Sadness and Joy in the News

lizzytysh · Post by **lizzytysh** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 11:01 pm

Yes, Tri-me [I've just noticed and read your posting]. Compassion is a necessary quality. You're right on the impossibility of most of these people to have left. Add to that, that if you haven't [for whatever reason] left by a certain point, you cannot. It's too late. You have no choice but to stay.

Young dr. Freud · Post by **Young dr. Freud** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 11:26 pm

Lizzy,

YdF ~ Do you have a crush on me ?

What I have a crush on are your posts. I love them. I love you in the same way that I love Miss Tox in Dombey and Son...with utter devotion. Dickens would have loved you. If he had known you he would have put you in Martin Chuzzlewit. I'm sure of it.

Keep on posting.

YdF

Vince · Post by **Vince** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 11:37 pm

Lizzy, you need a break or you'll make yourself ill.
Life is short and shit happens.

I'm not being unkind.

Tchocolatl · Post by **Tchocolatl** » Sat Sep 03, 2005 1:40 am

Tchoc ~

These are the facts:

Quote:
Elevation: city ground elevation runs from 5 feet (1.5 m) below sea level to 17 feet (5.1m) above.
~ Lizzy

I prefer to continue this here, 'cause Greg's post worth to be continued in the same spirit, in my mind.

Lz,

Indeed it is not all the area that are 8 feet over the sea level. Thanks. More info though : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Orleans%2C_Louisiana

Have a nice "long" week-end.

Tri-me · Post by **Tri-me** » Sat Sep 03, 2005 3:58 pm

Young Dr. Freud, if you don't want a hug how about a corned beef on rye..... with a pickle sometimes a pickle is just a pickle.
Right thinking, right action, right intention does pull weight and does make a difference. Just changing the way you think can change the way you look, and the way people react to you.
What is happening in New Orleans has never happened before in the US, I understand why Lizzy is reacting the way she (you are). If I were in Florida I would be sitting with you, listening to you. I am reading you in the forum. At the end of the day all is how it should be. How we react shows us who we are. Lizzy shows her compassion. Many hugs and kisses to you, you are alive and well. I would take you somewhere that would make you laugh and enjoy yourself.

LaurieAK · Post by **LaurieAK** » Sat Sep 03, 2005 9:01 pm

There is a difference between "compassion" and "self-flagellation." When a pattern of behavior becomes apparent, a rational determination of which is which can be concluded.

As has been stated before, "shit happens." Some of us don't need to own each minute detail and wail to 'feel the pain' while drawing attention towards ourselves in the guise of uber-compassion.

ciao,
Laurie

lizzytysh · Post by **lizzytysh** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 3:50 am

Thank you for your thoughts on the Katrina tragedy, Tri-me. Yes, I agree, I suspect that the vast majority of those who didn't leave, simply could not ~ because they couldn't afford it; because the safe time for doing so had already passed. There were some who chose to stay behind for a variety of reasons. There were those who chose not to go to the Superdome. One man commented that the line was two miles long, when he started out for it. He turned around and went home, deciding that if he was going to die, he'd rather do it with people he knew, who had also stayed behind. It sure doesn't mean they deserve to die.

I listen to people react to it. Today, while busing tables, I overheard a woman talking with a woman preacher. The woman said she'd rather go do something than give money, that at least you'd know where 'it' was going. The preacher nodded and indicated agreement, and then left saying that she was going to church, where they were going to see and decide what they could do. I didn't hear enough of anything the preacher had said because I'd just arrived; however, I could tell that this was the other woman's excuse for doing nothing. However, to confront her on it would've been to probably lose this job that I need right now. So, I waited until I cleared the table next to her and her husband's, and then acted as though I were prepared to be impressed ~ and said, "I overheard you say that you'd rather do something than give money, because at least you'd know where it was going." She said, "Yes, that's right" and looked at me as though expecting me to agree. I said, "So you're going down there to help then?" She said, "Oh, no. I have to work." I said, "Oh, okay. Well, it's better to give money than do nothing," and walked away. I came back about 15 minutes later and said, "You know, you can give non-perishables. They're accepting them for trucking down there now." She unenthusiastically said, "Oh..............really?" I replied, "Yeah, they have gathering centers in town on the main street." She asked would they have a sign out, and I said I was certain they would. I got no feeling that she would be stopping at a store for this any time soon.

Another woman, sitting with two men, at another table said, "Yeah

. They're saying a whole race is being stigmatized by this

." Neither man commented back to her. She added, "Well. I do think that medical help should have come sooner." A little after that, she was talking about looting. "They're complaining that the National Guard is focusing too much on looting instead of helping people. Well, looting is looting!" I wanted to interject, "And dying is dying!" However, this situation didn't allow for making her aware of somewhere that she could contribute goods. Materialism certainly carried more weight.

Thanks for your sensitivity and companionship over the airwaves, Tri-me; and your understanding of how this kind of thing can impact people who aren't there. It's already been said by those in the area that it's impossible to conceive what it's like unless you are there. That's certainly true. Thanks for the hugs and kisses

~ I'm one who can appreciate and accept them. You can't take me anywhere, but here's a laugh just for you

.

Love,
Lizzy

lizzytysh · Post by **lizzytysh** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 3:52 am

Bee and Laurie ~

I just don't find anything worthy of response in your postings; so, other than this, I'm not even going to try to construct one.

~ Lizzy

Tri-me · Post by **Tri-me** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 4:08 am

Canada is asked to send medical supplies to New Orleans
Last Updated Sun, 04 Sep 2005 16:41:32 EDT
CBC News
Canadian government officials said Sunday that U.S. authorities have asked Canada to send beds, blankets, gloves and other medical supplies.
Howard Njoo of Canada's public health agency said the Americans also requested gowns, batteries, needles, surgical dressings, bandages, tongue depressers, bath towels and cloths. "We're certainly going to be looking at possibly supplying more to them as the situation evolves," Njoo said.
He added that Canada might eventually send a mobile hospital to the affected area. When asked for an example of the amount of suuplies Canada was sending, Njoo gave as an example 7,000 disposable blankets and 6,000 pairs of examination gloves.
Canadian government officials also said they would start dispatching 35 divers Sunday to help with the massive rescue effort. One of the divers' tasks would be to inspect levees.
Canada plans to send four ships with emergency supplies and disaster specialists next week. It also promised to pump an extra 91,000 barrels per day of crude oil to the United States to help overcome fuel shortages.
On Saturday, a Canadian air force transport plane flew 27 Red Cross workers to Houston. The Canadian Red Cross said that several hundred volunteers would likely participate in the rescue operation over the next few months.
On Friday, Air Canada sent an aircraft to New Orleans with bottled water and relief supplies. The Air Canada plane will operate shuttle flights to help evacuate people to Texas.

I hope corporate America kicks in big time. I know they will. Having faith in the human race. My Shambhala center did tonglen for the people in New Orleands this morning.

Steven · Post by **Steven** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 4:43 am

Tri-me,

Though I'm not in New Orleans, I thank you for doing the tonglen
practice. I believe it benefits all of us. May all beings be safe,
free from floods, and have experiences that leave them: "Having
faith in the human race."

lizzytysh · Post by **lizzytysh** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 4:45 am

It's being reported that over 50 countries have offered help with this. Given the prevalency of anti-American sentiment worldwide, this is a very impressive number. It even includes Sri Lanka, still in its own state of devastation.

I'm glad to hear that Canada is helping. I'm surprised that the U.S. has asked for Canada's help. I guess they wouldn't feel they were so politically beholden to them for their help? With 50+ countries already having offered, why is it exactly that the U.S. needs to ask?

Yes, many, many corporations could help. An editorial in today's paper suggested that the football league delay its season until December or January, which would open up another whole group of stadiums, nationwide, for housing people. Of course, they have absolutely no privacy in that situation, and other means would be better. Still, there are all those who evacuated early that now need housing, too. What a mess.

linda_lakeside · Post by **linda_lakeside** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 5:10 am

Between Canada and the US, it is definitely political. Very much so. However, at this time the US didn't ask, Paul Martin, our Prime Minister, offered to help. Cuba and Iran have also offered their help. I doubt that they were asked, but offered.

linda_lakeside · Post by **linda_lakeside** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 5:23 am

Here I go again, another post, thereby dodging the edit line. In Tri-me's post, it does indeed say that Canada was asked to send medical supplies. This came on the heels of our PMs offer to send whatever the US needed. At the time of the initial offering, the state of the disaster was such a calamity that it couldn't be determined, at that time, exactly what was needed. Now, that things are becoming more clear, we are indeed sending medical supplies as well as food, water and other necessities.

As for the politics between our two nations, they've been shelved for the duration of this tragedy. I think it's incredible that a nation like Sri Lanka (with its own very recent problems) offered to kick in what they were able. Every little bit counts. In the instance of Cuba's offer of assistance, it would be overwhelming if political 'sour grapes' could be swept away for the common good.

lizzytysh · Post by **lizzytysh** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 5:38 am

Yeah, Linda, those edited lines really are kind of aggravating, aren't they

?

That's good to hear; that it was an initial offer, with a follow-up request.

Yes, Castro offered 1,200 [1,500?] doctors immediately. No word on what the answer was to that. I mentioned it to my neighbour and she responded, "Yeah. And trained where!?!" I was stunned and said, "Who cares trained where? They're doctors!" She said, "Yeah, I guess as long as they can put on a band-aid." I said, "They can certainly do more than that, and it's desperately needed." She agreed with that, at least. But, she also asked what Cuba was going to do for doctors while that many were here. I said they must have enough left, or he wouldn't be offering to send that many. She thought a little and agreed on that, too.

I then thought of the politics between Cuba and the U.S. and offered the possibility that I guess Castro could've inflated the number, knowing the offer would be refused, and thereby make himself look all the better. Now, that she readily agreed with

.

Yes, I'm stunned by Sri Lanka's offer, and Iran's, as well. I wish Bush could look at those offers and change a bit.

bee · Post by **bee** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 10:17 am

Bee and Laurie ~

I just don't find anything worthy of response in your postings; so, other than this, I'm not even going to try to construct one.

~ Lizzy

Ok, Lizzy- what is there of that great value in your postings now? The news, to which every one of us is fully capable of reading, watching, listening to? One can think by ones self about all the tragedy without the prop~ group "Lizzytish" flyers about it, or act, donate or whatever comes to ones mind. As Tchoco once put it- "every one has a heart in ones chest"- there is no need for you to scream "bloody murder"- when we all know, it was a bloody murder hurricane. I'm sitting here, having my bit of tequila and pondering~should I buy some more water and candles, just in case if the big earthquake comes-everybody predicts is going soon to happen in SF. If it comes, we'll deal with it, if I'll be stricken dead as sinner without compassion in your eyes-so be it! Everything is in the sweet Lords hand, as I believe it. We don't live for ever, we all will part from this dear, sweet life.
Still, What Laurie was asking of you, (as I understand it)- don't fuss that much! You know how it is-when the tragedy actor on the stage cries and rolls, and sobs-he's overdoing it~he's left the audience ice cold~ nobody can feel compassion, just the opposite-they're almost ready to say-OK, die bitch, die!
Lizzy- all YdF was asking of you was-just have some style, taste!- that was all!
As for me-if you've worked in my restaurant-harassing customers with your passionate agenda- I would've fired you on spot! What you were doing there was unprofessional and indeed-YdF was right-you truly tried to express your moral superiority!
You are fired, you would have heard these words from me!