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I rarely post I just lurk in the shadows.

Lizzy has got to be one of the most humorless self opinionated people I have ever had the misfortune to encounter. If someone thinks the poems are trash then who is Liz to police the board telling others what they can and can't say. Does she think her opinion is the only one that matters.

I believe she does.

If people don't want an opinion then don't post. If the opinions they get are not favorable tough. YDF is right medication is needed.

I do tend to be more serious than not, Insignificant [you chose the name ], but that's the way of the world.....some are, some aren't.

However, since this thread has had additional posting [of course negative toward me ], I'll take the opportunity to clarify my apology to Miranda by pasting it here, as well. My apologies are very important to me. I don't just throw them around. Sometimes they take awhile; more often they come quickly. I'm usually pretty specific on what they're for; otherwise, they lack meaning. However, when they are cited out-of-context, their relevance is lost.

So, in response to the "hear ye" notice that I had apologized to Miranda, be it duly noted that it was in the nature of a newspaper Correction of an inaccuracy which had occurred. This is one of those issues of principle. My apologizing to Miranda related to being corrected by Vesuvius [for which I duly thanked her for the clarification] on my having erroneously named Miranda as being the one who immediately [key word] took up for Andrew, when I should have named Vesuvius.

The apology was strictly a matter of having attributed this action to the wrong person. The action itself had nothing to do with the basis for my exchanges with Miranda; nor was my apology, for the erroneous citing, in regard to or related in any way to anything that I said to Miranda. The core and the essence of everything I said remains the same and without apology.

"As far as saying I'm sorry for misattributing, that's no problem....I would have been inclined to have immediately done so, had I been trying to establish culpability when I cited it. So, I apologize to Miranda as I would to anyone for misquoting anyone. It's ironic that I had used it to make a point that "was"/would have been actually complimentary toward Miranda.......If I'd known that's what you were going for, I could've done it immediately. Apologizing to someone for mistakenly saying something complimentary toward them [even if it was only due to mistaken identity] just didn't pop up in my line of vision."

Self-opinionated. Is this a bad thing? Whose opinions do you suggest I co-opt.....if I'm to have an opinion, I prefer it to be my own. Thanks for suggesting I do otherwise, but I'll pass on it. I hope you're able to find a good opinion out there, but if all else fails, just go with your own.

~Lizzytysh

Go back to lurking, Insignificant.
If you knew Lizzytysh you'd realise that she is one of the few around here who is not only able to actually recognise a joke and have a good laugh, but she is also one of the very few who can hold a decent conversation and that is precisely because she has definite opinions and not some half baked wishy washy random thoughts that do nothing more than float around tickling one's nose. Mind you, from the sound of things, you may not have the ability to recognise that .

You missed the point here - OPINIONS are allowed - statements of fact from someone unqualified to make the relevant judgements are frowned upon. If someone thinks the poems are bad then they must say exactly that - and not state it as a matter of fact.

Lizzytysh's opinion is not the only one that matters - but yes, her opinion does matter, as does yours and mine and everyone else's - but only if it is clear that it is an opinion.

Jo

damn - accidentally submitted this twice and can't find a delete button
sorry
Jo

Well, it's very hard to argue with Insig. Y.A's logic here. People should be absolutely free to speak their minds without fear of being set upon 'like a starving vulture, a pit-bull gone mad.' Whether one chooses to do so bluntly or in a tactful manner is a different issue and that is the correspondent's choice. And it shouldnt be required to provide reasons (does one give a reason everytime they say they love this or that LC song ?) or to preface each statement with "I think" or "In my opinion". That is a given. And all this is in my opinion....

Jo,

Anyone who thinks for one moment that Lizzytysh "has achieved the expression of her passion in an articulate and well reasoned manner" should immediately go and vote for option G of the poll.

EVERYBODY!

Carte-blanche Announcement!

Run over to the Poetry Section. Tunes and Flowers. Lizzytysh has capitulated.

I WON!

I'm not going to take anybody's side because I'm on everybodys side but I know lizzytysh a little bit and i like her, her posts are sometimes serious but at least she is for real. Lets just quit arguing and relish each other's differences already. mmmkay?

You are on everone's side? And yet, your post is actually a cringing defense of Lizzytysh. Most of the men (with a few notable exceptions) on this site certainly seem to be intimidated by this woman.

Dude look here, i was not put on this earth to live up to your expectations. I am going to say what i want to say from my heart. I like everyone here, i really do and that just happens to include lizzytysh. i can't even understand what the arguement is about here and that is the truth. But i can see that its some kind of arguement. If ya'll wanna argue go ahead, i ain't stopping you. But i will say what i want, where i want and when i want. If my saying i like lizzytysh is some scathing defense (or whatever it was you said like that) of her to you then you misunderstand me. And i understand that you may misunderstand my meaning. Most people look at me like they don't speak my language and for that i am grateful. It filters the plastic ones.

This is the last you will hear from me on the matter.

I like everyone too, that is why I felt Miranda was unjustly attacked.

Johann, I'm well aware that the nuances and subtleties (and I know that's a tautology ) of the English language are difficult to understand, especially when English is not your home language, so I'm not going to split hairs about the splitting of hairs direction this thread has taken .
I've said all I have to say on this subject anyway.

If it means anything - you've gone up several notches in my estimation Wilcotree.

"..intimidated by this woman.."? ...and there lies the crux of the matter, George Gordon - most people, not only men, are intimidated by a strong woman with strong opinions - we've all become so wishy washy, falling over ourselves not to rock the boat, to agree with the majority so that we won't feel so terrribly isolated
... or have we always been like that? Somehow I don't think so - I remember some jolly fine arguments/debates from which both (or more - there are always several opinions) learnt much.

Jo

Ah. There it is. I was searching in the wrong place and finally gave up, trying to relocate the "intimidated-by" comment. I had wanted to respond ~ Now there's a novelette way to try to instigate action......."all male egos to the fore!".

Yes, Jo, I also remember great times of healthy discussion and debate. It was all understood in its proper context and was, in fact, energizing for all concerned. Great coffee and loving goodbyes were enjoyed as part of the process .

Jo, Lizzytysh,

"Strong women with strong opinions".

Known to the rest of Mankind as Harpies. Oh, that you were Sirens instead.