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Leonard, a sleeping bueaty
Suzanne takes you down
well that's her duty

As a child, I was taught
"Respect your elders"
In the Chelsea Hotel
Cohen bowed to Joplin

It was age
it was beauty
Leonard Norman, did his duty

I too know the difference
between wrong and right
First I take the Mourning
Then I take the Knight!

Johnny Goldsmith 2013

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I think that there's something 'fishie' about this 'Johnny'

Unfortunately, Johnny Goldsmith is NOT one of the great ones many forum personas, he is his own self:

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_ ... +goldsmith

dear Cheeto, thank you for clarifying that.

I can see that you haven't posted here in a long time, not to alarm you but .. on occasion people may not be who they seem to be. I believe it is part of a robot experiment, but it's hard to be sure.

In bed - changed my mind

Cate wrote:
.. on occasion people may not be who they seem to be. I believe it is part of a robot experiment, but it's hard to be sure.

Hi Cate, I think you might be right!

oh you were @@@@! very good, I remember asking once why only @@@ Thank you for the bravery and trust you have demonstrated in sharing that.

I think that Masks are an interesting thing – they can allow us do/feel/say things that we may not be as comfortable with under our own best known, day to day mask. If you feel in your heart that you’ve done something wrong, than of course you should ask for forgiveness – I don’t see any wrongness there (I enjoy people in masks), but each of us must follow our own moral compass

I don’t know if you’ve ever been to a masquerade party, but it’s great fun.

(the mask that I sometimes feel guilty about is my 'I'm normal' mask that I wear day to day activities especially at work, I can be guarded in a not so healthy way. )

edited to remove names only

Judy wrote:
Hi Cate, I think you might be right!

Hey Judy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxkjvKBPQjo

Cate wrote:I believe it is part of a robot experiment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bm9ogKlqF24

I love that Jean.
It's so beautiful watching them move over the sand.

To everyone,

What Cate wrote about masks is bullshit. If you go to a Cohen concert, who do you want to see? Donald Duck? Bob Dylan? No. You want to see genuine Leonard Cohen, the real McCoy. And be transfixed by the man and his magic and not any mask. This members' poetry section could be so much more. Instead of being ransacked and taken over by a cluster of hopeless ingrained 'characters', we could really be vibrant. We could discuss and find meaning and grow and make a difference. Now it just looks like some ramshackle used car yard with one king pin and his two offsiders ready to back him under any circumstance. It's like the readers are too scared to participate. Or maybe I have it all wrong. Maybe the readers enjoy their clowns making shitty humour, these morons and their pitiful wit. What's the bet they hail from affluence and they knew only spoiled childhoods. That they were shielded from, or had to deny too much, suffering. That they always rely on their intellect to solve problems, not their hearts and souls. Indeed, what's the bet most Cohenites are from privilege - tertiary educated, Toorak home, the best money can buy. Taxi drivers in Lahore or people who work the markets in Malawi or disability support pensioners in Melbourne would never be privy to such intricate poetry and perfect song, would they? It's all bullshit - this forum, these Cohen groupies who purport to be for the oppressed, but in reality are just a few rich Westerners playing cutesy with word, with clever syntax because they are so terminally bored. Their culture bores them sick. They do nothing to change the world. Nothing. Only scream their guts out for admiration and attention and feed their readers spiced up bourgeois safe crap. You are hypocrites, and you are snobs.

And yes, I know, I am too.

Fuck you all.

[how it should have read - I am deeply sorry to all concerned. Adam]

Dear Cate,

What you wrote about masks is bullshit. If you go to a Cohen concert, who do you want to see? Donald Duck? Bob Dylan? No. You want to see genuine Leonard Cohen, the real McCoy. And be transfixed by the man and his magic and not any mask. This members' poetry section could be so much more. Instead of being ransacked and taken over by a cluster of hopeless ingrained 'characters', we could really be vibrant. We could discuss and find meaning and grow and make a difference. Now it just looks like some ramshackle used car yard with one king pin and his two offsiders ready to back him under any circumstance. It's like the readers are too scared to participate. Or maybe I have it all wrong. Maybe the readers enjoy their clowns making shitty humour, these morons and their pitiful wit. What's the bet they hail from affluence and they knew only spoiled childhoods. That they were shielded from, or had to deny too much, suffering. That they always rely on their intellect to solve problems, not their hearts and souls. Indeed, what's the bet most Cohenites are from privilege - tertiary educated, Toorak home, the best money can buy. Taxi drivers in Lahore or people who work the markets in Malawi or disability support pensioners in Melbourne would never be privy to such intricate poetry and perfect song, would they? It's all bullshit - this forum, these Cohen groupies who purport to be for the oppressed, but in reality are just a few rich Westerners playing cutesy with word, with clever syntax because they are so terminally bored. Their culture bores them sick. They do nothing to change the world. Nothing. Only scream their guts out for admiration and attention and feed their readers spiced up bourgeois safe crap. You are hypocrites, and you are snobs.

And yes, I know, I am too.

Fuck you.

Wow a Dear Cate followed by a 'fuck you' ending ...

I'll agree with the 'safe' thing - and I can only speak for myself not the other snobs and hypocrites. I'm having an issue with 'playing safe', feeling safe with what I'm writing now. Poetry may just be a hobby for me but I have this feeling of obligation or need of it (I feel like it was a friend when I was struggling and somehow it kept me from going to far down) and I'd like to eventually get over that need to feel safe hump.

The question of weather or not I'd like to see Leonard Cohen wearing a mask - well not a Donald Duck one but I've always assumed that I only see of Leonard what he wants me/us to see of him. It could be that, like looks for like, but to me he's always seemed a bit guarded.

As for play in the poetry section - there was a time when both play and poetry co existed, it made for what seemed like a creative space, I arrived towards the end of that time and thought it was great. I really do love when somebody, strangers even, come and post something that they want to share or homages to Leonard (that's actually my favourite). I'm not sure why less people post, it could be as you said that it's (we're) just not welcoming and they're afraid to, or that they don't like what they see here, or that people are choosing to share other places.

the post about masks had been a response to somebody who had confessed to wearing one - I guess it was off, that's okay, I said what felt true to me just as you did above.