The Knave

[lizzytysh]

Hi Undertow ~

And, interestingly, as you describe Leonard's earlier voice as "thin and weedy," as I listened to him those many years ago, my heart heard his voice as deep, resonant, and all-encompassing. The soul makes itself known.


~ Lizzy

[daka]

Hi Steve

As for the sniping, re: singing

... ?????? whose?. mine??.. where???

Maybe you were referring to this comment below... if so it was meant literally - 'signing' as in sign language' and it was not a mis-spelling.

But where would we all be if Leonard could only sign?

Then Mischievous Mickey started "taking the Mick out of me"!!!

Let me be clear! I love Leonard's singing voice, I might do un-Buddhist things to have that voice, with which I would more than likely do un-monkly things.

You've heard of 'bad hair days'? ... no matter what you do, your hair doesn't work..(experienced or at least admitted more by women).

This is a bad communication day!

At least it's almost over (on this side of the Atlantic)!

daka

[Undertow]

Hi Undertow ~

And, interestingly, as you describe Leonard's earlier voice as "thin and weedy," as I listened to him those many years ago, my heart heard his voice as deep, resonant, and all-encompassing. The soul makes itself known.


~ Lizzy

Interesting indeed, if you listened to Cohens first one or two albums with your ears, Im sure you would agree with me On some of the songs from Songs From A Room, I dont think his voice is as deep and developed as it is now, but rather thinner, not so thick with sexuality. But I totally agree, his lyrics add a deeper dimension to his voice. But this is on a deeper level that just his voice and nothing else.

[lizzytysh]

Hi Undertow ~

I understand your cognitive dissonance on this. I wasn't trying to suggest disagreement with you. I have since listened and heard Leonard's thinner voice [or recording ]. My final sentence was my explanation, however, for how my heart absorbed it all at the time. His was not a light voice, at all, but a profound one and it was the depth I heard. Even now, as I listen to his original Suzanne, I wonder "Depressing!?! How did anyone ever come up with that!?!"


~ Lizzy

[Steven]

Hi Daka,

No, the sniping wasn't yours. Took it for granted that you'd understand the reference
to a mischievous posting that you didn't make ... oops. "Tower Of Song," comes
to mind as a song that Leonard sings "goldenly," as the voice carries the lyrics
so damn well. -- It's "Leonard voice appropriate" (to coin a phrase).

[lazariuk]

I agree it has become one-sided in it's modern day application of the eventually realized non-virtuous nature of the previously presumed pious young fellows.

Point accepted, I took too much poetic license paraphrasing your point.

Those are also your points.

[daka]

Hi Jack

I apologize for misunderstanding and/or incorrectly paraphrasing your points.

(I will trade you a little verbosity for a little succinctness.)

I once organized a training group for psychotherapists, in Toronto, led by a master Gestalt trainer, Gary Yonteff from the L.A. Gestalt Therapy Institute. In that group, Gary was communicating with a lady regarding an 'issue'. He said to her: "You are a high maintenance relationship!" She reacted to his 'point', perceiving it to be a criticism. He then had to explain patiently and precisely that it was only an observational comment and held no value judgment or criticism, and she was eventually satisfied.

I have been pondering my relationship with you and I would say that I also regard it as 'high maintenance', (for me). Something like an old XKE Jaguar (a fine vehicle that needed tuning at every turn).

(Reminds me of a comment made about me by my grandfather, a man who was highly regarded for his wisdom, in Ireland when I was two: He said that I was like a 'finely-tuned instrument'. It wasn't until later in life that the full meaning of that observational comment sunk in... when I was trying to learn how to play the guitar.

(If I don't find my port soon I'll be looking for that other 'port' (the wine).

daka

[friscogrl]

I do not think Suzanne is depressing at all. I think it is a beautiful song with lots of visual imagery to it. But i do think some of his songs can be referred to as "depressing" Such as Dress rehearsal Drag-"Santa Claus has a razor in his mitt and he show s you where to hit". Pretty dark/ And lover lover lover- "My name is covered with filth and shame. When he went to the Yom Kipur War in 1972 he volunteered to fight but it was suggested he sing to the troops instead to which he supposedly replied but my songs are depressing.. I like the depressing songs as well as songs like "Closing Time which is upbeat but supposed to be about the Apocalypse. Frsicogrl

[mickey_one]

the depressing songs are best and as a bonus none of them are depressing for me, let's hear it for empathy.

no sniping, it's mischief. Daka got it right.

but someone else got it wrong, Buckley's Hallelujah is far too pure and I miss the soul or the twinkle of Leonard's singing, which I admire unreservedly, (so no table for me)

goodbye

[lazariuk]

I have been pondering my relationship with you and I would say that I also regard it as 'high maintenance', (for me). Something like an old XKE Jaguar (a fine vehicle that needed tuning at every turn).

Then don't let it concern you. When you regard it more as an old runny cheese it will be more enjoyable and go better with the port.

[Manna]

old runny cheese

Ew.

[daka]

Dear Undertow

I agree with your two selections above but would personally also add Anthem sung by Perla and Julie.

Sean