What is it about you that makes me talk like an Astronomer?

This is for your own works!!!
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Absolutely, Makera ~

If poetry isn't a form of art, I'm wondering where I've been with my perceptions all this time :wink: . Yes, I agree on free expression in art, in all forms, which is why I feel absolutely that a poem, etc. can be written about anything, from any perspective. However, I as a viewer have the right to express my feelings about how it affects me, from any perspective. I felt sad for the writer of Halloween Poem, for what, it appeared, he had witnessed as a child. If I went to an art museum, I wouldn't stand mute/"hold my tongue" if something created a strong reaction, simply because "it's art." The point of that would be what :wink: ?

I didn't say Ben shouldn't have written it. I didn't say he shouldn't have posted it here. As I knew the likelihood of Ben and others feeling like I'd somehow "ruined the party," with the "aw c'mon now, don't be a dud," as well as the "psychoanalytical" :wink: nature of these responses to me, I did say that I hesitated twice before posting my response here.

I'm well aware of the mirror-perception theory on art :wink: . However, this poem is not a catalytic converter for me. I'm not about to undergo great or small self-discovery/catharsis through it :wink: . I already know where I'm at with that. Saying that I don't like this kind of exploitation [or exploitation period] doesn't mean I have my personal "issues" with it. It does, in my case, mean I've witnessed it, and didn't like seeing it in real life, any more than I liked seeing it "glorified" in this poem.

I expressed how, as a woman, I felt sad reading about the exploitation it represents, re-enforced by its final lines. Simply a guy going for what he can get, and then laughing about it, making fun of the woman. The end justifies the means, and all that follows. Perhaps my sensitivity to it "mirrors" various fields I've worked in, where exploitation of females has been an issue. Or, the much-larger-scale inequity of women in many societies, in general.

However, taking the liberty to call me Moonbeam Sweetheart, after my comments on the poem, was somewhere between presumptuous, derisive, demeaning, condescending, and dismissive, which for me only added to my original perspective, despite its being a take-off on another poem already in existence, elsewhere. In fact, I'd be interested in seeing the original, to compare. Lest you think I missed the cleverness of his using his "pet name" for both of us, I didn't. Does it serve to undermine/invalidate my reaction to its use with me? Or, does it perhaps suggest that he considers all women, despite their perspectives, Moonbeam Sweethearts? In the meantime, I gave my feedback with respect. I'd expect responses to that to be respectful, as well.

~ Elizabeth
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Lizzy~
As I said, only one perspective - as I was sure you already understood; and the only reason for the: :wink: , respectfully of course. :) Your allusion to my 'what?' on the "Halloween Prank" is not quite in context though - if assuming, still, that I was reacting to 'content' instead of the leg-pulling 'claims' of authorship/authenticity, as I've clearly stated.

And, yes, I do understand your sensitivity to the subject matter, from what you have experienced/witnessed, and, that it is your feeling/perception - as you said.
You're right on the "Moonbeam Sweetheart", perhaps that was pushing it. But, I just took it as the friendly joke it was intended to be.

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Hi Makera ~

Actually, I wasn't referring at all to your comments on the Halloween Poem ~ strictly to my own, and that of sadness, the same as to this one, for different reasons, of course ~ though, each in their own way, were ones of exploitation. You didn't even cross my mind, when I mentioned Halloween Poem here.

I don't think it's a "huge," conceptual leap between my perception and the original intent of the poem.

"Pushing it" is understatement, and I haven't even mentioned "Have a laugh and relax and wear your :D face." A simple rereading of both his and my posts to each other should reveal the contrast.

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Ah, Lizzy, I've gotta tell ya that when I first read that "wear your :D face", I couldn't help being reminded of your photo on the BLs gallery - you do have a dazzling and beautiful smile!!... So there! :lol:

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'Good save,' Makera ~ and thank you, of course. However, that's by no means my only face; and I laugh, relax, and wear the others at my choosing, which I clearly wasn't doing at that point. [To be fully accurate, of course, I sometimes laugh, in spite of myself :wink: .]

"So there" back atcha :wink: .

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Post by Moonlight »

Well, I've just read this poem and now, I've got my "stupid" quota for the day.
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