloved leonard's only allusion to them in his books was to say that girls got their teeth out and replaced by dentures as a wedding gift. Now in the sixties, things changed. French Quebecers abrupltly revolted against the catholic church, got educated, and re-created their cultural and political landscape. Never in this evolution was antisemitism a factor. Never. On the contrary, it has never stopped falling as the religious issue, and uneducation, were its main cause of marginal existence. The very few idiots in quebec's sovereignist movements that had a racist point of view have been fought against with dire resolve by the vast majority of liberals. Segregation, however pacified, is always the source of festering misconceptions, and i think leonard has kept his mind very seclusive of the changes and opening-up of the french community. In the fifties and sixties, for example, montreal was a racism-free haven for american jazz musicians. I am enraged by the fact that some very irresponsible people have deliberately worked on projectiong the completely false imagery of a racist french in quebec. One of them was another of my favourite english-speaking montreal jewish artists, the writer Mordecai Richler, who oft wrote blatant lies in the new yorker. I'm no masochist, so it's always painful, this depicting of my society. Anyway, I don't expect anyone to take this little text for cash. It would take much more time and references to convince you, so, you can only take my written word for it: Leonard, on t'aime.
Thing is that Montreal has a very complicated 20th century history. I'll try to outline it, hop I won't bore anyone. First things first, the jewish comunity. Up to a few decades ago, Montreal's higher classes were thoroughly english-speaking. A few great jewish families were integrated in this patrician group, like the Bronfmans... The city was separated in two, with the french, italian and irish Catholics, mainly workers, on one side, and the english on the other. The jewish comunity, normal folks, not the high society I've mentioned, was more or less situated along the border, on "The Main", rue St-Laurent, with small businesses. You still can eat East-european meats. Growing up with a name like cohen in Montreal in those days was no particular ordeal, with the sad fact, in my opinion, that there was very few contacts between english and french speakers. Montreal was de facto segregated. The french were largely kept into a a state of undereducation and pious reclusion, both by the catholic church and its own political elite. This made for an ignorant lot of poor people, which explains that my beloved leonard's only allusion to them in his books was to say that girls got their teeth out and replaced by dentures as a wedding gift. Now in the sixties, things changed. French Quebecers abrupltly revolted against the catholic church, got educated, and re-created their cultural and political landscape. Never in this evolution was antisemitism a factor. Never. On the contrary, it has never stopped falling as the religious issue, and uneducation, were its main cause of marginal existence. The very few idiots in quebec's sovereignist movements that had a racist point of view have been fought against with dire resolve by the vast majority of liberals. Segregation, however pacified, is always the source of festering misconceptions, and i think leonard has kept his mind very seclusive of the changes and opening-up of the french community. In the fifties and sixties, for example, montreal was a racism-free haven for american jazz musicians. I am enraged by the fact that some very irresponsible people have deliberately worked on projectiong the completely false imagery of a racist french in quebec. One of them was another of my favourite english-speaking montreal jewish artists, the writer Mordecai Richler, who oft wrote blatant lies in the new yorker. I'm no masochist, so it's always painful, this depicting of my society. Anyway, I don't expect anyone to take this little text for cash. It would take much more time and references to convince you, so, you can only take my written word for it: Leonard, on t'aime.
