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My Prayer in Pig Latin

Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 12:03 am
by Manna
My Prayer in Pig Latin

dear G-d, if
You’re there and if
I have not offended
Your Holy Ear
with my oft-proclaimed
disbelief
such that
You have silenced my voice
from Your perception and if
You think
(as I do)
that humility may
come
in contrasts,
I beg to ask
for Your help
to know if
it is more humble
of me
to believe in You
or to not believe.

Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 11:03 am
by mat james
You don't have to be humble to see the I in You.

Matj

Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 5:08 am
by Manna
I don't know what you mean, Matj.

Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 7:08 am
by jimbo
no one has toafraid to believe in god because he is already in you presence.he descendedon the discipled on pentecost.john22-23.

WHO BY FIRE. where GIVEN FREELY.THE POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT......


untold .gifts .blessings.foreign
tongue.to teach the nations. THE WORD OF FIRST. CHRIST...IANS
IF YOU THINK thatyou are mana from heaven.then believe it.trust in the divine mercy.have faith.just like me.and.dont beafraid to give what you have too others.cause in giving it is you recieve 1000 xxxxxx deep

IF YOU DOUBDT FAITH.READ SAINT FAUSTINA.
PARTICULARLY HER confersations WITH GOD.
THEY ARE HIGH LIGHED LIKE THIS MESSAGE.
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Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 3:56 pm
by mat james
You don't have to be humble to see the I in You.
Matj

I beg to ask
for Your help
to know if
it is more humble
of me
to believe in You
or to not believe.
Manna

Don't even try to be humble, was my point.
This type of humility is the attitude of slaves.

To recognise your place in the game is a grand thing. So live up to it!

Matj

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 4:35 am
by Manna
mat james wrote:To recognise your place in the game is a grand thing.
As with most poems, there's a lot here that isn't said. In my spiritual life right now, I'm trying to figure out a way that I can have faith. So far the answer is no. I have a desire to believe in G-d, but I haven't been able to convince myself yet. People who do believe seem to draw a great deal of comfort from it. I was explaining this to my sister (somewhat) recently. She does believe, btw, though not in the whole story as written. She said it may be that my disbelief will be helpful to someone else in some way. I've been thinking about that lately, and I think it's helped me reconcile this desire vs. inability faith-conundrum I'm having. So if that's "my place in the game," what can I say but, Amen?

Another part of the idea for me is that I don't know why I can't seem to believe. I can blame myself, meaning maybe I'm too proud to admit there may be a more intelligent, more powerful, higher capacity force/being in the universe than man. I can blame G-d for making me this way. I can blame my parents; people blame their parents for all sorts of things, but I really think they did their best on this one.

Also, religious folk can come off as pretty proud of their faith sometimes.

Well, that's from whence came yon poem.

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:39 am
by mat james
In response to Manna
I'm trying to figure out a way that I can have faith. So far the answer is no.

There are many words thrown around/used in this topic your are tumbling in.
There are many ways to satisfaction.
Words like belief, faith, religion, spirituality and so on. If none of them mean much to you, good. They are only words.

To put it simply, you can believe in honey, have faith that you know what honey is, what it tastes like, smells like looks like only after you have experienced honey. That is logical and fair enough. Until you actually put that honey in your mouth, you do not and cannot really know honey.

All cultures have their own flavoured honey based on the environment the bees operate in. The flavour is affected by the flowers they visit, and, at a certain level all honey is honey.

It is the same with this quest you are on. The age-old quest that seems to go back to the jungle and the trees of ancients. Perhaps it goes back to the amoeba, to the energy latent in star-dust, and the energy latent in you.


To connect with that energy/consciousness, that honey of honeys, is probably where you are headed. There are varied ways of doing that. One popular vehicle/method is meditation, the stilling of thoughts to no thought and emptiness, then waiting and being.
Another method is through exhaustion, like a native dancing around a fire till they drop, or a Dervish dancing in circles till he/she finds their own centre and somehow align it with the centre of all things.
There is the way of love and losing ones way (conscious mind) and falling into a transcendental state of being/consciousness and there are several other ways as well.

If a way is not "given" then you work at one or several of the methods mentioned, and if you are fortunate, a way will be found.

Leonard goes to Buddha school, not to become a Buddhist, but to learn/experience their Way. It is an effective method for a rational man like you. Buddha's name bohdi which I believe means "Reason", his was the way of reason, much the same as Plato's way was also. Plato is another good path to walk on your quest.

The thing, generally speaking, the seeker has to make the effort. By making an effort you somehow create opportunities for forming a relationship/union with that which you seek.
Of course, it could all be madness and illusion. At least the quest is fun and rewarding in that one gets to know themself pretty well and if nothing more, that is a hell of a positive step.
It is also healthy to seek for answers outside your own tradition/religion as somehow, later on, it helps you connect with or understand your inherited "Way" better.

Strive to find your centre
and align it with the centre of all things

enjoy,
Regards, Matj

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:01 pm
by Manna
Thanks Matj.

This has been helpful.
Not that I believe in any of that reading the stars, palm reading, numbers stuff...
But
My life line is fairly short, and then it picks up again. Maybe I'm in for a Cat Stevens...Yusuf experience.

Oh, but I shouldn't be joking about it. And don't worry, I'm not going to elicit a Cat Stevens experience from/for my life.

Fun

Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 1:37 am
by Jimmy O'Connell
Fun

It is so much fun
to believe in G-d
You must try it sometime
try it now
and find out whether
or not
G-d wants you
to believe in Him

L. C.
Book of Longing p 49

Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:36 am
by Manna
Yeah, I know. I've intellectualized the Manna-G~d relationship too much for it to be so simple as a matter of fun.