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HOW TO SPEAK POETRY

Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:03 am
by Cate
HOW TO SPEAK POETRY

Take the word butterfly. To use this word it is not necessary to make the voice weigh less than an ounce or equip it with small dusty wings. It is not necessary to invent a sunny day or a field of daffodils. It is not necessary to be in love, or to be in love with butterflies. The word butterfly is not a real butterfly. There is the word and there is the butterfly. If you confuse these two items people have the right to laugh at you. Do not make so much of the word. Are you trying to suggest that you love butterflies more perfectly than anyone else, or really understand their nature? The word butterfly is merely data. It is not an opportunity for you to hover, soar, befriend flowers, symbolize beauty and frailty, or in any way impersonate a butterfly. Do not act out words. Never act out words. Never try to leave the floor when you talk about flying. Never close your eyes and jerk your head to one side when you talk about death. Do not fix your burning eyes on me when you speak about love. If you want to impress me when you speak about love put your hand in your pocket or under your dress and play with yourself. If ambition and the hunger for applause have driven you to speak about love you should learn how to do it without disgracing yourself or the material.

What is the expression which the age demands? The age demands no expression whatever. We have seen photographs of bereaved Asian mothers. We are not interested in the agony of your fumbled organs. There is nothing you can show on your face that can match the horror of this time. Do not even try. You will only hold yourself up to the scorn of those who have felt things deeply. We have seen newsreels of humans in the extremities of pain and dislocation. Everyone knows you are eating well and are even being paid to stand up there. You are playing to people who have experienced a catastrophe. This should make you very quiet. Speak the words, convey the data, step aside. Everyone knows you are in pain. You cannot tell the audience everything you know about love in every line of love you speak. Step aside and they will know what you know because you know it already. You have nothing to teach them. You are not more beautiful than they are. You are not wiser. Do not shout at them. Do not force a dry entry. That is bad sex. If you show the lines of your genitals, then deliver what you promise. And remember that people do not really want an acrobat in bed. What is our need? To be close to the natural man, to be close to the natural woman. Do not pretend that you are a beloved singer with a vast loyal audience which has followed the ups and downs of your life to this very moment. The bombs, flame-throwers, and all the shit have destroyed more than just the trees and villages. They have also destroyed the stage. Did you think that your profession would escape the general destruction? There is no more stage. There are no more footlights. You are among the people. Then be modest. Speak the words, convey the data, step aside. Be by yourself. Be in your own room. Do not put yourself on.

This is an interior landscape. It is inside. It is private. Respect the privacy of the material. These pieces were written in silence. The courage of the play is to speak them. The discipline of the play is not to violate them. Let the audience feel your love of privacy even though there is no privacy. Be good whores. The poem is not a slogan. It cannot advertise you. It cannot promote your reputation for sensitivity. You are not a stud. You are not a killer lady. All this junk about the gangsters of love. You are students of discipline. Do not act out the words. The words die when you act them out, they wither, and we are left with nothing but your ambition.

Speak the words with the exact precision with which you would check out a laundry list. Do not become emotional about the lace blouse. Do not get a hard-on when you say panties. Do not get all shivery just because of the towel. The sheets should not provoke a dreamy expression about the eyes. There is no need to weep into the handkerchief. The socks are not there to remind you of strange and distant voyages. It is just your laundry. It is just your clothes. Don't peep through them. Just wear them.

The poem is nothing but information. It is the Constitution of the inner country. If you declaim it and blow it up with noble intentions then you are no better than the politicians whom you despise. You are just someone waving a flag and making the cheapest kind of appeal to a kind of emotional patriotism. Think of the words as science, not as art. They are a report. You are speaking before a meeting of the Explorers' Club of the National Geographic Society. These people know all the risks of mountain climbing. They honour you by taking this for granted. If you rub their faces in it that is an insult to their hospitality. Tell them about the height of the mountain, the equipment you used, be specific about the surfaces and the time it took to scale it. Do not work the audience for gasps ans sighs. If you are worthy of gasps and sighs it will not be from your appreciation of the event but from theirs. It will be in the statistics and not the trembling of the voice or the cutting of the air with your hands. It will be in the data and the quiet organization of your presence.

Avoid the flourish. Do not be afraid to be weak. Do not be ashamed to be tired. You look good when you're tired. You look like you could go on forever. Now come into my arms. You are the image of my beauty.

Leonard Cohen
Death of a Lady's Man
Advice for those of us who attempt to dabble at writing a poem.
I might post the matching commentary later, but to be honest it doesn't really add anything and out of context might seem a little strange.

Re: HOW TO SPEAK POETRY

Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 6:46 am
by mat james
Advice for those of us who attempt to dabble at writing a poem.
It is not about "writing" a poem, Cate. It is about how you "perform" your poem.

"Do not act out words. Never act out words. Never try to leave the floor when you talk about flying. Never close your eyes and jerk your head to one side when you talk about death. Do not fix your burning eyes on me when you speak about love. If you want to impress me when you speak about love put your hand in your pocket or under your dress and play with yourself. If ambition and the hunger for applause have driven you to speak about love you should learn how to do it without disgracing yourself or the material."

"Be a good whore".

Or, "I took my diamonds to the pawnbroker
but that don't make it junk".

It (How to Speak poetry) is a sobering read for a poet and I suggest, lousy/useless advice for most actors.

Re: HOW TO SPEAK POETRY

Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:36 pm
by Cate
:oops:

I'm not sure how I read it any differently Mat - I guess my eyes see what they want to, and I so desperately want to write a poem.
I still did get some tips out of this though.

Cate

Re: HOW TO SPEAK POETRY

Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 3:46 pm
by mat james
and I so desperately want to write a poem.
To write a poem you have to have something to say/tell.
What story/fragment/moment/emotion is it that you wish to tell ?
What do you want to say?
Talk.

Re: HOW TO SPEAK POETRY

Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:32 am
by Cate
mat james wrote:To write a poem you have to have something to say/tell.
What story/fragment/moment/emotion is it that you wish to tell ?
What do you want to say?
Hi Mat,

this was a good response.
It's as simple as that, well at least to start with.

Thank you,

Cate (who's still going to read the hobbit, but might keep out a pen or two, :roll: )

Re: HOW TO SPEAK POETRY

Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 10:16 am
by Silkku
Dear Cate,

I have just read this quote from Nicolas Boileau which, I think, sums up quite well how to write poetry:

'Souvent trop d'abondance appauvrit la matière.
Soyez vif et pressé dans vos narrations;
Soyez riche et pompeux dans vos descriptions.
C'est là qu'il faut des vers étaler l'élégance.
N'y présentez jamais de basse circonstance.'

(Let me know if you need a translation into English.)

The bottom line is that you have to stick to the facts (actions are quick, and have to be mentioned quickly, whilst descriptions can be very detailed). That is also what Leonard Cohen says in 'How to speak poetry': 'The poem is nothing but information. It is the Constitution of the inner country.'

Cheers,

Silkku

Re: HOW TO SPEAK POETRY

Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 5:26 pm
by Cate
Hi Silkku and welcome to the Forum. I liked this very much.

Especially, C'est là qu'il faut des vers étaler l'élégance. It threw me for a bit of a loop, I had to look up des vers and thought, that can't be right, but then it made sense.
He's saying something like, you must still be beautiful even if there are worms all over. (at least that what I think he means)

Yes, this seems to be what Leonard was saying. Don't get lost in the details, you don't need to state the obvious, you don't need to gush. Try to stay true to what your intent is - I think that was Mat's point too.

Cate

Re: HOW TO SPEAK POETRY

Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 4:42 pm
by Silkku
Hi Cate,

I see I need to refresh your French... In this verse, 'vers' means 'verse' and nothing else.

So, what Boileau means by 'C'est là qu'il faut des vers étaler l'élégance' (c'est là qu'il faut bien montrer l'élégance des vers) is that if there is one place in poetry where you can use elegant expressions it is in the descriptions, never in the narrations.
It is also important to note what he says in the last verse ('N'y présentez jamais de basse circonstance.'): these elegant expressions can only be used as long as they are not trivial, or obvious.

Have a nice weekend!

Silkku

Re: HOW TO SPEAK POETRY

Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 5:12 pm
by Cate
:lol: hehe no worms - ehh

You can see then why it threw me for a loop.
I did think it a little weird, but then I thought it must be a metaphor.
I am the result of french classes straight through to the end of high school. I was going to take as an elective, post secondary but had to drop as I was worried about my average - for obvious reasons.

Thanks for explaining,

Cate

Re: HOW TO SPEAK POETRY

Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 12:27 pm
by bobsmith
Thanks for the 3 poems

Re: HOW TO SPEAK POETRY

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:12 pm
by Diane
Thanks for the reminder of this passage, (spammer). Isn't it good to "just" read this piece, without elaboration - as per its instruction about poetry. It's good to read it, and then read it again more slowly. Just read it and know it's true. The thread Carm started with How to Speak Poetry, below, is a favourite because it's a place to copy and rarrange words, and put them in pictures, but not to dissect them, or analyse or discuss "meaning". As Alan Watts said of music, only bad poetry has any meaning.
Cate wrote:I so desperately want to write a poem.
I still did get some tips out of this though.
Cate, since you wrote that, you have had a number of fine successes!