poetic pearls

Paula · Post by **Paula** » Fri May 02, 2003 3:07 pm

Bryon I believe Muffin the Mule is not illegal in some parts of the Black Country

JTS what is the difference between Kylie and Mo Mowlan ................. about 12 pints

I suddenly realised if you are not British the Black Country looks like a racist comment. It is in fact an area of Britain I have no idea why it is called the Black Country but it is a very close knit community if you get my drift.

Pete · Post by **Pete** » Fri May 02, 2003 7:55 pm

Byron
I'm racking my brain trying to remember which programme Marina was in

Was it Fireball XL5?
My very first record was Fireball XL5 by Don somebody.
I wish I was a spaceman
the fastest guy alive
I'd fly you round the universe
in Fireball XL5

the 'b' side was "'I'm all alone again"

I used to listen to the 'b' side quite often.....in my empty room
... I got used to my empty room.
10 years later I discovered leonard Cohen

Pete

John the Shorts · Post by **John the Shorts** » Sat May 03, 2003 10:33 am

Pete

If I remember right (probably not) Marina was in Stingray (Please correct me if I'm wrong someone)

Paula

I think for me it's the 10 pint mark not the 12 but in anycase MM woulddefinitely be a 10 Pinter (The opposite of an NBR [No Beer Required])

Of course the real problem arises on Saturday morning when the Beer Taxi arrives to collect the NBR you pulled on Friday night and leave a 10 pinter in your bed instead.

JTS (At least it's never been a double-bagger, yet)

Pete · Post by **Pete** » Sat May 03, 2003 1:12 pm

JTS
By jove... I think you're right

the song goes
stingraaaaay stingray
stingraaaaay stingray

Andrew McGeever · Post by **Andrew McGeever** » Sat May 03, 2003 8:51 pm

JTS is right, and this only goes to show what a bunch of sad cases we've all become: I include myself in that respect!

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I recall "Mareeeeeeena, MarEEEEEEEEEEna" on television, when I should have been reading Proust, Tolstoy, or the Beano.
What a wasted youth!
I'm spending my life making up for lost ground

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Yours,
Andrew.

Kush · Post by **Kush** » Wed May 28, 2003 2:32 am

This thread deserves to come to the top with it's original intent.

The dance wants to dance the dancer
But the dancer wants to dance the dance
There's a war between the puppet and the master
Between the master and the puppet-dancer's heart
Have you seen the gunfire flash across the news in the night?
Have you seen the bedroom scene in a ballet?
Oh the dancing can't bear to dance much longer
And soon the puppet will be the dance's master

- Johnny Clegg

witty_owl · Post by **witty_owl** » Wed May 28, 2003 4:51 am

This is a great play on words Kush. Clegg is a very energetic performer. Dance is an integral part of his concerts so I can see why he wrote this. From what album/CD is the source?
Strangely also- the lines brought to me a memory of Stravinsky's Petrushka.

Cheers,

Byron · Post by **Byron** » Wed May 28, 2003 12:19 pm

Kush and witty-owl. I have gone back to the original posting for this thread and find that poetry, literature, lyrics are the starting points for our discussion on words which have had a profound influence on our lives. All I can add to this thread with regard to how my journey through life was altered by the words of another, is the scene from the film from 1966, 'A Man for All Seasons', in which Paul Schofield who plays Sir Thomas Moore, defends his Catholic faith in his 'show trial' brought about by Henry VIII.
The film came at a time when I was questioning my purpose, or reason, for being on this planet, which circles just one, of the millions of stars throughout the Universe. The words hit a chord (pun intended) and set me off on a path of exploration which continues to this day.
I am not defending, or by implication, attacking any other faiths or beliefs. We all travel a personal road and I am simply responding to a question, by saying what it was which 'moved' me along my journey. In fact, evidence of my own personal quest, is placed before you all, in the new thread I have just started about where we want to go when we die. As in what do you want to do with your body at the end of your life. Where do you want to put your mortal remains? The thread is not a device for being morbid, but about the simple decision of what you want to do, or what you want your family to do.
Perhaps I shouldn't have used the word simple. Some people will find the question a difficult one to face up to, whilst others will welcome a chance to focus on the inevitable.
Byron 'sends his regards'.

Kush · Post by **Kush** » Thu May 29, 2003 4:24 am

Byron...I will have respond later to your post after getting the context from previous pages.

Witty_Owl....I've only been hearing Clegg for a few months now (3 albums)and it appears he is one of a handful of artists that will make me obsessively hunt down each album. Like all truly fine musicians, he is virtually unknown here. The lyrics are from 'Heart of The Dancer' from the album 'African Litany'. I have heard much about his high-energy concerts and dances. I find his lyrics very insightful and usually a lesson in some aspect of African culture and history. And occasionally, he throws in a thought-provoking play on words. That was one..here is the other that I have found so far...about the people of South Africa.

Women of salt and earth
They tell the same story
They saw you walking wounded
Wearing rags of glory
But when you rejoiced
They saw you smiling at your rejoicing
When you wept
They saw you smiling at your weeping
And when you smiled
They saw you smiling at your smiling
And you said "That's the way I've survived
These years of dust and blood."

witty_owl · Post by **witty_owl** » Thu May 29, 2003 5:04 pm

Kush, I first encountered Clegg during the 80's. Possibly before Paul Simon proceeded with his project with South African musicians. It was apparent then that he had truly embraced the Zulu music and dance tradition into the rock format. He is very much a pale-face indigenous african!
Interesting remarks on the strength of african women. Similar roles are evident in Australia where Aboriginal women are very much a driving force in securing justice and social reform for the indigenous people here. At times they are up against not only the inertia of white anglo-saxon tradition but the resistance of the aboriginal male culture to change.
Regards,

Kush · Post by **Kush** » Fri May 30, 2003 10:09 pm

Indeed, he has been dubbed "Le Zoulou Blanc" or "The White Zulu".
He has 2-3 more traditional albums composed entirely in the language of Zulus whereas the rest are high-intensity afro-rock in a mix of Zulu and English. And of course a repertoire of african dances.
I think of the lines as somehow portraying working-women in fields and villages ("women of salt and earth") as both the backbone as well as observers and archivists of tumultuous historical events.

witty_owl · Post by **witty_owl** » Tue Jun 03, 2003 6:19 pm

Returning to the original intent- here is a quote from a new David Gilmour song which has caught my attention and compelled me to learn to sing it. During the past few years he has been writing some songs with his partner, Polly Samson so I am unsure if he is the lyricist or melody writer or both. This song is a refreshing divergence from some of the more intense themes of many past floyd songs. Don't get me wrong here I like past floyd but this song seems unexpected for David to write.

Would this do, to make it alright?
While sleep has taken you where I'm out of sight.
I'll make my getaway, time on my own,
search for a better way, to find my way home to your-
smile.

I like the notion of making home to be the expression of a smile on the face of a lover/friend.

Regards,

lizzytysh · Post by **lizzytysh** » Tue Jun 03, 2003 8:19 pm

Not only do I like that notion, as well, Witty Owl, but I continue to experience it.

johann · Post by **johann** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 9:27 am

Susanne,

I hope you will post again. Don't let Witty Owl's harsh words to you keep you away.

witty_owl · Post by **witty_owl** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 3:57 pm

Johann, your comment is probably too little too late. However if you are interested in getting the right angle here try rereading the posts, particularly on page 2. If I have used harsh words they were not directed at Susanne but at the mindset of our species that always has and still continues to committ appalling atrocities against each other and most life forms in the name of righteous belief(god or whatever). This peculiar habit of behaviour that we all indulge in continues to go on without seriously trying to address the root cause while trotting out endless self serving justifications.

Regards,
Witty Owl.