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Include Me Out

Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2003 4:27 am
by eeey
After reading the post about The Leonard Cohen NY2004 Event and getting group discounts for the Sex Museum all I say is "Include me out" !

All I can envision is one long, smutty sniggerfest where everyone tries to top the last dirty joke. What could be more juvenile...or boring.


eeey

Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2003 8:07 am
by jarkko
Hi eeey
don't take the suggestion too seriously - Dick is our Big Joker!
Read the Montreal and Hydra reports to get an idea of the atmosphere at our meetings!
Jarkko

Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2003 10:52 am
by Hallelujah
Lucky he doesnt know about the dwarfs mud wrestling night!

Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2003 11:49 pm
by lizzytysh
eeey ~

Go for coffee with Linda when some of the others go to the Museum :wink: . I can't imagine that everyone will be interested, anyway. However, since separating the sexual, sensual, and erotic from the spiritual, religious, and philosophical with Leonard's work can sometimes require the equivalent of laser surgery, whilst walking backward in a house of mirrors, I would also think that a number will be legitimately interested.....likely including Leonard himself, if he were going to be there.

~ Lizzytysh

Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2003 4:30 pm
by dick
Thanks for understanding Jarkko and Lizzytish

Forgive me for smudging the forum with my account

No intent to snigger at all ...

Dick

Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2003 5:42 am
by Joe Way
I really had to laugh at the idea of Dick and Linda sniggering! I can't think of two more classy people. I went to Hydra for information about Leonard Cohen, but I'm going back to New York for great friends (and a little Cohen, too!)

Joe

Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2003 2:00 pm
by smile
We are mostly sane to a degree on this sight and I think we have the same interest LC we arent all sex weirds :lol:

Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2003 2:36 pm
by Heretic
eeey, i may yet grace the event with my presence.
What other reason do you need to attend?

Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2003 8:32 pm
by Linda
What exactly is a classy person, other than the fact they don't snigger? :)

I would be happy to have coffee with eeey or anyone who wants to join me,if I am the Linda you are referring to, if not count me in.

Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2003 8:58 pm
by lizzytysh
You are the Linda that I'm referring to, Linda. Count you in for coffee and/or the Museum?

You're welcome, Dick......Leonard has long ago "smudged" :? this site. Who better to follow in the footsteps of with this Forum :D ? It seems to me the Museum will be a very interesting side trip, absent sniggering. A very serious exploration into the taboo world of OMG ~ S E X :lol: [that to which we all owe our existence]. I actually will be yard-sale'ing my copy of the Kama Sutra, in that it came [quite unexpectedly] absent any drawings. Totally unlike previous copies I've seen. A picture speaks a thousand words certainly holds true with this book. I appreciate all the historical information that's in this one, but without the accompanying pictures, it's just all too difficult.

Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2003 10:28 pm
by Linda
Coffee, first. I never take anyone's word for anything, I would have to do further research on the museum. But from what I am learning so far I would bet not.
I am not convinced, by what I have read so far, that those interested in the museum, have the right reason for wanting to attend it. By the way what are your reasons for wanting to attend it?

Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 4:34 am
by lizzytysh
Sex is intrigueing, Linda. It's a respectable aspect of our lives. It has historically been treated from one extreme to the other on the attitude/acceptance/integration/socialization continuum, by different societies and during different periods. There's no lack of it in Leonard's work. It is alluded to in numerous ways in various, other popular songs. It's rampant in the film industry and other media. It's often both denegrated and treated in denegrating fashion. It's also celebrated.

The fact that Hallelujah was playing in the background, and that the Kama Sutra is included, are two aspects [in addition to being contrasted to the one in Amsterdam] that cause me to believe that it's more of a historical/cultural retrospective on the issue as a whole. Not an exercise in titillation [leading to sniggering, except by those who would be embarrassed by it, regardless; i.e. the gigglers in movie theatres during sexual scenes ~ a hallmark of our own society's discomfort level with it].

Sex has been at the root of the downfall of societies, world leaders, famous people, religious institutions, marriages, ad infinitum. It's a powerful force to be reckoned with, as well as enjoyed. If treated respectfully, and the account gives me the impression it is, I'm interested in such a unique display. I'm not one for off-colour/"dirty" jokes and never have been. Still, there are those at which I can't help but laugh. You already know my stance regarding Eminem's treatment of it in song. The fact that the museum is on sex does not influence me into thinking negatively about it. I'll know better how I feel once I'm there and see it. Until then, I'm open to the possibilities of learning something, and understanding how the WASP perspective is not necessarily [nor should it be] the norm.

I'm glad to hear you haven't out-of-hand vetoed the idea.

I'm back. Since you haven't replied to this yet, I'm wondering what are your reasons for not wanting to go to the Museum.

Tonite I watched a videotape of a short, TV special on Tina Turner, followed by footage of her performing Live in Amsterdam. Her show is clean. Her singer-dancers are true dancers. She makes high, sexual energy pure fun. Viking Woman ~ Strong Queen of High, Sexual Energy. [Not a title of anything, just the way I see her. At nearly 60, she's truly amazing! Powerful show.] She loves giving to the people who love her. As Leonard does in his intense, controlled, contained and quiet way; Tina does with intensity, control, and pure joy. I laughed when I saw her say [paraphrased] that she doesn't know music, but she knows what [sound] she wants. She lets her musicians, who do know music, have their say because they know music, and then when they do it her way, they see that she was right :lol: . I loved it. If you ever come across the videotape, check it out, and let me know what you think.