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Smokey wrote:Hello again Michael/smoked
Still a LIAR, DISSEMBLER, FRAUD? Started writing your poems for the next poetry comp? Write more than nine this time please! You need to get your average up. The sky is the limit, you know!
is there some way that you could not just CAPITALISE the really important words but also write them in green ink (the traditional colour for loonies in letters) and then underline them in red? I think your submissions would then be much more persuasive.
LOVE AND KISSES
critic2
xxx
PS hey, what are you doing back on my computer? all your posts should be going straight to my delete folder. I will have severely to chastise my computer guy.
Dear Hillary ~
I strongly support you in what you've said. Your words resonate your heart and soul. The path you're on is noble and correct, and your words, feelings, and sentiments speak volumes. I suspect many of us have falsely believed that those who love Leonard will act righteously, according to how Leonard himself presumably acts toward others. Of course, we don't really know how rocky that path has been for himself. I've been accused [not so much anymore] of being too nice to others, to the point of sickening-sweet sanguineness. Saccharine. I still would rather err on the side of that, than uncalled-for harshness.
Even so, there are times when I've [although trying to stick to issue over personality] have expressed myself in ways that seemed to mow down the addressee in the process. Overall, I don't just initiate attacks on anyone, though I will generally respond to those levied on me. For me, coming from a loving perspective is what works best. It's what I feel most comfortable with. Some may find it unappealingly too 'easy,' but remembering that we have no idea who or what circumstances are on the other side of those typewritten words is crucial for me. It's too easy to blindside and be blindsided in these realms. Some can throw off those attacks, but others take them to heart. I'm not willing to be the one at the source of the latter. Being at home in my own skin, with these interactions, feels most true, honest, and ethical.
So, I try to just be me the best way I know how. I try to accept that I can't really change how anyone else chooses to relate. The only one I can truly hope to change is me, and even that can be a chore
. I speak out [as you have, though not so eloquently] from time to time; however, the perhaps most effective thing I feel I can do is just go forth and 'be me,' and if it sets an example for someone, all the better. What you've said does even more than that. It serves as a lesson from your own experience, and is supported by principles and reason. You've been able to share your perspective without sounding whiney or preachy. Your words seek the higher good. I hope there are some who may read and take them to heart.
With regard to the delineations of the people, I first interpreted it as being an approach to anti-trolling, giving upper-level status to those who don't do so. It included those who participated in the poetry competition we had here not long ago, so that seemed to be a part of it, too ~ those who participated being in the upper regions, and those who didn't but commented on it later, in the lower. Then, there seemed to be some who were just included ~ period, i.e. Joe Way [who didn't enter].
In my own fashion, I honestly feel everyone who comes here is a V.I.P. Not all of them remain. Some only read. Some contribute mightily while they're around. Others don't appeal to me personally, due to how they choose to relate. However, in the end, I've found them to be 'all a part of the mix.' This is the only site on the Internet that I'm committed to, and I keep finding multitudes of reasons why my commitment is so justified. Meeting people like you is one of them. I hope you'll continue to contribute in your gentle, loving, and understanding way. You bring a unique level of enlightenment to us, and to me personally.
These words [unlike your own] did not flow. I'm still quite tired, but I don't know if that's the reason for it. Thank you for your own, beautifully spoken lesson. Your friend, Karin, sounds very life-affirming and beautiful. You may live in a ghetto, Hillary, but your mindset is paradisiacal. Please continue to share yourself.
I also love the wide variety of poetry that appears here, and respect the space from which it comes.
Love,
Lizzy
I strongly support you in what you've said. Your words resonate your heart and soul. The path you're on is noble and correct, and your words, feelings, and sentiments speak volumes. I suspect many of us have falsely believed that those who love Leonard will act righteously, according to how Leonard himself presumably acts toward others. Of course, we don't really know how rocky that path has been for himself. I've been accused [not so much anymore] of being too nice to others, to the point of sickening-sweet sanguineness. Saccharine. I still would rather err on the side of that, than uncalled-for harshness.
Even so, there are times when I've [although trying to stick to issue over personality] have expressed myself in ways that seemed to mow down the addressee in the process. Overall, I don't just initiate attacks on anyone, though I will generally respond to those levied on me. For me, coming from a loving perspective is what works best. It's what I feel most comfortable with. Some may find it unappealingly too 'easy,' but remembering that we have no idea who or what circumstances are on the other side of those typewritten words is crucial for me. It's too easy to blindside and be blindsided in these realms. Some can throw off those attacks, but others take them to heart. I'm not willing to be the one at the source of the latter. Being at home in my own skin, with these interactions, feels most true, honest, and ethical.
So, I try to just be me the best way I know how. I try to accept that I can't really change how anyone else chooses to relate. The only one I can truly hope to change is me, and even that can be a chore
. I speak out [as you have, though not so eloquently] from time to time; however, the perhaps most effective thing I feel I can do is just go forth and 'be me,' and if it sets an example for someone, all the better. What you've said does even more than that. It serves as a lesson from your own experience, and is supported by principles and reason. You've been able to share your perspective without sounding whiney or preachy. Your words seek the higher good. I hope there are some who may read and take them to heart. With regard to the delineations of the people, I first interpreted it as being an approach to anti-trolling, giving upper-level status to those who don't do so. It included those who participated in the poetry competition we had here not long ago, so that seemed to be a part of it, too ~ those who participated being in the upper regions, and those who didn't but commented on it later, in the lower. Then, there seemed to be some who were just included ~ period, i.e. Joe Way [who didn't enter].
In my own fashion, I honestly feel everyone who comes here is a V.I.P. Not all of them remain. Some only read. Some contribute mightily while they're around. Others don't appeal to me personally, due to how they choose to relate. However, in the end, I've found them to be 'all a part of the mix.' This is the only site on the Internet that I'm committed to, and I keep finding multitudes of reasons why my commitment is so justified. Meeting people like you is one of them. I hope you'll continue to contribute in your gentle, loving, and understanding way. You bring a unique level of enlightenment to us, and to me personally.
These words [unlike your own] did not flow. I'm still quite tired, but I don't know if that's the reason for it. Thank you for your own, beautifully spoken lesson. Your friend, Karin, sounds very life-affirming and beautiful. You may live in a ghetto, Hillary, but your mindset is paradisiacal. Please continue to share yourself.
I also love the wide variety of poetry that appears here, and respect the space from which it comes.
Love,
Lizzy
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Medusafern
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Thank yous & a Realization
C2 ~ thanks for reminding me that Leonard is most likely in possession of a sizeable sense of humor 
Why do I always forget this invaluable aspect of our human-ness? Does anyone here happen to have an mp3 recording of his laughter? You know, I've never heard Leonard laugh, and I think I would really, really like to...
Lizzy, but you are eloquent, and thank you for the reminder that leading by example is often the most authentic way to be ~ not that I consider myself a leader in any respect ~ but authenticity means everything to me, and I'm just beginning to see when I'm not that, when I spin that tall tale of Hillary and I hide behind the tangled vines of my poetic imagery and then when I am asked directly what I mean and dream and what I truly want for me, I find out I have no earthly idea at all...
This comes to mind as I've been asked these things directly by a person from England with whom I converse online. And suddenly I feel like I've been caught in a lie. As honest as I've tried to be, somehow, when I try to step out from behind the shadowy illusory protection of my words, I realize I haven't a clue as to what I truly wish could be...
Has anyone else ever felt like this?
Sincerely,
Hillary
Why do I always forget this invaluable aspect of our human-ness? Does anyone here happen to have an mp3 recording of his laughter? You know, I've never heard Leonard laugh, and I think I would really, really like to...Lizzy, but you are eloquent, and thank you for the reminder that leading by example is often the most authentic way to be ~ not that I consider myself a leader in any respect ~ but authenticity means everything to me, and I'm just beginning to see when I'm not that, when I spin that tall tale of Hillary and I hide behind the tangled vines of my poetic imagery and then when I am asked directly what I mean and dream and what I truly want for me, I find out I have no earthly idea at all...
This comes to mind as I've been asked these things directly by a person from England with whom I converse online. And suddenly I feel like I've been caught in a lie. As honest as I've tried to be, somehow, when I try to step out from behind the shadowy illusory protection of my words, I realize I haven't a clue as to what I truly wish could be...
Has anyone else ever felt like this?
Sincerely,
Hillary
As a matter of fact, Yes ~ I have, Hillary. I've felt like that. I followed the path of your description of that process to a tee. In person, I'm much 'quieter' ~ more of an apt [or at least intent] observer than a participator or talker [except when manning a registration table 
~ that's a joke relating to the NYC Event]. In truth, I tend to speak more in snippets than complete sentences, much less paragraphs! Being "asked directly what I mean and dream and what I truly want for me" would create a problem for me, as well. [Generally, it's men who ask these type questions of us .] I appreciate and enjoy talking about the deeper, more meaningful things in our lives, and why we're here, our purposes, our dreams. However, my feeling about that kind of questioning is closer to, "So you want me to sum myself up in 25 words or less for you, eh?". Perhaps, my vacillating, mutable, Piscean nature plays a part, but often what we mean, dream, and truly want for ourselves can be organic and evolving, even as we speak. Some set out in life with a particular goal ~ to be a track star, an actor, a doctor, a writer, an astronaut, a dancer, or whatever ~ and virtually every move they make in life is along a continuum that leads to that goal. For others [myself included], that is simply not the case. Our path is different. We may still be discovering necessary things in our own process. It doesn't mean we're a fraud or less valid of a human being. It also doesn't mean we should feel compelled to present with 'acceptable' answers to such questioning. We do not need to, nor should we, feel diminished when we draw a blank on putting forth 'legitimate,' concrete tenets of our being. My feeling has always been that if someone truly wants the answers to these crucial questions, they'll remain in my world [at whatever level] long enough for those answers to emerge naturally, through the process of getting to know me. We're not M&M vending machines, wherein the insertion of a quarter results in a neat handful of differently-coloured aspects of who we are. I see us more as proverbial onions.....many, many layers......and slicing in too fast robs us of the pleasure of removal of those finely-layered, sometimes transparent, sometimes thick, skins.
Love,
Lizzy
~ that's a joke relating to the NYC Event]. In truth, I tend to speak more in snippets than complete sentences, much less paragraphs! Being "asked directly what I mean and dream and what I truly want for me" would create a problem for me, as well. [Generally, it's men who ask these type questions of us .] I appreciate and enjoy talking about the deeper, more meaningful things in our lives, and why we're here, our purposes, our dreams. However, my feeling about that kind of questioning is closer to, "So you want me to sum myself up in 25 words or less for you, eh?". Perhaps, my vacillating, mutable, Piscean nature plays a part, but often what we mean, dream, and truly want for ourselves can be organic and evolving, even as we speak. Some set out in life with a particular goal ~ to be a track star, an actor, a doctor, a writer, an astronaut, a dancer, or whatever ~ and virtually every move they make in life is along a continuum that leads to that goal. For others [myself included], that is simply not the case. Our path is different. We may still be discovering necessary things in our own process. It doesn't mean we're a fraud or less valid of a human being. It also doesn't mean we should feel compelled to present with 'acceptable' answers to such questioning. We do not need to, nor should we, feel diminished when we draw a blank on putting forth 'legitimate,' concrete tenets of our being. My feeling has always been that if someone truly wants the answers to these crucial questions, they'll remain in my world [at whatever level] long enough for those answers to emerge naturally, through the process of getting to know me. We're not M&M vending machines, wherein the insertion of a quarter results in a neat handful of differently-coloured aspects of who we are. I see us more as proverbial onions.....many, many layers......and slicing in too fast robs us of the pleasure of removal of those finely-layered, sometimes transparent, sometimes thick, skins.Love,
Lizzy
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Re: Yay :)
Dear Hillary,Medusafern wrote:Those words I wrote to C2 just flew from my fingers. Sometimes it's like I'm only a portal for the message to enter through.
don't humble yourself, don't downplay your own soul, my friend, if I may call you so. I don't intend to slay nor to praise the messenger for the message. No, it's your own strong soul that spoke, I'd say, the same that made you carry on through all of your own miseries both past and present, the very one that helps you carry your children through their incommunicably own troubles.
Let's all hope we don't miss this - maybe final - opportunity to make the species homo sapiens sapiens survive. If we don't get it, the merciless, and heartless, Ant will.Medusafern wrote:...and I realize there isn't time left in the world for rancor...and that we're just in time for the new paradigm of Loving each other...
Hillary wrote:And I have missed you too, Tom.
Tom
I want you to carry on forever please. Promise you won't stop! remember the whole of this forum, if not the entire world thinks this is a really important discussion and *you* are at the centre of it! You must be very excited, well done!Smokey wrote:Critic2/Michael is a LIAR, DISSEMBLER and a FRAUD.
(Anytime you want me to stop just publicaly admit that I never sent you a private message)
LOVE AND KISSES
critic2
Re: Thank yous & a Realization
there is no "most likely" about it, Hillary. It is well established that Leonard stole a significant part of my sense of humour sometime back in the 70's when we used to hang out together in Greenwich Village (he, in New York, me in Greenwich, South East London). I have tried ever since to get him to return it but he stubbornly refuses.Medusafern wrote:C2 ~ thanks for reminding me that Leonard is most likely in possession of a sizeable sense of humor Sincerely,
Hillary
I have also asked the police to investiagte but they think I am just having a laugh. Anyway, if he is still in posession of it, he will doubtlessly plead that it is for personal use only and that he has never supplied any of it in public.
Like any joker he is looking for the gag that is so high and wild he will never need to tell another.
please don't apologise. however stuck you feel, however foolish and embarassed you are.Smokey wrote:Sorry Michael, you started it. Only you can end it.
Michael/Critic2 is a LIAR, DISSEMBLER and a FRAUD.
You may remember that my position is that I want you to carry on forever . As I said before you must promise you won't stop!
The whole of this forum, if not the entire world still thinks that this is a really important discussion and *you* are at the centre of it! You must be very excited, well done!
LOVE AND KISSES
critic2
PS didn't you die recently and go to troll heaven?