Muffins or War

tom.d.stiller · Post by **tom.d.stiller** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 8:34 pm

Byron, I agree.

Troops out! Every day they stay there costs blood. Kills people.

Hey, Mr. Prime Minister,
won't you ask the Queen
if this is just a nightmare,
or do I have to scream?"
(Kevin Coyne, quoted from memory)

tom

Byron · Post by **Byron** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 8:48 pm

Old Soldier.....tell me why, tell me why, why why, why

The sentiment's the same.

Coyne.

linda_lakeside · Post by **linda_lakeside** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 9:03 pm

I'm tempted to post the lyrics to Universal Solider by Buffy St. Marie, but those interested can easily find them.

I like my muffins with cream cheese and a little strawberry jelly, please.

Linda.

lizzytysh · Post by **lizzytysh** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 9:07 pm

Bush's approval rating is also down to 40%, the lowest since.........period. This based on his Katrina response [lack of appropriate leadership]; the deficit we'll have as a result; his continuing on with the tax breaks for the wealthy [which, of course, includes him ~ greed]; and his initiation and handling of the Iraq war [lack of appropriate leadership]. Looks like a few other conversations are taking place around those kitchen tables.

Byron · Post by **Byron** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 9:09 pm

A few weeks ago we sat in the Royal Liverpool Philharmonic Hall and watched Donovan singing Universal Soldier and the whole of the audience joined in and gave him a tremendous ovation at the end of the song. I remember he said something about the song still being ignored by the politicians.

Byron · Post by **Byron** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 9:19 pm

lizzytysh wrote:Yes, Byron. A substantial poll within the last, maybe, two days indicates that 60% of Americans now favour a pull-out. It was in a broadcast just a couple days ago that I heard that there was fighting/killing[?] of some British troops as a result of insurgent infiltration of the new, Iraqi police force. It has been the dismal outcome we long ago were predicting. As you're probably hearing, more and more Americans are realizing all of this.

Insurgents have been infiltrating the Iraqi policeforce for over a year. We have just listened to a report from Basra in which the reporter interviewed several people who confirmed that things were very dangerous and would get worse in Basra. The radio report was actually first broadcast last October.
The problem is that whoever is in the police has to live in the country after the western occupying forces leave. So there is real fear among the ordinary citizens.
2 reporters who wrote pieces for the New York Times and other papers, in which they highlighted the degree of corruption, and power greedy senior Iraqi policemen, were shot dead recently. One was told to get into a car full of uniformed policemen. The interpreter with him was shot several times but she managed to survive the attack, while the reporter was shot dead.
It is becoming a lawless state/State and the sooner we get out of there the better.

lizzytysh · Post by **lizzytysh** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 9:26 pm

I've not heard the indications as to how long the infiltration has been going on, but I did hear about the U.S. reporters being shot dead, but absent the details you've just given.

Yes, these predictions of worsening conditions are not new, either.

The sooner, the better, on the pull-out. I believe Britain will do that much sooner than the U.S. The likelihood is that the U.S. soldier will be the last one standing or lying dead.

linda_lakeside · Post by **linda_lakeside** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 11:13 pm

As a Canadian, I have strong feelings on this issue, as well. We've always had the 'longest unprotected border in the world', with the US, of course. The US is our biggest trading partner. Politically, and economically Canada has much to lose by not siding with the American 'New World order'.

We've already seen trade collapses, economic 'blackmail' and we still hang on, 'officially' not sending troops. Yet, we are under much pressure to show our support. This is, to most Canadians a very frightening thought. Our new Government has not showed us that they have the 'strength' to beat the Americans, and may well 'give in'. We've seen what happened in other countries such as Spain. This war is affecting all of us. If it doesn't stop soon, it never will.

Linda.

linda_lakeside · Post by **linda_lakeside** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 3:26 am

Hmm. Nothing clears a room faster than Canadian politics...... maybe it was the messenger... ... no matter .... there's a MUffin left

Byron · Post by **Byron** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 1:36 pm

That's MY Muffin, I tell you....it's mine

You should try listening to Welsh politics......

Come on Rob....support me in this one please!

linda_lakeside · Post by **linda_lakeside** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 1:42 pm

Welsh politics??? , she said, with the last crumbs of HER muffin falling on her sweater....

Byron · Post by **Byron** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 2:20 pm

We can be serious or humorous in this thread? Yes!

Canada feels a tremendous 'obligation' towards its next door neighbour? Perhaps even a bit of a 'guilt trip' thrown in as well? Because of the power and the strength and perceived protection which the US affords to Canada?

Lots of ???????? here and above, because I'm igorent of your relationship.

The phrase 'apron strings' comes to mind. I don't mean it in a condesending way, but as an attempt to get a handle on how the 2 citizenries see each other. (How often do you read 'citizenries' in your daily meandering through your screen?

)

Imagine we all live in houses in the same road.

One of our neighbours (Iraq) has domestic problems and there is a small riot going on inside his house. The father is a bully and the kids are totally undisciplined, until he he uses corporal/capital punishment. He frightens all of his neighbours and is a law unto himself.

His house sits on top of a large Well. (Water, for the sake of this argument)

Another neighbour who has a big gun and is itching to use it, says he's going to sort the bully out.

The bully is upsetting everyone in the road. He once climbed over his next door neighbour's fence and caused trouble, but we all got together with the police and drove him out of his neighbour's garden.

The neighbour with the big gun shouts at everyone in the road to come and back him up, because he's going to break into the bully's house, take his collection of weapons off him, and give him a good kicking.

Only a few feel obliged to support the neighbour with the big gun. Most want to call for the Police. But the neighbour with the big gun won't listen to caution and goes straight in anyway.

The bully is tied up and shoved into the understairs cupboard.
He hasn't got any weapons and his disfunctional family take the opportunity to drag up old scores to settle, and all hell breaks loose.

The neighbour with the big gun finds he's now the one that the whole of the disfunctional family are attacking. He's being hammered from all sides by the fragmenting family.

He got what he really wanted, which was control of the water well, but he can't sort the publicly announced 'original' problem out, which is a family that doesn't conform to what he thinks is the only way to live.

Question. What should the neighbour with the big gun do now?

Answer? Get the f**k out of his neighbour's house and leave it to the police and the bully's own relatives who live nearby.

It isn't rocket science. It's human society and relationships. It requires a modicum of grey brain cells and a lot more common sense than has been shown up to now.

As a result of the situation, cousins of the disfunctional family are appearing from all over the place to use the situation as an excuse to join in with any 'aggro' that they can. The whole neighbourhood is now being subjected to mayhem from the extended family of the bully's children. Some very, very, old scores are now being settled.

I can't solve the problem. You can't either. We're stuck with it. It's now become a damage limitation exercise with no forseable conclusion.

Bloody neighbours!!!!!

My point is that, Canada is stuck in a very difficult position. Living next door to a neighbour who believes he knows everything, and loves to use his big gun, whether other neighbours agree or not.

We can be serious or humorous in this thread? Yes!

Byron · Post by **Byron** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 2:26 pm

MISS!!!!! she's eaten me muffin......!!!!!!!

I wanted it. It was MY muffin and she's gone and eaten it. It isn't fair!

Exits stage left in a losely fitting, but exquistely created, lavender and purple, 'sulk'!!

Young dr. Freud · Post by **Young dr. Freud** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 2:52 pm

How can you eat anything with that one tooth.

YdF

P.S. And what's up with your eyes.

Byron · Post by **Byron** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 3:02 pm

In the land of the gummy, the one toothed bear is king. Being as how I'm a king, I have someone to do the eating for me. I call him bryon. Just to annoy him.

As for my eyes, you poltroon, they are adapted to work like a blind spot mirror on a car. The blind spot mirror let's you see the parts on the road that are not covered by normal mirrors.

My eyes have been augmentatily ehancedicated to allow me to see the area that normal eyes cannot see.

Unfortunately, they look the wrong way and see the areas that my normal vision has already seen, innit.

So bogoff YDF!!! I've got important decisions to make........

which honey shall I have eaten for me at lunch time?

Muffins or War

Muffins (lightly toasted with perhaps a little strawberry jelly) or a *just* War with not very many casulaties

Muffins (lightly toasted with perhaps a little strawberry jelly) or a just War with not very many casulaties