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surely you must realize the shit is there. and the ignorant misguided youth are blinded in propaganda. it’s fine to think osama bin laden is the leader of iraq. and it’s okay for pagination purposes to believe war blitzkrieg is now. because missing those educational ravines you desire makes you very mad. i know. but the protest of war. hey. we know you truly believe in peace. but is protest your war or your social mingling accord.

read a fucking periodical, asshole. then honk for peace/jesus/love. idealism w/out fact is a yesterday’s bitch.

i ain’t a glorious sun. a giant mind. just sick of seeing beliefs without reason as to just why. like stating: “i like the velvet underground.” ask why & he says nothing. blank stare. blank damn staring security. get a blanket little jimmy.

peace with ignorance. war with ignorance.

get some signs. get your guns. march. march. march. drill. march. march. march. yell your protest. yell your steps. march. march. march. drill. march. march. march.

stop.

because you eat crow & you’ll die jimmy.

Hi Sean ~

"but the protest of war. hey. we know you truly believe in peace. but is protest your war or your social mingling accord."

I'm just not sure whether I was implied in this statement/question or not, with the protest/social mingling linking, so I'll address it just in case. If so, in reading my posting, I can understand how you might have gotten the "social mingling," with my reference to seeing at least one person I knew [possibly two] in the march, and upon arrival at the peace rally, seeing a number of others.

With your [apparently] being new to here, you have no real history of me and how long I've been against the potential of this war and the war-monger attitudes of this current administration. I did not protest in the 60s because the protesters never made the distinction between the soldiers fighting the war, and the politicians/government perpetrating it. I did not want to be seen protesting and linked with an "anti-soldier" attitude, by some soldier home on leave.

I also had no idea that the recent march was taking place, so did not know that people I know were attending, nor is that why I parked and joined. I followed my heart and my conscience in doing that. It was, however, gratifying to see that not only were there a lot of people there, but some I knew, as well, upon my arrival. Living in an area where American flags and bumper stickers and "America is right at any cost" attitudes prevail, it felt good to see that I'm not alone amongst everyone I know in my feelings about this war.

Tears also don't figure in, in my decision to "socially mingle"....nor do they resurface throughout.

So, if your comment was not in reference to my accounting, but a generalized comment in regard to protesters, then I simply want to say that people don't leave their homes to go march simply because they have nothing better to do. A friend of mine gave me the stats on people who show up at such events as ~ 1 who does represents 900, who for one reason or another, never got around to it. In a town such as Gainesville, there are many other things for people to do on a Saturday afternoon. On a personal level, I was in the midst of doing some of mine when I felt compelled to join in the march.

As an added note, one of the women I know who was at the rally and who owns the coffee shop, where I frequent, said she had been given a very hard time by some customers that morning for her "War Is Not the Answer" sign she had posted. After she closed at her regular time, she went up to the V.A. Hospital [Veteran's Administration] to talk with the veterans. She said that not a single one she spoke with agreed with the idea of going to war. She said as a result of her own feelings, her experience that morning, and the feedback she got from the vets, she has decided to post a sign outside her shop that says, "Vet Owned and Operated," as she also has been trained by the U.S. Military and served.
The anti-war sentiments and follow-through are not just idle opinions and actions.

~ Lizzytysh

the poem i wrote had nothing to do with anyone in this forum or their opinions. i wrote this about junior high and high school kids ditching class to "protest war." what i wrote was not in response to anything here.

i wrote this in explanation of the poem i wrote:

"i was watching 60 minutes II last night and they did a rather amusing story on high school student protests. the host compared ditching algebra class to protest outside like giving up brussel sprouts for lent. hahaha. he also brought up the point that protests in the 1960's were done to shut schools down, not just to ditch a class. he talked to a handful of student protesters who knew nothing about the conflict overseas. i know he most likely interviewed many knowledgeable students, but would that be shown on television? HELL FUCKING NO."

please do not take mere words so personally. my apologies.

"And I'm neither left or right
I'm just staying home tonight,
getting lost in that hopeless little screen."
-Leonard Cohen "Democracy"

Lizzytysh, your decision to not protest during the sixties had nothing to do with the fact that a democrat was in office up until 1969 did it?

Party lines/affiliations/beliefs/whatever had zero to do with my reasons for not joining in the protest lines, Linda. I had a dear family friend who came home for R&R's a couple times, the last time saying he wasn't going to make it back this time. Despite all I said denying his statement, he stood firm. His helicopter crashing confirmed his intuition. I also had former classmates there, for whose welfare I was concerned.

I didn't believe in the war itself then [regardless of which party was perpetrating it], anymore than I believe in this war now. However, unlike then, the protests I've seen now are targeting this particular administration [Bush in particular ~ and focusing on the oil aspects, etc.] and I feel the demarcation between government and soldier is much more defined this time around. No matter how against this war people may be, I do not/cannot believe that the soldiers sent to Iraq, upon returning home, will suffer the indignities that the soldiers sent to VietNam did. The latter were jeered, spit upon, etc.

I meant exactly what I said as to why I didn't protest then, and why I feel comfortable being part of a peace rally now. I am also older and have seen much more of how the government operates, both here and abroad.

Thanks for asking, however, in case anyone else read into that as you did.

Sean Mc(?)

In light of the dubious (allegedly) nature of the election I find your quote from "Democracy is Coming" quite amusing.

I think LC summed it up better in the lines:

"There is a war,
between the ones who say that there is
and the ones who say that there isn't.

Why don't you come on back on to the war,
That's right get in,

Why don't you come on back to the war,
It's just beginning"

JTS (I'm drunk so excuse any misquotes diolch yn fawr)