Leonard Cohen and the French Canadians

Tchocolatl · Post by **Tchocolatl** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 2:41 pm

YdF, I would "grab for the water" but Lz already rosted you. I let the feast to other people, though, I just had my breakfast (this said to stay polite).

Ln, what a strange idea, new to me, as I would never had associate coït with a rape, as it seems to me that the signification of coit is the copulation of one female and one male, and not one or more beasts with a human being.

TFG is, indeed an efficient little machine, no ordinary novel, it loades the reader with density, englued the world in density, then without warning... well I can not tell and spoil the experience of people who had not read it yet.

FYS, I did not say the plot is about Canadian History, only that this was a layer of the story, but a real one. He is making a constant round trip between the past and the present (and even the future: the (non-)end)). For example, and those examples came to my mind spontaneously, you may find others as better or much better - I think at Guerre et Paix (Dostoïvsky) and Du côté de chez Swann (Proust). Though both books are witness of the society of their time and country, they are also international, 'cause, as Tom stressed it...

Post by **jarkko** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 3:13 pm

This is to all members from the moderator.

This thread was about the French Canadians and Beautiful Losers.
The topic should not be changed suddenly. There are other threads dealing with the Kelley Lynch/Agile/Cohen case. I prefer to have all comments on that topic in the threads that clearly deal with it ("artist vs. con-artist" and "..bigger than money" threads).

I want to keep this Forum as censorship-free as possible: it is open to all opinions. So far I have only deleted commercial (porn etc.) messages and certain messages that are far too insulting to another member, or that have been sent using another member's or person's identity.

Keeping the individual threads within original topics is no censorship. To follow that policy I tried to move certain messages in this thread to the "artst vs con-artist" thread, but after testing it with two last messages yesterday I found out that individual messages cannot be moved (and so we also lost those two to the cyber-space); it seems that only a whole thread could be moved from one section to another. In the future I reserve the right to delete any messages that are in "wrong" threads; however, the sender will be notified and the deleted text quoted to him/her in private message so that he/she may re-post it in the thread it belongs to.

~greg · Post by **~greg** » Sun Jul 24, 2005 10:11 am

Jarkko,

I've been trying to learn some about phpBB.

Is this what you tried to do? ---

5.1.4: Splitting Topics
In the Moderator Control Panel, you may split a topic by clicking on the topic title. You will be taken to the Split Topic Control Panel. You may select the posts to split; they will then be removed from the topic and put into a new topic. This will allow you to move off-topic posts to another topic, keeping your topics more organized.

New Topic Title - The title of the new topic created by the split.

Forum for new topic - The forum that the new topic will be located in.

To split only specific posts from a topic, check the box next to each post and click Split selected posts.

To split a post and every post after that one, select the first post to split and click Split from selected posts.

(from:
http://www.phpbb.com/support/guide/#section5_1_4
)

Post by **jarkko** » Sun Jul 24, 2005 10:23 am

Thanks, Greg
looks like that is a usable way to do it. However, I tried
to put them in the existing thread (instead of opening a new one),
and that probably was why it didn't work!

~greg · Post by **~greg** » Sun Jul 24, 2005 11:20 am

Jarkko, -
"I feel your pain."

It occurred to me, too late, that you just might possibly
have wanted to have left the impression that all posts
are fixed and eternal and can't be moved around,
--thinking that: --only then will people be sure
to put the time and effort into making all their posts
good and appropriate and on topic.

And that I blew it for you!

But then I immediately slapped myself for having
entertained for even one second the thought that
you could possibility be that cynical!
--
And then I thought about it again.

However, it wouldn't have worked anyway.
(- you have to be a lot more cynical than that,
to be the good shepherd.)

---
The 'Forum' should always have been the place for the
more formal things. The on topic things.
The newsgroup was the appropriate place for all the rest of it.
I still don't understand why it didn't work out that way.

tomsakic · Post by **tomsakic** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 10:11 am

linda_lakeside wrote:In one part you said
connection to Canadian and Quebecois and postcolonial context,
and I misread the postcolonial as postcoital - which is probably not too far off the mark as a metaphor.

Great connection, Linda, I'll use that someday, postcolonail-slip-postcoital. But,

Tchoco,

Ln, what a strange idea, new to me, as I would never had associate coït with a rape, as it seems to me that the signification of coit is the copulation of one female and one male, and not one or more beasts with a human being

I don't remember the book so freshly, but I don't think that all coituses (?) in the book were rape... Or I am wrong? There was some love triangle and much love making (maybe some in unusual way... hmm?

But there was some rape, yes, but I like this meptaphor: whole book as postcoital/postcolonial, well, again, metaphor)

Linda, I was that he referred to FG (or, as Tchoco says, TFG

) when he was saying "my novel"

It seems to me that LC was always somehow detached from the BL.

Tchocolatl · Post by **Tchocolatl** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 3:32 pm

I mistaken D for T, (G_d!). It was Tolstoï. how I could have done this to poor Léon?

Tom, I refer to the book by its title : The Favourite Game

The title is not "Favourite Game" as well as "BL" is not The Beautifyl Losers", but "Beautiful Losers". Jes, if the confusion begins there, we will have fun for the rest.

"and much love making (maybe some in unusual way... hmm?"

As you have notice, this was not always coït, young man, each sexual practice is called by "its name". Or at least not post-coital things.

Retain what you want for your paper, however, it's yours work, but cite Linda it you use her idea, it is the gentleman's mark.

tomsakic · Post by **tomsakic** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 4:52 pm

Misunderstanding doesn't begin anywhere because there's no any misunderstandings between you and me, particularly in our opinion about BL, as I was delighted by all your recent posts about that novel; I believe you're right with TFG instead of mine FG, I probably though you don't abbreviate "the" same as we don't count it while listing titles alphabetically (Favourite Game, The); why do you think I'd not cite Linda as I quote absolutely everything I quite in my texts; do you say I am not gentleman?

September_Cohen · Post by **September_Cohen** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 5:02 pm

Stop talking about the coit of him, the burps of young "coca" freud and others hopes and useless things.
As a Quebecer, first, i can tell you that the political situation is disastreous since we got the "scandal des commandites", Quebec independance is more on its way than lasts years.
The dream is still growing up.
And for Leonard's opinion, I think your bets are obvious.
It is HIS opinion.
Let it to him.
A vote is secret a think...and WISH.

If Freud was still alive, do you think he would be downloading Child Porn on his Pc? Think

Tchocolatl · Post by **Tchocolatl** » Wed Jul 27, 2005 5:17 am

Tom Sakic wrote:I was delighted by all your recent posts about that novel; (...) do you say I am not gentleman?

Even if I would have done such a thing, how could I do now?

Ey! Sept, long time no see.

Dire que la première fois que j'ai lu les posts de Joe D. dans l'ancien forum tout noir, je croyais que c'était un vieux, vieux shnock sympa, un peu maniaque. À part l'âge....

September_Cohen · Post by **September_Cohen** » Wed Jul 27, 2005 6:18 pm

Oh...maybe I'm old because i really don't remember the black forum...or my early posts....probably the same funny circus. Actually, i never really quitted the "forumism". It was only a silent night. Bot now came a topic of my heart...Quebec land.

tomsakic · Post by **tomsakic** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 10:29 am

We didn't see you around for half a year or so, September_Cohem and it's nice to have you back

Tchoco

September_Cohen · Post by **September_Cohen** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 9:49 pm

Thanks a lot.
But i must confess that I was still reading the threads.
A lack of interest in topics probably...

But i'm only here to get a better average, because Jarkko will be cruel and remove my picture from the beautiful losers gallery.

It's only a matter of ego

tomsakic · Post by **tomsakic** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 11:10 am

September_Cohen wrote:because Jarkko will be cruel and remove my picture from the beautiful losers gallery

I am sure he won't

Speaking about BL Gallery: it wasn't updated since last Summer, when Jurica, Paula, Margaret, linmag, September_Cohen (hey, I like that photo

)myself and few others gave their photos to Jarkko. We have some people here without faces: maybe it's time for new Summer update of BL Gallery? - Linda Lakeside? Tchoco? Teratogen? Tri-Me? Dylan? ForYourSmile? Kush? Dem? Rob? tom.d.stiller? Boss? Bee? Young dr Freud? diamondsinthemine/Stephen? Scooby Doo? Ghoti? Anne-Marie? Patyou? Sophistikitten? annaedith? Insanitor? .....

Post by **jarkko** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 1:31 pm

I'm supporting Tom's invitation!

Go ahead guys!