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It seems that we are dealing with death to be an ordinary part of life, even if it is the last part. With this part, I agree completely.

I can understand when somebody is (I mena really) on the last miles and decides that this is the end of the hellish road. Now. (mercy)

But for the rest, death for a cause or for romantic love, I do believe it is due to an "overheat of the brain". I'm sorry Murat, but terrorists, generally, are well brain whashed by some skilled persons in the art, that is a fact. As for love, some people get intoxicated with love and they are overeacting like if they are under hard drugs. No. I firmly believe that those people would not have commit such an "act of will" if hey had had a chance to cool down and consider other options.

There, I think that other people around could help by being better communicators and negociators. And by caring when one person is in great pain.

For the war, I do not see any good reasons for doing it.

I do believe agressivity is necessary to life. Oh! yes! I do. Not violence - agressivity and violence are two different notions. Cheers guys.

Jurica, with that logic, Hitler or Stalin would be very happy...

Choc, isn't "commiting suicide" better than living in esclavage ? Maybe for those who didn't live under the hard conditions the answer may be no... But "they" are not those, and those are not "them"... So how can they understand each-other ? Perhaps you would change your idea if you had passed 2 years in Guantanama under torture... Wouldn't you ? I don't know, and I am sure you can't know...

Everybody knows that nobody knows....

Jurica, you are candid. I hope. terrorists acts are the weapons of the underdogs (what an ugly term, this, but, ey!). Everytime the terrorist(s) was/were brainwashed and this in order to serve the powerful leaders of their countries. It is not because they are the less powerful these countries, that everything they are doing is all right/good-poor-them. Poor them? You gave them the power Bush has and you'll beg on your knee to get back to this simulacre of democracy you are taken so much for granted. It is not an affair of US being bully and others being victims. Hovewer, it is to the strongest "player" to assure peace, not war, because he has the mean to do it. For the others dogs in regard of war and violence, the other players should... sit on it and lick their left back paw. (?) May I say this? If we can built spaceships satellites, and tutti quanti, we can built a strong and healty communications and negociations, no need for war. Stop kidding with the clubs, you guys.

Murat, torture to be an incitative to suicide? I don't know. I always find very mysterious this side of the human being - that poeple who were tortured under totalitarian governments resisted until they get killed and/or released, but never surrendered (some of them).

I'm thinking, right now about Lise Lesèvre, and what's his name? The Greek guy who was the companion (so to speak he was always in jail, getting tortured) of this Italian journalist who was in love with him and wrote a lot about this affaire. She reported him as a man who loved life more than any men she knew.

I think depression - the contrary of agressivity (or agressivity that is return againts the self) is leading to suicide.

OK. That's all for the agree/desagree person in duty this morning!!

Murat Malay wrote:Jurica, with that logic, Hitler or Stalin would be very happy...

nonsense.

what do Stalin or Hitler have to do with terrorism? they were already rulers and strived to even more power. terrorism was never their method.