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its4inthemorning wrote:
>G, nice mix of drawings over the past few weeks, I find that I enjoy the variation.
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>Here is an assignment, should you wish to take it on: Can you draw your interpretation of the narrator of Leonard's song "Avalanche"? And maybe as a follow-up, draw your interpretation of who the narrator is speaking to. Why have I selected this song? "Avalanche" is the first Cohen song I ever listened to, and it was the magnet that drew me into experiencing his body of work over all these years.
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hello, its4inthemorning. thanks for the compliment, and yes - variation is the antidote for monotony.

if 'avalanche' is such a powerful magnet to someone, it is difficult to believe that the narrator in that song (and the person to whom they are speaking) would continually avoid being visualised in the listener's imagination. therefore those most qualified to draw any 'interpretations' would be those who have pondered upon the matter. artists do not have a divine gift; their talent comes from practice and perseverance - just like most other things. as henry ford said: "one can do almost anything if one has enthusiasm." :)

portraitists often receive requests for commissioned work - but those not in the business of making money generally prefer to decline such assignments. creating a work according to someone else's wishes can limit the artist's freedom to explore and express ideas. also, there is a risk that the results may not meet expectations, which isn't ideal for either the artist or the client.

for this reason, encouraging people to choose from existing works in a portfolio seems the better way. then what one sees is exactly what one gets, with no risk of misunderstanding or disappointment.

anyway, it was kind of you to write, very appreciated - good to know someone is enjoying these images. you must write again, post a picture or two also :)
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its4inthemorning wrote: Sun Oct 26, 2025 7:38 pm G...

Here is an assignment, should you wish to take it on: Can you draw your interpretation of the narrator of Leonard's song "Avalanche"? And maybe as a follow-up, draw your interpretation of who the narrator is speaking to...

I actually laughed when I saw your "assignment" for Geoffrey -- you picked one of the most cryptic, mystifying, dense songs in Cohen's oeuvre, and somehow expected him to just draw a couple of portraits in interpretation! Geoffrey's a talented artist, but come on -- it's a pretty tall order to ask for a visual interpretation of that song!

I am not even sure that there is one distinct "narrator" and one distinct "person" to whom the narrator is speaking in that song. Maybe there is more than one narrator; and/or maybe the narrator is speaking to more than one person, or to anyone and/or to everyone; and/or maybe the narrator is speaking to himself, and/or to other sides of himself (if it's a "he"). Perhaps it is a fractured personality who is struggling with conflicting notions of selfhood, perhaps including self-loathing and self-grandeur; and/or maybe it's a conflict between "god" and "man/humankind"; and/or it may be "god" as "man/humankind", and/or "man/humankind" as "god"; and/or one delusional/mentally ill person who thinks he's "god"; and/or maybe it's an angst-ridden person lashing out at someone in particular or no-one in particular or at god or at humanity; or maybe the narrator is a narcissist who is verbally abusing (or physically abusing) whomever he is speaking to, and/or maybe the narrator is the abused speaking to the abuser; and/or maybe the narrator and/or the one to whom they are speaking is a personification of misery or depression or anxiety; and/or maybe it's a drug-fuelled nightmare/hallucination; and/or maybe it is all of the above or none of the above or some of the above...

The song is undoubtedly packed full of metaphors, symbolism, allusions (to who-knows-what), and quite possibly drug-fuelled non-sense (we do know that Leonard partook in illicit substances during those years). It's a Leonard Cohen song, after all, and even by his standards, it's a particularly difficult one to decode (if that's even possible).

I am not in the habit of trying to interpret songs (or poems) because I have no idea what they might mean -- often the writers of the songs/poems don't know, either, from what I've read/heard, for they sometimes acknowledge that they can mean different things to different people, or different things to the same person at different times. I prefer to consider songs/poems as things that make me wonder or that make me think or that evoke emotions in me, even if I don't know or understand what the words actually mean (if they have any specific meaning at all). I like to look at things from many different angles, and thus I cannot hear a song/poem and say, "Oh, it's about X", as if it is as simple as that, because it could also be about Z and Q and W and P and any number of other variables that might come to mind at any given moment.

Why don't you, Mr. 4, provide your own (written) interpretation of who the narrator is in Avalanche, and the person to whom they are speaking, if you think that such an endeavour is possible and straightforward -- this place is for writing by members as well as pictures, and so, go for it!
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I never supposed that the assignment was simple or straightforward, but that didn't stop me from asking! Of course, it was not meant as a "test" whose results could be judged, nor as a commissioned work. I asked simply because it occurred to me that, in addition to his artistic skills, G has a keen sense of perception and a vivid imagination, and so I was curious what he might come up with. In retrospect I imagine that, as for many endeavors, art can morph from being fun to being work when an outsider determines the subject.

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LisaLCFan wrote:
>I actually laughed when I saw your "assignment" for Geoffrey . . .

that was good to read! laughter is supposed to be medicine against many ailments. your entire message was actually quite outstanding - breathtaking. it's difficult to fathom how anyone can write on such a level.

>Why don't you, Mr. 4, provide your own (written) interpretation of who the narrator is in Avalanche, and the person to whom they are speaking . . .

such a great idea! it wouldn't need to be a deep analysis, just a simple disclosure of what one sees when one listens to the song. it would be interesting - no matter what words are written.
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>I never supposed that the assignment was simple or straightforward, but that didn't stop me from asking!

and neither should it. comments and questions enrich this place!

>G has a keen sense of perception and a vivid imagination . . .

not sure if that is true, but it's a welcome and generous thought. thank you! :)
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look out kid, they keep it all hid
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Geoffrey wrote: Wed Oct 29, 2025 12:52 am that was good to read! laughter is supposed to be medicine against many ailments. your entire message was actually quite outstanding - breathtaking. it's difficult to fathom how anyone can write on such a level.
Thank you! :D

Geoffrey wrote: Wed Oct 29, 2025 12:52 am george harrison. coloured pencils and software :)
Nice portrait! Here's one of my favourite guitarists, the wonderful Tommy Emmanuel (whom I have introduced here previously), playing a groovin' little instrumental medley in tribute to George Harrison:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxH8t_RzvxA
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>Here's one of my favourite guitarists, the wonderful Tommy Emmanuel (whom I have introduced here previously), playing a groovin' little instrumental medley in tribute to George Harrison:
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>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxH8t_RzvxA

thanks. a very competent musician, and nice to hear him sing a little too. martin guitars have such a rich sound.
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King Charles III - new portrait using digital palette :)
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Geoffrey wrote: Sun Nov 02, 2025 12:55 am King Charles III - new portrait using digital palette :)
Nice portrait of the King,very striking blue eyes. It's not quite as red and fiery as the "official" one by Jonathan Yeo (to say the least), but it is an excellent likeness (as always, with your portraits -- you do seem to have quite a knack for capturing people!). I'm not a monarchist and I find the whole royalty thing a bit outdated (to say the least), but Charles has always done a lot of good for the environment, and I certainly applaud him for that.

On personal artistic matters, I attended an art class last week: embroidery! I thought I'd try a new medium. The class was not very good (the instructor talked about herself nonstop, and hardly taught us anything). But, embroidery is actually quite easy, and of course there are countless videos online to learn more about it (I simply enjoy taking art classes, even if I can learn the stuff on my own). As it turns out, embroidery is also one of the slowest and most tedious media, and so I am not sure if I will ever actually finish a piece of embroidery "art", but if I do, I'll post a pic! :)
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>Nice portrait of the King . . .
>On personal artistic matters . . .
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thank you for writing, lisa. things are too difficult here to respond at the moment, but that could change in a day or two. just wanted to acknowledge your message and tell you it is appreciated. it would sure be lovely to see any embroidery you do, whether 'art' or not. :)
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LisaLCFan wrote:
>Nice portrait of the King,very striking blue eyes. It's not quite as red and fiery as the "official" one by Jonathan Yeo (to say the least), but it is an excellent likeness (as always, with your portraits -- you do seem to have quite a knack for capturing people!). I'm not a monarchist and I find the whole royalty thing a bit outdated (to say the least), but Charles has always done a lot of good for the environment, and I certainly applaud him for that.
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>On personal artistic matters, I attended an art class last week: embroidery! I thought I'd try a new medium. The class was not very good (the instructor talked about herself nonstop, and hardly taught us anything). But, embroidery is actually quite easy, and of course there are countless videos online to learn more about it (I simply enjoy taking art classes, even if I can learn the stuff on my own). As it turns out, embroidery is also one of the slowest and most tedious media, and so I am not sure if I will ever actually finish a piece of embroidery "art", but if I do, I'll post a pic! :)
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I am going to try to start writing without restrictions, like everyone else. If it doesn't work out I'll revert back to the old style.

The portrait of Charles by Yeo is difficult to judge. It reminds me of blood, like in 'The Substance' movie. It was obviously made to shock, an attempt to get his name more known - a cheap trick. On the other hand it is definitely art, much better than a stereotype portrait (like mine) - so there's that.

Regarding the royal family, neither am I a monarchist, although anyone who is entertaining does get my vote - no matter who they are. Yes, Charles has always been occupied with climate and the environment - he seems like quite a decent chap.

The sentence you wrote about your embroidery instructor was funny! I know some people who just talk about themselves as well. Even though I am smiling inwardly, I always listen politely; they have a need to feel interesting, maybe - and we do not all have bundles of social intelligence.

I like the phrase "as it turns out", but don't often hear it. Meryl Streep used it in the movie 'Doubt'.

Anyway, like I said - if you do manage to conquer the art of embroidery it would be great if you would share a picture or two :)

Here is another picture of a local resident done in the same vein as other recent portraits. I have used him as a guinea pig several times. bald people, or those wearing hats, are not difficult.
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Geoffrey wrote: Fri Nov 07, 2025 12:46 am ...I am going to try to start writing without restrictions, like everyone else. If it doesn't work out I'll revert back to the old style.
I am not sure what you mean by, "writing without restrictions, like everyone else". I did notice that you used capital letters in the traditional way in this message, eschewing your usual habit of using all lower-case. Was there anything in particular that prompted this change? (Not that doing so is a problem -- trying new (to oneself) things can be fun!). And, what is "the old style" of which you speak? Your old style? Please clarify.

Geoffrey wrote: Fri Nov 07, 2025 12:46 am ...The portrait of Charles by Yeo is difficult to judge. It reminds me of blood, like in 'The Substance' movie. It was obviously made to shock, an attempt to get his name more known - a cheap trick.
Yes, "difficult to judge". I think that I like it and dislike it at the same time: the boldness of colour is appealing to me, he has captured Charles' face remarkably well, and I like the butterfly, but the excess of red is rather overwhelming and easily evokes some negative connotations (blood, fire...), and that does perhaps cause one to question the motivations of the artist. However, a quick glance at Yeo's online portfolio suggests that his Charles III protrait is similar to other portraits that he's done, and so presumably whoever commissioned him to make it had some idea what they might be getting into!

My favourite "unusual" portrait of a monarch is the one of Holy Roman Emperor Rudolph II by Giuseppe Arcimboldo (1591), which is fabulously bizarre and a delight for the senses, as you can see below! Considering Charles III's affinity for natural and organic food, such a rendering would have been quite fitting for him!
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LisaLCFan wrote:
>I am not sure what you mean by "writing without restrictions . . ."

Avoiding first-person pronouns.

>Was there anything in particular that prompted this change?

A desire to write freely, like most other people.

>Yeo's online portfolio suggests that his Charles III protrait is similar to other portraits that he's done . . .

I didn't know that.

>My favourite "unusual" portrait of a monarch is the one of Holy Roman Emperor Rudolph II . . .

That is indeed an extraordinarily imaginative portrait! Not very flattering for Rudolph II, perhaps - but the artist sure has succeeded in making a memorable picture. :)
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Geoffrey wrote: Sat Nov 08, 2025 2:07 am ...That is indeed an extraordinarily imaginative portrait! Not very flattering for Rudolph II, perhaps - but the artist sure has succeeded in making a memorable picture. :)
It is a wonderful painting, and apparently Rudolph loved it -- he was quite an aficionado of Arcimboldo's work! I have actually seen a few Arcimboldo originals in various art galleries in Europe, similar to the Rudolf portrait -- quite a treat to see them in person!

Thank you for responding to my query regarding your previous comments. I hope that your experiment with written language is liberating for you. When it comes to writing, I have always thought that it is best for people to write in a way that is natural for them, to write words in very much the same way that they would speak them (at least, that's what I do). The best writing (to me) is genuine and organic, coming from within oneself, and not based on what other people might write or how they might write it or even why they might write it. I am not anybody but me, and I can only speak -- and write and think -- for myself, and that's exactly what I do. I see no reason to do or be otherwise! 8)
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