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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2003 3:11 am
by Kush
A very useful thing in the site above is the commentary for each of the sonnets. The following is part of the commentary for Sonnet 129 which Tom quoted first....it is quite relevant to the discussion.
However readers from cultures other than the predominantly Western ones might find the sonnet puzzling. It gives essentially a phallo-centric view of sex, and its hatred of sexuality derives from the Christian imperative of the virginal life and the dislike of all bodily functions, a philosophy which finds few echoes in Eastern religions where sexuality is often gloriously celebrated. Perhaps it is because it chimes so harmoniously with much that is repressive in traditional Christian sexual morality that it has been so popular. It is of course very difficult to separate out culturally derived ideas from those which spring from an individual's personality, and this sonnet provides no exception to the rule. The extreme sexual pessimism may be viewed as a temporary aberration on the part of the poet, or as an essential element of his personality, or simply as an expression of the prevailing opinion of the time. It is tempting to see this outbreak of sexual melancholia as stemming directly from the passions aroused by the dark lady. That would undoubtedly increase the fascination with her and has no doubt helped to fuel speculation as to her character. But the reality is that biographical details are entirely lacking, even if we knew for certain that she did exist.

Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2003 6:17 am
by lizzytysh
Thanks for posting the sonnet for me, Tom. I sometimes get concerned whether I'm remembering the sonnet number correctly, or if I've confused it with the "Dragnet" stamp :lol: . I'm glad I got it right, though I have.......I memorized that sonnet at age 16, when I came across it and recognized it as being how I felt "true love" to be.

I wish I'd had that link yesterday, Kush ~ so I coulda referred a young man taking a poetry class to it. He decided to do his paper on "my" sonnet, after I'd made him aware of it, and what it means to/for me. It would've been nice for him to read commentary like that on it, as well. I'll be interested to see what it has to say.

I always seem to forget that virtually anything can be located on the Internet.....and, most of the time, don't even think to check here :shock: .

Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2003 2:44 pm
by smile
I don`t geth this very well but what does it make me 23rd July and Leo I`d rather share with Leonard and Franco Nero....