Try

[daka]

don't sigh
try

(inspired by Jack's succinctness)

daka

[lazariuk]

don't sigh
try
(inspired by Jack's succinctness)

Since you are taking succinctness lessons from me let me point out a few things.
If by try you mean nothing then you have already gone three words over the line. If you are meaning something then what you are pointing to is anything and that is too vast.

If you are suggesting something to help someone learn then you would want them to do something where they would fail. Thats how we learn, and so with that in mine I would write for example:

Don't sigh
Try
to not be
original

Thats not bad eh? I mean it is better than the advertizing signs that con you into thinking that you are the one that can do whats never been done, that can win whats never been won while meantime life outside goes on all around you.

[daka]

don't sigh
try
(inspired by Jack's succinctness)

Since you are taking succinctness lessons from me let me point out a few things.
If by try you mean nothing then you have already gone three words over the line. If you are meaning something then what you are pointing to is anything and that is too vast.

If you are suggesting something to help someone learn then you would want them to do something where they would fail. Thats how we learn, and so with that in mine I would write for example:

Don't sigh
Try
to not be
original

Thats not bad eh? I mean it is better than the advertizing signs that con you into thinking that you are the one that can do whats never been done, that can win whats never been won while meantime life outside goes on all around you.

I like your 'poemita'

Re mine...

admittedly possibly an "in-poem" like an "in-joke" understood really by people in a small group, but this was not the intent.

My guru has taught more than once about the "Oh no! mind and subsequent verbal expression of it... he discourages this mind... to me, sounds like a sigh.

He also constantly encourages us to 'try', instead of being lazy or expecting perfection quickly, or not trying generally, or developing a defeatist attitude.

So perhaps the 'try' word was loaded for me, but vague for others.

just an experiment in succinctness

perhaps the following would be better:

don't sigh
try
to apply
effort

daka

[lazariuk]

My guru .. he discourages this mind...

Has that mind ever become discouraged ?

He also constantly encourages us to 'try', instead of being lazy or expecting perfection quickly, or not trying generally, or developing a defeatist attitude.

I imagine that you would want to be at least sure you are defeated at getting to perfection. Trying can tell you that. Makes sense to me. It would be a pretty hollow defeat if you just take the attitude without the work and the actual experience of being defeated.

don't sigh
try
to apply
effort

It's funny Daka our different takes on some of this stuff. I think that if I was trying to pass on the lesson that I thought your guru was giving you I would write "Try to not apply effort"
It's like something that I would tell my son. "If you want to get really good with playing your drums why don't you try to see if you can do it without practicing"
Kids never listen to their parents anyways but i think that might get him to think.

[daka]

It's funny Daka our different takes on some of this stuff. I think that if I was trying to pass on the lesson that I thought your guru was giving you I would write "Try to not apply effort"
It's like something that I would tell my son. "If you want to get really good with playing your drums why don't you try to see if you can do it without practicing"
Kids never listen to their parents anyways but i think that might get him to think.

Maybe we are just falling into a semantics 'crack'

maybe there are three choices ..(maybe this is a ray of clarifying light)

1 not trying.. apathy.. accept defeat..resignation..
(you wouldn't teach your kid that)

2 trying really hard... too hard
(your son would need years of therapy if you taught him this)

3 trying without excessive effort and excessive expectations, willing to experience whatever results come with gratitude and contentment

Your advice to your son and your dancing lesson for us has paid off for me... (guitar and poetry...not dancing... still waiting for that miracle)... lucky kid you have

daka

[lazariuk]

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1 not trying.. apathy.. accept defeat..resignation..
(you wouldn't teach your kid that)

2 trying really hard... too hard
(your son would need years of therapy if you taught him this)

3 trying without excessive effort and excessive expectations, willing to experience whatever results come with gratitude and contentment

After a pretty serious fall and having to face some pain I got myself a book on breathing. It helped. One of the things I read there was as follows:

The writer said that he was involved in trying to pass on some stuff that came through a specific linage. Each person who passed it on had the opportunity to discard each piece as not worth passing on. He said that the following had survived a very very long line of such opportunities. It was ancient.
He said that it is wise to give a 60% effort to what we are trying to do. I felt that my mind could see the wisdom there but I wanted my body to be able to know it too and so last Christmas I bought myself a gyroscope. I set it in motion and then I push on it with my finger. The gyroscope will always go in a 90% angle from where you apply pressure. If you push on it from the front you will never be perfectly in the middle and there will be a spot where things can go either to the right or the left and it is hard to tell which way it will go. If you want it to go in a specific direction all you need to do is make sure that you are pushing slightly to one side and it will always go in the direction that you want. Always! There are no exceptions.
It is called precession - the effect that moving bodies have on the world around them.

So if anyone were to ever ask me how much effort they need to use to accomplish what they want to accomplish I would probably answer 60 % or so. The rest is accomplished by the rest of universe. I would not tell them to try to find the balance in the middle. That gets way too scary.

[daka]

my guru would probably concur

happy new year
daka

I am being 'kicked out of retreat 'silently' through sequence of curiously similar friend/neighbor/benefactor/family crises where they really need my help.. so I am quite comfortable with my forum activities for now.... let's see what the new year brings... I am just going with the flow........

[Manna]

My favourite version of not trying is fooling around. When I was learning to play guitar and banjo, I spent a lot of time just fooling around. Making up chords, rhythms, strums. And when I learned something on one instrument, I would try it on the other. That's how I became a claw-hammer guitar player.

[Steven]

On the gravestone of Charles Bukowski are the words: "Don't try." The words there
are an enigma, because in his own life he tried, largely without compromise to
keep on writing in ways that made sense to him. -- They could
mean "do," as in a process of full throttle commitment. Or they could mean that
the life he led was not to be taken as a model for others. I don't know what the
words were intended to mean or if they were written by him or his wife.
As for not sighing, a relaxing sigh doesn't get in the way of trying or doing; it just
eases the way.