should lesbians adopt children?

Tchocolatl · Post by **Tchocolatl** » Sat Apr 10, 2004 3:55 pm

wassshyurmouswythollywateryungmanne.ChoOoking.

Epurcelly · Post by **Epurcelly** » Sat Apr 10, 2004 7:31 pm

What exactly is holy water? It all seems pretty holy to me...

bee · Post by **bee** » Sat Apr 10, 2004 10:19 pm

If I may say something (because of living in SF and all that

)
as silly it is to hate people, who prefer for love same sex, it looks pretty silly to present the gay relationships as something holy -like it was just all about "love, love love" - it is so far from that. Most of the times there is so much about "money, money, lust, lust, lust" and lots of violence. To paint the picture that gay's all are these loving creatures is silly, also the marriage thing is far from "just love, love, love", - seems to me that the fight goes on about it, not for the reasons it has been presented. More likely it is about the braking the last taboo- marriage. Will it bring the much desired happiness for gay's or- will it bring something else?

peter danielsen · Post by **peter danielsen** » Sat Apr 10, 2004 11:33 pm

actually I believe that the ritual of marriage should leave the church all together. To me the church has no power to bless anyone at all. Only God has this power. Christianity is about God forgiving the sinful humans. He does so through faith. The Idea that the church can bless any relationship is a catholic one, and is based on the premis that the church manage power which it has been granted by God. I dont support this idea, all christians are the church and we can only pray for Gods blessing. This prayer is open for anyone who attend the church.

Peter

bee · Post by **bee** » Sun Apr 11, 2004 12:48 am

Peter, the christians are not the only ones who have the respect for marriage, all the others have same inclinations

once i watched this movie(don't remember the title- was it "passion" or smth. after Balzac or Stendal, in any case, it was French), only at late, very late nighte on cable) it was about this french soldier, from the Napoleon wars in Egipt, somehow he got lost all alone in the desert in Egipt, he met there this tiger or pantera? (the one with nice spots), so the guy completely fell in love with this beast, he painted the spots on himself, he slept with the tiger, he kissed it and carassed, making love, so to speak, (was not shown clearly), but one could imagine what was really going on in that cave, he was also jelous and such, the movie was great and very weird, just on the edge, very well done

So there was this great " love, love, love" (nothing about money or better social status

), but my question now is-may be they shoud have gotten married, cause- just love, love, love

????

peter danielsen · Post by **peter danielsen** » Sun Apr 11, 2004 1:25 am

Well I was speaking about the ritual of marriage in the christian church. Some homosexuals would like to be able to get married in the church, because they see it as a sign of the church blessing their love. My only point is that the church cant do that. It cant bless any love, not the heterosexual love either

Peter

bee · Post by **bee** » Sun Apr 11, 2004 7:30 am

Peter, well, somethin stinks in Denmark, According to dat British dude Shakespeare, if all of u guy's start thinkin like dat, all of u, to de single tiny one kid, den the Shakespeare dude was soo right, and many centuries ago (makes me think, why oh why?)
But, u're right- I myself- don't care for marriage that much anyhow, I've been married twice (loved both times), the first one- dat is- de husband died young, de second- I sent him into exile to Denver, (not Denmark, mind u) juss, look Peter, try once without de blessing, and de second time with de blessing- so after dat- one surely could tell de difference- I could!
I tried both, not bad at all, de second one with de blessing at least did not end with death (oh horror) like de first one, so u see Peter, it all depends on trying hard, not juss assumptions (of course I don't know) may be u have tried both, God bless u for being such a revolutionary- harmano!!!

Tchocolatl · Post by **Tchocolatl** » Mon Apr 12, 2004 8:16 pm

Bee, it is Balzac. And when a short story (seems very different from the movie, however) ends by "It is God without men" I figure there is something holy in the feelings of the narrator and not beasty, bestial.

Ep, I presumed too much, maybe, that this was clear when I said that if you accept people as they are with all their differences you do not need to make them sounds like if they are without flaw of any sorts. Nobody and nothing is perfect. Even if some try harder than others to be "perfect" or want to cling stubbornly to "perfection".

I you want to be honest, you must admit that Bee describes not so badly a certain side of the reality. I was told the same by my gay friend and also that many men would like very much to avoid this lust-lust-lust/money-money-money world and the ghetto, yes, by getting married sometimes. That makes sense to me.

Andrew, I don't understand why the Church is making such a fuss. The institution of marriage is for reproduction first, and first also, to form a couple, and/or the family necessary as the cell of the society on which was based a country, etc. for a certain sort of social order.

The fact that (

) the couple is same sexed should just be regarding as great as long as it is probably the Nature's solution for the problem of Earth human overpoplulation that Culture is not able to recognize.

Unfortunately, the Church seems to had had a hard time regarding material contingencies for a long, looooong time, now.

That returns me to my first questionning.

Will we survive to ourselves? Sorry.

bee · Post by **bee** » Tue Apr 13, 2004 7:12 am

Tchoco- thank u so much for correcting me, have to tell u that lately i do not read any serious literature (may be sometimes some), just looking for anything that would make me laugh, i think sometimes- i'm trough with the serious stuff, but then again, who can be sure about anything these days

? I've been hooked even on Elizabeth George's mystery novels for a while

Tchoco- don't u think that it is juss so good- sometimes to wake up in the middle of the night, start thinkin of smth and just start laughing

(when one puts the comical picture all together, or the words, or sentences?)
Well, ok, about the many subjects u touched in the reply to Epu and Peter- about the gay marriage etc.
Ever strongest objection I've ever heard about the gay marriage actually never came from the priest or smth like that, but from a doctor.
I have this friend (now he's retired) who were a doctor in SF hospital emergency room for 25 years, and in convers. about that sub. he says- no, no, no, I've seen these guys in the e. room with the ass full of broken glass, with the still working vibrator in the ass', or the fist etc. don't say anything about marriage to me! Well, I say nothing more, juss that's what he told me, but as u know, every one is intitled to an opinion

peter danielsen · Post by **peter danielsen** » Tue Apr 13, 2004 1:57 pm

Your friend, the doctor, should listen to the LC song democracy which has the line:
From the fires of the homeless
from the ashes of the gay
democracy is coming to the USA

Tchocolatl · Post by **Tchocolatl** » Tue Apr 13, 2004 3:05 pm

I just drop here quickly, unf. do not have enough time for answering you Bee. Evevybody I kiss-you-good-b. for a few days. I'll come back, do not worry (or do not sight

)

bee · Post by **bee** » Tue Apr 13, 2004 3:36 pm

Peter- u tell dat to my doctor friend, he would not listen to me no more, he says- only thing he still can stand is to watch the birds in his garden, any other thing, he says, makes him puke

(but than again, who can blame him after all

lizzytysh · Post by **lizzytysh** » Tue Apr 13, 2004 3:49 pm

Peter ~

Do you mean the "from the ashes of decay" line

?

~ Lizzy

Paula · Post by **Paula** » Tue Apr 13, 2004 3:52 pm

Another misheard lyric

Altho I think your point is well made Peter

lizzytysh · Post by **lizzytysh** » Tue Apr 13, 2004 4:02 pm

Yes, it works beautifully both ways......that's our Leonard. He may have even heard the mishearing as he wrote it. One never knows

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