This poem was written in response to something Leonard wrote a few years ago. I decided to post it after reading the postings about Is it fair to criticize poetry.
We Are All Good Poets
Too much critical bickering and lack of kindness or understanding. I guess I am too fragile for this. The people who attend my poetry readings are much more generous. k
Good Poet is Gone
Good Poet is Gone
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Changing the world one heart at a time.
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George.Wright
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Poetry as communication
Well said Kathy.
Georges
Georges
I am a right bad ass, dankish prince and I love my Violet to bits.
Hi SongKathy,
Poems, songs, essays, books, etc., I all consider to be a person's "material." Since your name is SongKathy; that you referred to "We Are All Good Poets" as "this poem...;" and in your initial post, saying you were inspired by all these poems and postings, and would have to post some of your poems [plural] about writing, etc. ~ for my purposes referring to what you've shared so far certainly came within the parameters of "material." Material is also what accumulates to, hopefully, the extent that it can be considered a "body of work." You're at least at the plural stage, particularly with songs, as well.
I've always perceived poems, songs, etc. as means of communicating, a type of "conversation," sharing information, and just a way of "talking" with someone/the world/the reading public/generations to follow, even if only to yourself....or reflecting for yourself. The result of that, depending on its format, can still be considered a poem/song/essay/book ~ hence, "material."
With the example of a poem-conversation, when it's shared later, it's out of its original context of on-the-spot, in-the-moment "conversation" and gains additional status as a "poem" vs. "conversation."
Does that help you better in understanding why I used the word? Is it one that you typically don't use or don't hear used? It would have felt awkward ~ and honestly would never have occurred to me ~ to have said, "I look forward to reading some of your own conversations," particularly having read only a single, brief post by you at that point, which referred to what was to come as "poems;" and then that one poem, which you also referred to as that, and as having been written a couple years ago. The only thing that I think I would change would be to add "some [more] of your own material."
I've enjoyed what I've seen of yours and what you've said so far. Now I'm confused
. Does it matter that I referred to it, or other upcoming "stuff," as material? Does that somehow feel/sound too impersonal or sterile to you? I can understand if it does, yet it's a legitimate and common "writing" term, and certainly not intended to undermine the personal-and-alive nature of your ____________ [writing?]. 
Maybe it's a term reserved for those who are published/professional writers [don't know if you are or not] and I'm simply not aware of that! Surely, you know what I meant though, right? Or, maybe not. 
All good things,
Lizzytysh
Poems, songs, essays, books, etc., I all consider to be a person's "material." Since your name is SongKathy; that you referred to "We Are All Good Poets" as "this poem...;" and in your initial post, saying you were inspired by all these poems and postings, and would have to post some of your poems [plural] about writing, etc. ~ for my purposes referring to what you've shared so far certainly came within the parameters of "material." Material is also what accumulates to, hopefully, the extent that it can be considered a "body of work." You're at least at the plural stage, particularly with songs, as well.
I've always perceived poems, songs, etc. as means of communicating, a type of "conversation," sharing information, and just a way of "talking" with someone/the world/the reading public/generations to follow, even if only to yourself....or reflecting for yourself. The result of that, depending on its format, can still be considered a poem/song/essay/book ~ hence, "material."
With the example of a poem-conversation, when it's shared later, it's out of its original context of on-the-spot, in-the-moment "conversation" and gains additional status as a "poem" vs. "conversation."Does that help you better in understanding why I used the word? Is it one that you typically don't use or don't hear used? It would have felt awkward ~ and honestly would never have occurred to me ~ to have said, "I look forward to reading some of your own conversations," particularly having read only a single, brief post by you at that point, which referred to what was to come as "poems;" and then that one poem, which you also referred to as that, and as having been written a couple years ago. The only thing that I think I would change would be to add "some [more] of your own material."
I've enjoyed what I've seen of yours and what you've said so far. Now I'm confused
. Does it matter that I referred to it, or other upcoming "stuff," as material? Does that somehow feel/sound too impersonal or sterile to you? I can understand if it does, yet it's a legitimate and common "writing" term, and certainly not intended to undermine the personal-and-alive nature of your ____________ [writing?]. Maybe it's a term reserved for those who are published/professional writers [don't know if you are or not] and I'm simply not aware of that! Surely, you know what I meant though, right? Or, maybe not. All good things,
Lizzytysh
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To Kathy
Poetry is talking with yourself and wanting to talk to others.
Georges
Georges
I am a right bad ass, dankish prince and I love my Violet to bits.
Hi All,
I was momentarily confused by: "I really look forward to reading some of your own material ~ " Elizabeth. It seemed to 'imply' that what Songcatcher (is it Kathy? I can't check) had posted was 'not' her own.
I tend to refer to an author's output as their 'work'.
I've certainly been enjoying the contribution in this section of the Board.
I'm trying to gather up the courage to post a poem of my own here. After Pete's reference to my critique of his work, it's not easy. Hi, Pete! Got you where I want you now! GBflLsrs!
Peace,
Babz
I was momentarily confused by: "I really look forward to reading some of your own material ~ " Elizabeth. It seemed to 'imply' that what Songcatcher (is it Kathy? I can't check) had posted was 'not' her own.
I tend to refer to an author's output as their 'work'.
I've certainly been enjoying the contribution in this section of the Board.
I'm trying to gather up the courage to post a poem of my own here. After Pete's reference to my critique of his work, it's not easy. Hi, Pete! Got you where I want you now! GBflLsrs!
Peace,
Babz
Duh!
Sorry Kathy! I just watched the film Songcatcher. That's my only excuse! And NOW I see if I go down the page it's quite easy to see the other posts!
Peace
babz
braindead
Peace
babz
braindead
Hi Babz,
Yes, I know what you mean. That's why I corrected myself, adding the word "more," as it had inadvertently gotten left out when I was typing. I knew that it was her poem that followed Leonard's and I really enjoyed it, so was commenting that I looked forward to reading more. As it read, though, it was confusing. My point with the only thing "that....I would change" was to say that, that needed correcting, but in the context of a compliment, I still feel that the word "material" works well enough to remain, as is. I've heard material and work used, interchangeably, enough, for either one to come to mind when I'm writing.
Thanks for your input on it, regardless. Go ahead and post one of your poems. I know that I, for one, would be interested. Ha! So will Pete
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~Lizzytysh
Yes, I know what you mean. That's why I corrected myself, adding the word "more," as it had inadvertently gotten left out when I was typing. I knew that it was her poem that followed Leonard's and I really enjoyed it, so was commenting that I looked forward to reading more. As it read, though, it was confusing. My point with the only thing "that....I would change" was to say that, that needed correcting, but in the context of a compliment, I still feel that the word "material" works well enough to remain, as is. I've heard material and work used, interchangeably, enough, for either one to come to mind when I'm writing.
Thanks for your input on it, regardless. Go ahead and post one of your poems. I know that I, for one, would be interested. Ha! So will Pete
.~Lizzytysh
Good Poets
For Lizzytysh and Bab,
Confusion is a natural state in life. Please so not be afraid to post your poems. Just follow the lead of what I said in this poem and believe that your voice and its style is just as valuable as anyone elses. I love the great variety of it all. i do a lot of poetry reading locally and love all the personal response from the people there. I especially enjoy making people laugh although some of my poems have been known to make them cry too. I'll try to post some more poems soon. Look out, I have written hundreds. Kathy
Confusion is a natural state in life. Please so not be afraid to post your poems. Just follow the lead of what I said in this poem and believe that your voice and its style is just as valuable as anyone elses. I love the great variety of it all. i do a lot of poetry reading locally and love all the personal response from the people there. I especially enjoy making people laugh although some of my poems have been known to make them cry too. I'll try to post some more poems soon. Look out, I have written hundreds. Kathy
Changing the world one heart at a time.
Hi Babz
Ouch!
You must post one of your poems. I have analysed the ones you sent me and after many hours of careful dissection and discovering of hidden nuances and interpretations I have formulated a detailed response. My valued judgement to all is ....... 'excellent'
Anyway, I only referred to your critique of my poems to get you into this part of the forum .
Thankyou for taking the bait
I look forward to your poetry Babz..honest! You have so much to offer here.
Pete
Ouch!
You must post one of your poems. I have analysed the ones you sent me and after many hours of careful dissection and discovering of hidden nuances and interpretations I have formulated a detailed response. My valued judgement to all is ....... 'excellent'
Anyway, I only referred to your critique of my poems to get you into this part of the forum .
Thankyou for taking the bait
I look forward to your poetry Babz..honest! You have so much to offer here.
Pete
Hi SongKathy,
Yes, confusion is natural. Clarification toward understanding is what it's all about [my view]. I'm afraid your invitation will have to bypass me and go straight on to Babz. I enjoy tremendously the poems of others, yet don't write them myself. I also appreciate the wide variety of it all. It's not at all difficult to imagine that you've written hundreds, or that you do readings, making others both laugh and cry. I look forward to it here. Likewise, with Babz's....even if didn't I trust Pete's judgement. OK, Babz.....you're on!
All good things,
Lizzytysh
Yes, confusion is natural. Clarification toward understanding is what it's all about [my view]. I'm afraid your invitation will have to bypass me and go straight on to Babz. I enjoy tremendously the poems of others, yet don't write them myself. I also appreciate the wide variety of it all. It's not at all difficult to imagine that you've written hundreds, or that you do readings, making others both laugh and cry. I look forward to it here. Likewise, with Babz's....even if didn't I trust Pete's judgement. OK, Babz.....you're on!
All good things,
Lizzytysh