Benicassim update

[textatemp]

Jarkko

Please don't get paranoid that I have joined to apply any pressure to the situation.

Also, there is every point in continuing this discussion, as mentioned in my earlier posts, 1000's of people have bought tickets (and some, flights and accomodation) for FIB to see LC in Spain.

If FIB (and many others) have advertised LC for Benicassim without his authority, then surely his management would have exercised some kind of legal action by now.

I hear from this forum that AEG had the date on their website as well, so that would mean it was originally booked.

Although speculation at this point, rumours are about that LC has cancelled FIB to fit in an extra date at the O2, as this would be financially more beneficial than the festival slot at FIB.

I cannot see this myself as the current logistics do not appear to allow this, unless he switches the Portugal date to 20th July.

Only time will tell if this is true and I suppose we have to wait and see. But if this does appear to be true, then shame on LC for letting those many fans down.

I respect the fact that you run this website out of the goodness of your heart and admire you for this, but you (and others on here) cannot simply shut down a discussion because someone new joins and does not have the same view as the majority of longer term members.

[jarkko]

cannot simply shut down a discussion because someone new joins and does not have the same view as the majority of longer term members.

***that's not the point at all... But this discussion seems to be in a loop, and we all are repeating the same opinions that are not based on complete knowledge, and getting stuck that way is quite fruitless. Let's wait and see what's happening!

[tomsakic]

Re: Berlin/Benicassim shows

to add on Jarkko and Patrice's words: Berlin Waldbuhne organisator (also) started to sell tickets WITHOUT permission from AEG Live. Why not to say this in public?

To call LC personally guilty for "cancellations" of the shows is ridiculous. Also, this is business, music industry. Why personal attacks (on our webmaster) and personal anger.

Leonard's office announced shows until August 3 (with reasonable changes). Rumoured August dates were later moved to possible Fall tour.
As with all August dates the Spanish shows talked for mid-August (ten venues, or so) were also postponed/moved, my wild guess is that Spain simply is postponed for the next leg of the tour.

Berlin of August 30 was very far shot, wasn't it?
I can understand (let's say so) the touts and re-sellers of tickets... But why this way of behaviour from the "serious" people in business?

Tom

[blonde madonna]

First you say this. Which is just plain rude.

I was asking jarkko, not everyone else who responded.

Then you say this after everyone has done their best to answer your concerns.

you (and others on here) cannot simply shut down a discussion because someone new joins and does not have the same view as the majority of longer term members.

I think you're the one contradicting yourself textatemp. Hows about taking your complaints somewhere else if you get no joy here?

[margaret]

textatemp,

I think Leonard and his management have enough to cope with right now than get involved in legal disputes with promoters such as FIB who used his name prematurely in order to sell tickets for their festival. Why not take your complaints to them.

The idea of another 02 concert instead is rather strange. LC must know by now that most his fans do not feel this is a suitable venue for his music.

[textatemp]

textatemp,

I think Leonard and his management have enough to cope with right now than get involved in legal disputes with promoters such as FIB who used his name prematurely in order to sell tickets for their festival. Why not take your complaints to them.

The idea of another 02 concert instead is rather strange. LC must know by now that most his fans do not feel this is a suitable venue for his music.

Hi Margaret.

I'm in Chester too (or very near).

You make two points (above) which I feel you are not in a position to make, nor can you support. They are just your opinion.

1. If FIB have used his name prematurely to sell tickets, surely they are liable to some very severe legal action.

2. 23,000 people have bought tickets for the O2 concert and you surely cannot make that statement on their behalf.

As previously mentioned, I think we just have to wait to see the outcome of this. However, it is difficult not to post when people are making such ridiculous statements like the two above, which are pure personal opinion.

[travisss]

Hi all, I've seen this post about benicassim and I wanna ask some questions:

Why is this show in LC web if wasn't confirmed?
Why is it still there?
Why not to cancel portugal if he wants to play another gig @ O2?
What's the problem with LC playing benicassim?
Why Benicassim doesn't have any news about this cancellation?

Thank you all in advance

Spookaiser tiene almorranas.

[UrPal]

Although speculation at this point, rumours are about that LC has cancelled FIB to fit in an extra date at the O2, as this would be financially more beneficial than the festival slot at FIB.

I cannot see this myself as the current logistics do not appear to allow this, unless he switches the Portugal date to 20th July.

Only time will tell if this is true and I suppose we have to wait and see. But if this does appear to be true, then shame on LC for letting those many fans down.

I'm not saying that you are, textatemp, but you write like a propagandist.

Your assertion assumes:

1. That an artist should do anything to satisfy his fans whatever the cost and inconvenience and on whatever terms a venue offers to afford him the opportunity to perform and however the event organiser behaves in the negotiations; and
2. That it is entirely within the artists control to make the date or not, which is self-evidently not the case in any real world.

The fact is that if a particular gig does not take place it can be for all sorts of reasons (contractual, logistical, whatever) that have nothing to do with the artist choosing not to show up.

In order to "let someone down" you have to have made a promise and be directly responsible for not keeping it.

For example, if we had a lunch appointment and on the way to the restaurant I got knocked down by a bus, you might feel let down. I wouldn't be responsible. The bus would.

The festival organisers are the ones advertising and selling tickets to an unconfirmed date. They are the ones who are making a promise and offer. They are contractually responsible to deliver. If anyone, they will be the ones who have "let fans down" in the sense I define above. If you have an alternative definition then let's hear it.

[textatemp]

Although speculation at this point, rumours are about that LC has cancelled FIB to fit in an extra date at the O2, as this would be financially more beneficial than the festival slot at FIB.

I cannot see this myself as the current logistics do not appear to allow this, unless he switches the Portugal date to 20th July.

Only time will tell if this is true and I suppose we have to wait and see. But if this does appear to be true, then shame on LC for letting those many fans down.

I'm not saying that you are, textatemp, but you write like a propagandist.

Your assertion assumes:

1. That an artist should do anything to satisfy his fans whatever the cost and inconvenience and on whatever terms a venue offers to afford him the opportunity to perform and however the event organiser behaves in the negotiations; and
2. That it is entirely within the artists control to make the date or not, which is self-evidently not the case in any real world.

The fact is that if a particular gig does not take place it can be for all sorts of reasons (contractual, logistical, whatever) that have nothing to do with the artist choosing not to show up.

In order to "let someone down" you have to have made a promise and be directly responsible for not keeping it.

For example, if we had a lunch appointment and on the way to the restaurant I got knocked down by a bus, you might feel let down. I wouldn't be responsible. The bus would.

The festival organisers are the ones advertising and selling tickets to an unconfirmed date. They are the ones who are making a promise and offer. They are contractually responsible to deliver. If anyone, they will be the ones who have "let fans down" in the sense I define above. If you have an alternative definition then let's hear it.

I think you are probably right.

It does look like the festival may be holding out in a bid to attract a replacement.

AEG have taken the slot down off their website, so that supports Jarkko's statement.

However, if we see a second date added at the O2, then fans who have already bought for FIB may feel a little let down by LC, as he ultimately will have the final say on where and when he plays.

[UrPal]

Agreed on the "little let down" bit, and the "little" would be understatement. I'd feel disappointed myself if the gig I'd bought tickets for was pulled and another replaced it.

I wouldn't read that personally devastating turn of events as also fulfilling a rumour that the artist had taken a bigger paycheck on offer though. More often than not these things are down to the complexities of life's rich pageant not quite falling right and almost always without individual culpability.

[textatemp]

Agreed on the "little let down" bit, and the "little" would be understatement. I'd feel disappointed myself if the gig I'd bought tickets for was pulled and another replaced it.

I wouldn't read that personally devastating turn of events as also fulfilling a rumour that the artist had taken a bigger paycheck on offer though. More often than not these things are down to the complexities of life's rich pageant not quite falling right and almost always without individual culpability.

LOL

What, even if he adds the O2 on 18th July and moves Portugal to 20th?

I'm sure a few would have something to say about that.

Anyway. I'm sure all will be revealed in time.

[textatemp]

Agreed on the "little let down" bit, and the "little" would be understatement. I'd feel disappointed myself if the gig I'd bought tickets for was pulled and another replaced it.

I wouldn't read that personally devastating turn of events as also fulfilling a rumour that the artist had taken a bigger paycheck on offer though. More often than not these things are down to the complexities of life's rich pageant not quite falling right and almost always without individual culpability.

23,000 ticket sales at the O2 at £75 a pop generates an extra £1,725,000 direct to the LC tour coffers.

Considering FIB only get 30,000 x say £120 a ticket = £3,600,000 for the entire festival with over 100 acts to pay, I doubt it would have been changed for the reasons you give.

Anyway, as I say. All will soon be revealed.

[UrPal]

I didn't give any reasons. I don't have any. Only suppositions. Same as you.

I find it fascinating that one minute you are acknowledging that the O2 switch rumour seems impossible on logistical grounds and the next you are counting the takings like its stone cold fact.

I personally hope LC is taking a day off enjoying some Mediterranean sun. By then he'll need it. And probably a lot more than the bucks.

[textatemp]

I didn't give any reasons. I don't have any. Only suppositions. Same as you.

I find it fascinating that one minute you are acknowledging that the O2 switch rumour seems impossible on logistical grounds and the next you are counting the takings like its stone cold fact.

I personally hope LC is taking a day off enjoying some Mediterranean sun. By then he'll need it. And probably a lot more than the bucks.

If you read the posts, I said it only appears possible if he adds on the 18th and moves Portugal to the 20th.

[travisss]

Hi all, I've seen this post about benicassim and I wanna ask some questions:

Why is this show in LC web if wasn't confirmed?
Why is it still there?
Why not to cancel portugal if he wants to play another gig @ O2?
What's the problem with LC playing benicassim?
Why Benicassim doesn't have any news about this cancellation?

Thank you all in advance

Spookaiser tiene almorranas.

Sorry, answer my questions, please.