Linda, you are not persona non grata with me either.
Love,
Makera
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Byron
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George Wright's, Ben Kelly's, J.Hillenburg's, Ronnie's, Helven's, Bilbao's, poetry contributions are all lacking in some respect. Whether in grammar and/or spelling.
Greta's has "set the high standard." The Poetry Police are back.
There is a lack of literary knowledge in all of us, on the writings of and about;
Zarathustra, Zend Avesta, Cayce, Gibran, Gita, I.Ching, Emily Dickinson, Dylan Thomas, Abraham Lincoln, Lentulus, Josephus, Buddha, Freud, Jung(s), and the Japanese processes of speech.
Poets are advised to get a thesaurus and dictionary, one is advised to change their signature and even given a replacement for their own choice.
Therefore, if it writes like a school ma'am, speaks like a school ma'am, admonishes like a school ma'am, pets and pats on the head like a school ma'am, is "nit-picky" like a school ma'am, lectures like a school ma'am, "doesn't pick up on the English of 'non-speaking foreign' contributers, but saves that for those with no excuse", like a school ma'am, cloys like a school ma'am who craves attention, then in my opinion, it is a
pain in the **se.
Bye bye from mini george.
Greta's has "set the high standard." The Poetry Police are back.
There is a lack of literary knowledge in all of us, on the writings of and about;
Zarathustra, Zend Avesta, Cayce, Gibran, Gita, I.Ching, Emily Dickinson, Dylan Thomas, Abraham Lincoln, Lentulus, Josephus, Buddha, Freud, Jung(s), and the Japanese processes of speech.
Poets are advised to get a thesaurus and dictionary, one is advised to change their signature and even given a replacement for their own choice.
Therefore, if it writes like a school ma'am, speaks like a school ma'am, admonishes like a school ma'am, pets and pats on the head like a school ma'am, is "nit-picky" like a school ma'am, lectures like a school ma'am, "doesn't pick up on the English of 'non-speaking foreign' contributers, but saves that for those with no excuse", like a school ma'am, cloys like a school ma'am who craves attention, then in my opinion, it is a
pain in the **se.
Bye bye from mini george.
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"Bipolar is a roller-coaster ride without a seat belt. One day you're flying with the fireworks; for the next month you're being scraped off the trolley" I said that.
Ah, Vesuvius ~
Here I thought you had actually intended to plumb the depths with your comment when, in reality, "Mary Had A Little Lamb" would have done just as well.
In my country, we use the word as it applies.
Cohen-Fan Profile: You'll never find one.
Some like him for his music. Some like him for his lyrics. Some like him for his voice. Some like him for the "undefinable" total. Some like him for his poetry. Some like him for his prose. Some like him for his literary-weaving. Some could listen exclusively to one song, only, of his and have access to only one album of his, and be every bit as much a "fan" as one who has every song. He could, on that basis alone, be their favourite. Some are so moved in heart and soul, through what he does, that his effect and impact do not require every word to every song. There are Cohen scholars. There are Cohen fans. There are Cohen appreciators. They span languages and all the other "demographics" already listed in another posting.
Why must everything be 'boxed' accordingly. Even if so, which stage of Leonard's life is the 'good' fan to emulate. Shall the "fan" be sexually wanton, as Leonard has been accused of being. If one is not, should they be stripped of their fan status? Perhaps. Give it some thought. Prior to declaring what the 'good' fan would/should be, it's always good to be circumspect in the nature and tone of one's own verbiage, and see where in that prescribed hierarchy one's self will fall.
Leonard is as multi-faceted as the rest of the human beings on earth happen to be. This would include his fans.
~ Lizzytysh
Here I thought you had actually intended to plumb the depths with your comment when, in reality, "Mary Had A Little Lamb" would have done just as well.
In my country, we use the word as it applies.
Cohen-Fan Profile: You'll never find one.
Some like him for his music. Some like him for his lyrics. Some like him for his voice. Some like him for the "undefinable" total. Some like him for his poetry. Some like him for his prose. Some like him for his literary-weaving. Some could listen exclusively to one song, only, of his and have access to only one album of his, and be every bit as much a "fan" as one who has every song. He could, on that basis alone, be their favourite. Some are so moved in heart and soul, through what he does, that his effect and impact do not require every word to every song. There are Cohen scholars. There are Cohen fans. There are Cohen appreciators. They span languages and all the other "demographics" already listed in another posting.
Why must everything be 'boxed' accordingly. Even if so, which stage of Leonard's life is the 'good' fan to emulate. Shall the "fan" be sexually wanton, as Leonard has been accused of being. If one is not, should they be stripped of their fan status? Perhaps. Give it some thought. Prior to declaring what the 'good' fan would/should be, it's always good to be circumspect in the nature and tone of one's own verbiage, and see where in that prescribed hierarchy one's self will fall.
Leonard is as multi-faceted as the rest of the human beings on earth happen to be. This would include his fans.
~ Lizzytysh
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Linda ~ Why do you feel the need to specify what a 'good' fan of Leonard's would/should be?
"This group" sounds rather, tonally akin to "Obviously not." [and not very Leonard-like, at that ~ aren't you a fan?]. Well, thank heaven for a few 'worthy' exceptions who are, eh?
You've automatically marginalized many youth and adults who are nowhere near [yet, if ever] Leonard's personae and ways of being. What about the ones who are a fan of Leonard's for the way he expresses his anger? Would it be incumbent on his older fans to have changed [in the same timeframes and ways] that Leonard changed through the years, to try to mirror his being, so as to maintain their 'good' fan status? As someone I know recently said, "If I was meant to be like him, my name would be Leonard Cohen." Maybe those who don't measure up should preface their expressions of admiration and general comments with, "I'm not a 'good' fan just yet, but I hope to be by next year. I'm still working on myself. I've enrolled in a Dale Carnegie course."
Vesuvius ~ What a mild disappointment on the real application of your analogy.
As for the word, I guess we have the silly notion over here that words come into being for intended usage. By definition, we have noted that the word has broader application than simply for oneself. Odd that you hold the word to being able to turn inward only.
~ Lizzytysh
"This group" sounds rather, tonally akin to "Obviously not."
[and not very Leonard-like, at that ~ aren't you a fan?]. Well, thank heaven for a few 'worthy' exceptions who are, eh? You've automatically marginalized many youth and adults who are nowhere near [yet, if ever] Leonard's personae and ways of being. What about the ones who are a fan of Leonard's for the way he expresses his anger? Would it be incumbent on his older fans to have changed [in the same timeframes and ways] that Leonard changed through the years, to try to mirror his being, so as to maintain their 'good' fan status? As someone I know recently said, "If I was meant to be like him, my name would be Leonard Cohen." Maybe those who don't measure up should preface their expressions of admiration and general comments with, "I'm not a 'good' fan just yet, but I hope to be by next year. I'm still working on myself. I've enrolled in a Dale Carnegie course."
Vesuvius ~ What a mild disappointment on the real application of your analogy.
As for the word, I guess we have the silly notion over here that words come into being for intended usage. By definition, we have noted that the word has broader application than simply for oneself. Odd that you hold the word to being able to turn inward only.
~ Lizzytysh
WWLD
Perhaps we should all simply adapt the U.S., Christian, contemporary, possibly-'fad' slogan from here on out, and screen our views and opinions accordingly with WWLD ~ "What Would Leonard Do?" Then, we'll know our 'fan' status to be secure.
Anecdotal Reality:
Leonard Cohen became my favourite singer/songwriter/music designer immediately upon my hearing his initial album. He has never lost this status. I do not feel it necessary to cite my knowledge of his various works in order to maintain my status in relationship to him; nor do I need to feel apologetic for my lack of knowledge of any particular thing, or group of things, that he's created; nor do I feel compelled to increase my knowledge of his works in order to maintain my status.
Where he reaches me has nothing to do with a linear acquisition of knowledge. It can add to my appreciation, but it's not prerequisite to justify it. Even if I had never heard any more than his first album, he would forever remain my favourite. That's the nature of heart and soul, when someone touches and moves you. A comprehensive playlist or anthology are not required.
~ Elizabeth
Leonard Cohen became my favourite singer/songwriter/music designer immediately upon my hearing his initial album. He has never lost this status. I do not feel it necessary to cite my knowledge of his various works in order to maintain my status in relationship to him; nor do I need to feel apologetic for my lack of knowledge of any particular thing, or group of things, that he's created; nor do I feel compelled to increase my knowledge of his works in order to maintain my status.
Where he reaches me has nothing to do with a linear acquisition of knowledge. It can add to my appreciation, but it's not prerequisite to justify it. Even if I had never heard any more than his first album, he would forever remain my favourite. That's the nature of heart and soul, when someone touches and moves you. A comprehensive playlist or anthology are not required.
~ Elizabeth
Linda, thank you for the kind words. I feel a bit embarrassed at the way the debate has developed 
I think a few comments have been taken a bit too seriously and some have tried to denegrate other members opinions, lack of literary knowledge, or even poetic efforts, such as telling George to use a dictionary etc. M., please leave George be, he is not writing professionally, just as and when he feels inspired by something.
We are all individuals who happen to share one, or several, common interests here, but can never expect to agree on everything. Let's try not to fall out about it
I think a few comments have been taken a bit too seriously and some have tried to denegrate other members opinions, lack of literary knowledge, or even poetic efforts, such as telling George to use a dictionary etc. M., please leave George be, he is not writing professionally, just as and when he feels inspired by something.
We are all individuals who happen to share one, or several, common interests here, but can never expect to agree on everything. Let's try not to fall out about it
Ah, Ves.....Of course! What a silly notion, on my part, to even consider it might mean anything else ~ thanks for the clarification .
Ah, again, Ves.....I guess you've opened your own private practice, and hung out your shingle, too, then......or have you partnered on it, putting all this knowledge of human motives, intention, and behaviour to its best possible use ?
~ Lizzytysh
. Ah, again, Ves.....I guess you've opened your own private practice, and hung out your shingle, too, then......or have you partnered on it, putting all this knowledge of human motives, intention, and behaviour to its best possible use
? ~ Lizzytysh
Well, my needs fall in different arenas than here, as well, Linda.....so why have you asked why all of us "feel the need" to defend ourselves? How can you have any idea of how all of us are feeling?
Stating specific expectations of how "a true Leonard Cohen fan would be," in conjunction with your naming specific ones [one and then the other] "that LC can be proud of" has created friction because you've done two things by implication [perhaps the "politics of exclusion"] ~ that the rest aren't "true" ones, and that the others, somehow, are "less than" and ones that LC wouldn't be proud of, or gosh, maybe even ashamed of.
It's not that you set any standards.....but comments of that nature are divisive, when openly stated within a group; and it does come across as though you do think that you can set the standards, which we know better than, of course, yet the effect is more that of having broadsided the rest.
You inadvertently [or directly] insult when you say things like, "I would at least expect a true follower of LC to be knowledgeable of his work, especially someone who has been a fan for many years." This is not [as you've said] ~ "I am only giving compliments where I felt compliments were due." You're giving compliments on one hand, and dissing on the other.
~ Lizzytysh
Stating specific expectations of how "a true Leonard Cohen fan would be," in conjunction with your naming specific ones [one and then the other] "that LC can be proud of" has created friction because you've done two things by implication [perhaps the "politics of exclusion"] ~ that the rest aren't "true" ones, and that the others, somehow, are "less than" and ones that LC wouldn't be proud of, or gosh, maybe even ashamed of.
It's not that you set any standards.....but comments of that nature are divisive, when openly stated within a group; and it does come across as though you do think that you can set the standards, which we know better than, of course, yet the effect is more that of having broadsided the rest.
You inadvertently [or directly] insult when you say things like, "I would at least expect a true follower of LC to be knowledgeable of his work, especially someone who has been a fan for many years." This is not [as you've said] ~ "I am only giving compliments where I felt compliments were due." You're giving compliments on one hand, and dissing on the other.
~ Lizzytysh