Leonard Cohen is going to die. So are you. So am I.
If Heretic and/or partisan chooses to speculate on the date, I don't see the great sin. Or the point.
Leonard's Three Score Year and Ten
Eeey maybe it was a bit over the top you are right a witch hunt is a stupid thing to do and Anne I know we are all going to die but I found that post offensive with the RIP and Circle Six and the satanic implications.
I have no problem with dying what I do have a problem with was the protrayal in that post and I did think it was evil.
And so far as the PM and Lizzie is concerned if you read my post I think Lizzie was bang out of order. If she was as upset as she says she was she should have brought it to Jarkko's attention. I don't think Partisans PM to Lizzie in any way shape or form was any better or worse than anything he has posted in the public forum.
I didn't realise that people were keeping PM's purely to use as ammunition if the situation merits it. So to make it quite plain I think Lizzie should NOT have posted a private message. And I am not sure how Jo has somehow managed to twist it so the person who is in the wrong here is Partisan.
I have no problem with dying what I do have a problem with was the protrayal in that post and I did think it was evil.
And so far as the PM and Lizzie is concerned if you read my post I think Lizzie was bang out of order. If she was as upset as she says she was she should have brought it to Jarkko's attention. I don't think Partisans PM to Lizzie in any way shape or form was any better or worse than anything he has posted in the public forum.
I didn't realise that people were keeping PM's purely to use as ammunition if the situation merits it. So to make it quite plain I think Lizzie should NOT have posted a private message. And I am not sure how Jo has somehow managed to twist it so the person who is in the wrong here is Partisan.
The sixth circle in Dante's Inferno was reserved for (among others) heretics. I didn't read any satanic references into the post. Just a rather jaundiced view of LC and perhaps a criticism of the adulation that is lavished upon him by some members of the forum. I actually liked the quote, it made me laugh. Sorry.
P.S. If you haven't gotten around to reading Dante's Inferno, pick it up. It's awesome.
P.S. If you haven't gotten around to reading Dante's Inferno, pick it up. It's awesome.
My, my, my people! I have just spent the last hour reading the back and forth replies between "Good and Evil". Did it occur to you that perhaps you have succumbed to Heretic's wish? He has thrown a bait and you all have rushed to bite it! Lol, more power to him then! He must be a true Master 
And Ms. Tysh, I have to admit that your posts do make me dizzy. Do you suffer by any chance from a "Literary Schizoaffective Disorder"? Such confusion of thoughts and paranoia transpire from your writings that I seriously wonder. By the way this is by no means an attack; merely an observation.
Please fight the need to respond; resist temptation! Do you know that temptation is our personal Devil?
After all who knows this post, too, could be a bait...do not swim for the worm:) Resistance will thank you
And Ms. Tysh, I have to admit that your posts do make me dizzy. Do you suffer by any chance from a "Literary Schizoaffective Disorder"? Such confusion of thoughts and paranoia transpire from your writings that I seriously wonder. By the way this is by no means an attack; merely an observation.
Please fight the need to respond; resist temptation! Do you know that temptation is our personal Devil?
After all who knows this post, too, could be a bait...do not swim for the worm:) Resistance will thank you
A few points I will make in reference to the postings following mine since last night:
(1) I am already aware, and have been for a long time, that partisan has been in an active and relentless campaign against me personally. This has taken place and/or continues to take place in two public forums; the main room and windows of the chatroom; e-mails; and more recently, behind the scenes in PMs. His intentional attempts at subterfuge and intimidation have consistently failed. I have seen his apparent frustration levels with this fact increase, to bordering on desperation, and his attempts become more pointed and targeted.
(2) The nature of PMs is, indeed, Personal Message. However, receiving a PM [despite its derogatory nature] does not constitute an implicit contract between myself and the sender to protect the privacy and the identity of the sender or the message itself. I have received many welcome and welcomed PMs. I have also received some unwelcome ones [a minimal few] that did not have the highest of intention. I have never considered bringing into the public eye any of these, until now, in response to "Heretic" 's post. The overwhelming and vast majority of PMs have been genuine attempts to dialogue or share information on whatever the issues happened to be.
(3) For me to willfully engage in the implicit contract to protect the perpetrator [aka the verbal abuser] ~ simply because of the mode chosen by the sender for the message itself ~ speaks only to a co-dependent and dysfunctional relationship, in which I am not involved with partisan/p./`/Heretic/James.....nor do I intend to be. If anyone fails to recognize this dynamic and feels that I am at fault in this, then I can only suggest that it is up to each of us to set and maintain our own boundaries. I made mine absolutely clear with the statements I made surrounding the denied request for my MSN address [the denial in itself being the first "statement"].
(4) There has never been any semblance of a relationship between partisan/James and I that would even remotely touch upon or suggest the issue of loyalty, much less a co-dependent, dysfunctional form of it. However, I have made gestures in the direction of reconciling our differences and finding a common ground wherein, as I've already stated, I actually [erroneously] thought we had struck a truce of sorts. Had this truly been the case, a form of relationship could have developed that could have encompassed a kind of loyalty.
However, my deep-seated distrust has only borne itself out in reality in numerous ways, numerous times. A relationship encompassing loyalty no longer has a chance. As a person, I lead with the concept of confidentiality. Depending on egregious circumstances, confidentiality may no longer have standing. That is the case here. I am by nature a loyal person, however, my loyalties are placed carefully and do not come easily. It nonetheless remains significant that this PM has appeared only now, after multitudinous opportunities to have copied-and-pasted it elsewhere, for other purposes.
(5) Though the nature of the PM is to clearly undermine, intimidate, invalidate, and harass, in and of itself, it does not merit being brought to Jarkko's attention for action. A pattern of these kinds of PMs, however, would. Conversely, if my life was being threatened, or obscene messages were being sent, I would contact Jarkko for action, without waiting for more to appear. When and why I contact Jarkko remains my choice, with my reasons.
(6) A sincere PM would have remained focused on the alleged care and concern for Leonard's welfare, and would have simply stated something to the effect of, "This is my concern, and this is what I read that self-portrait and message to mean."
(7) However, partisan had already been publicly challenged by me to speak openly and honestly ~ publicly ~ regarding what he considered to be what he knew beyond a shadow of a doubt. I said nothing to invite a personal communication on the matter, much less another attempt to undermine me. They came, however, unsolicited, uninvited, and unwanted. They were intentionally not responded to. They were not saved for the purpose of bringing here for any form of war ammunition. They were, however, saved for the purpose of being perhaps the first in a pattern ~ a pattern I have already seen elsewhere and appeared to now, perhaps, be showing up in my PM box.
(8) If anyone chooses to PM me with the scurrilous intentions and goals I have seen with partisan, you may expect that they will not be deleted. Do not rely on their remaining private, either. The "spirit of intent" [akin to the "spirit of the law"] vs. the "letter of intent" [akin to the "letter of the law"] ~ with regard to PMs ~ is NOT that they offer a private and protected avenue for "hate mail." If anyone choosing to PM me with these intentions, my best suggestion would be that you be circumspect in the nature of your PMs to other people, beginning with me.....particularly if you already have an established pattern elsewhere. I do not give you permission to show up in my personal realm, uninvited, simply to insult me. There may be others who have no problem with your doing this, with them. However, I am not one of them.
(9) With partisan's bypassing the challenge I gave him to say what he thinks he knows about Leonard's state of health and the implications, he failed to take responsibility for his "predictions." Why someone would be so concerned with being "right" in this matter escapes me. Writing me personally created a situation, wherein he could later say, "I told you so" to me and then declare it to the "world" that he had told me so. Yet, he could avoid looking terribly "wrong" to that same world, by keeping his predictions private. I believe he knows me well enough to know that if he later were to say, "Didn't I PM you and tell you that, Lizzytysh?" that I would truthfully respond and say, "Yes, you did."
(10) The same is accomplished in #9 by posting under the eye ["evil" eye? ~ doesn't look like too friendly an eye to me] graphic and the name of Heretic allows the same predictive "coup." If he's wrong, then no one knows it, and life goes on, with his making magnanimous claims regarding himself and his nature. If he were to be right, [either coincidentally, given Leonard's age; or through his interpretation of Leonard's Father's Day gift to this site], then he can surface and say, "I am Heretic, and I was right all along." It's the game of nothing-to-lose-when-you-"play-your-cards-right" ~ the trump card in this game being his hidden identity of "Heretic."
(11) The PM was posted due to the consistency with his previous posts, on the same subject, as well as that of his "Heretic" pronouncement. The Subject line of the June 16 PM is "Leonard R.I.P." ~ the final line of his ominous "prediction" is Leonard Cohen R.I.P. ~ exact format, including the periods between the letters in what is commonly written as RIP, as well.
Partisan is well known to consider this Forum to be from hell, in his eyes, accountable to my presence here.
All three initial lines of his ominous "prediction" ~ "The Master will not live to be 70. / He has told you this. / You choose not to listen." ~ correlate to his PM comment to me, "You have not even considered for a moment that he might be dying, and this is his way of telling us.....If he does die in the near future you will regret your post." Aside from his erroneous presumption of what I have or haven't "even considered for a moment," his consistency regarding what may/will occur with Leonard pre-age 70 is remarkably clear and speaks for itself.
"The Master will not live to be 70" ~ correlates to "The master just told you something very important," as well as to his PM comment to me, with the specifics of his allusion to death [cited above].
Partisan typically refers to Leonard as "the master/the Master," either derisively or seriously.
His posting comment, "I suspect you people are not seeing the forest for the trees" correlates with "He has told you this. / You choose not to listen."
"Heresy" and "Blasphemy" are the kinds of melodramatic terms common to partisan's manner of communication.
Who knows? Could be someone in collusion with partisan. I have supporting evidence for that possibility, as well, but won't bother with it here. However, the mode of expression is one of unmistakable similarities. My bet goes on its being partisan. Why does that matter? Why would I post a PM to support that? It takes a man/woman to take ownership for what they say and stand behind their statements, right or wrong, and aknowledge if they were wrong. To take this well-intended thread into such a dark direction for one's own amusement and/or braggart "rights" later [should he by happenstance turn out to be correct], is so unrighteous that it defies reasonable thinking.
I left my own conclusions to be determined for themselves by each person reading this thread. I simply compiled the relevant information.
(12) For Jarkko to identify the ISP and bring confirmation on the identity of "Heretic" here would accomplish nothing that I can see. Jarkko's purpose is not expose. Because I chose to bring supporting information for my own conclusion does not suggest that I feel it's incumbent on Jarkko to do anything. Nor would I expect ["in a million years"] for Jarkko to expose and openly scold someone even if he did know.
In fact, considering that me and my neighbour, as well as my friends at work, almost all have different ISPs, going to a friend's/relative's computer, an Internet cafe, or a library, would most likely automatically produce a different ISP than the one partisan currently uses for that name [partisan]. It may even be possible [not really sure] to have two ISPs on one computer ~ I don't know on that. One thing that I do know for sure is that the ISP is not conclusive evidence of anything.
In that, prior to the concluding of this response, I have read the post of "Enough," I would suggest that your best use of Resistance would be in foregoing the reading of the back-and-forth replies, in this thread, including mine which reportedly dizzy you, and go lie down. Whilst you're using the word "Tysh" for me, I concur that you can certainly do better than to retrapse old ground.
There is but one true Master represented here. His name is Leonard Cohen. He is alive and well, and living between India and L.A.
~ Elizabeth
P.S. Excuse all the Edits. I have just now had the opportunity to read my posting, in its Submitted form, for any edits.
(1) I am already aware, and have been for a long time, that partisan has been in an active and relentless campaign against me personally. This has taken place and/or continues to take place in two public forums; the main room and windows of the chatroom; e-mails; and more recently, behind the scenes in PMs. His intentional attempts at subterfuge and intimidation have consistently failed. I have seen his apparent frustration levels with this fact increase, to bordering on desperation, and his attempts become more pointed and targeted.
(2) The nature of PMs is, indeed, Personal Message. However, receiving a PM [despite its derogatory nature] does not constitute an implicit contract between myself and the sender to protect the privacy and the identity of the sender or the message itself. I have received many welcome and welcomed PMs. I have also received some unwelcome ones [a minimal few] that did not have the highest of intention. I have never considered bringing into the public eye any of these, until now, in response to "Heretic" 's post. The overwhelming and vast majority of PMs have been genuine attempts to dialogue or share information on whatever the issues happened to be.
(3) For me to willfully engage in the implicit contract to protect the perpetrator [aka the verbal abuser] ~ simply because of the mode chosen by the sender for the message itself ~ speaks only to a co-dependent and dysfunctional relationship, in which I am not involved with partisan/p./`/Heretic/James.....nor do I intend to be. If anyone fails to recognize this dynamic and feels that I am at fault in this, then I can only suggest that it is up to each of us to set and maintain our own boundaries. I made mine absolutely clear with the statements I made surrounding the denied request for my MSN address [the denial in itself being the first "statement"].
(4) There has never been any semblance of a relationship between partisan/James and I that would even remotely touch upon or suggest the issue of loyalty, much less a co-dependent, dysfunctional form of it. However, I have made gestures in the direction of reconciling our differences and finding a common ground wherein, as I've already stated, I actually [erroneously] thought we had struck a truce of sorts. Had this truly been the case, a form of relationship could have developed that could have encompassed a kind of loyalty.
However, my deep-seated distrust has only borne itself out in reality in numerous ways, numerous times. A relationship encompassing loyalty no longer has a chance. As a person, I lead with the concept of confidentiality. Depending on egregious circumstances, confidentiality may no longer have standing. That is the case here. I am by nature a loyal person, however, my loyalties are placed carefully and do not come easily. It nonetheless remains significant that this PM has appeared only now, after multitudinous opportunities to have copied-and-pasted it elsewhere, for other purposes.
(5) Though the nature of the PM is to clearly undermine, intimidate, invalidate, and harass, in and of itself, it does not merit being brought to Jarkko's attention for action. A pattern of these kinds of PMs, however, would. Conversely, if my life was being threatened, or obscene messages were being sent, I would contact Jarkko for action, without waiting for more to appear. When and why I contact Jarkko remains my choice, with my reasons.
(6) A sincere PM would have remained focused on the alleged care and concern for Leonard's welfare, and would have simply stated something to the effect of, "This is my concern, and this is what I read that self-portrait and message to mean."
(7) However, partisan had already been publicly challenged by me to speak openly and honestly ~ publicly ~ regarding what he considered to be what he knew beyond a shadow of a doubt. I said nothing to invite a personal communication on the matter, much less another attempt to undermine me. They came, however, unsolicited, uninvited, and unwanted. They were intentionally not responded to. They were not saved for the purpose of bringing here for any form of war ammunition. They were, however, saved for the purpose of being perhaps the first in a pattern ~ a pattern I have already seen elsewhere and appeared to now, perhaps, be showing up in my PM box.
(8) If anyone chooses to PM me with the scurrilous intentions and goals I have seen with partisan, you may expect that they will not be deleted. Do not rely on their remaining private, either. The "spirit of intent" [akin to the "spirit of the law"] vs. the "letter of intent" [akin to the "letter of the law"] ~ with regard to PMs ~ is NOT that they offer a private and protected avenue for "hate mail." If anyone choosing to PM me with these intentions, my best suggestion would be that you be circumspect in the nature of your PMs to other people, beginning with me.....particularly if you already have an established pattern elsewhere. I do not give you permission to show up in my personal realm, uninvited, simply to insult me. There may be others who have no problem with your doing this, with them. However, I am not one of them.
(9) With partisan's bypassing the challenge I gave him to say what he thinks he knows about Leonard's state of health and the implications, he failed to take responsibility for his "predictions." Why someone would be so concerned with being "right" in this matter escapes me. Writing me personally created a situation, wherein he could later say, "I told you so" to me and then declare it to the "world" that he had told me so. Yet, he could avoid looking terribly "wrong" to that same world, by keeping his predictions private. I believe he knows me well enough to know that if he later were to say, "Didn't I PM you and tell you that, Lizzytysh?" that I would truthfully respond and say, "Yes, you did."
(10) The same is accomplished in #9 by posting under the eye ["evil" eye? ~ doesn't look like too friendly an eye to me] graphic and the name of Heretic allows the same predictive "coup." If he's wrong, then no one knows it, and life goes on, with his making magnanimous claims regarding himself and his nature. If he were to be right, [either coincidentally, given Leonard's age; or through his interpretation of Leonard's Father's Day gift to this site], then he can surface and say, "I am Heretic, and I was right all along." It's the game of nothing-to-lose-when-you-"play-your-cards-right" ~ the trump card in this game being his hidden identity of "Heretic."
(11) The PM was posted due to the consistency with his previous posts, on the same subject, as well as that of his "Heretic" pronouncement. The Subject line of the June 16 PM is "Leonard R.I.P." ~ the final line of his ominous "prediction" is Leonard Cohen R.I.P. ~ exact format, including the periods between the letters in what is commonly written as RIP, as well.
Partisan is well known to consider this Forum to be from hell, in his eyes, accountable to my presence here.
All three initial lines of his ominous "prediction" ~ "The Master will not live to be 70. / He has told you this. / You choose not to listen." ~ correlate to his PM comment to me, "You have not even considered for a moment that he might be dying, and this is his way of telling us.....If he does die in the near future you will regret your post." Aside from his erroneous presumption of what I have or haven't "even considered for a moment," his consistency regarding what may/will occur with Leonard pre-age 70 is remarkably clear and speaks for itself.
"The Master will not live to be 70" ~ correlates to "The master just told you something very important," as well as to his PM comment to me, with the specifics of his allusion to death [cited above].
Partisan typically refers to Leonard as "the master/the Master," either derisively or seriously.
His posting comment, "I suspect you people are not seeing the forest for the trees" correlates with "He has told you this. / You choose not to listen."
"Heresy" and "Blasphemy" are the kinds of melodramatic terms common to partisan's manner of communication.
Who knows? Could be someone in collusion with partisan. I have supporting evidence for that possibility, as well, but won't bother with it here. However, the mode of expression is one of unmistakable similarities. My bet goes on its being partisan. Why does that matter? Why would I post a PM to support that? It takes a man/woman to take ownership for what they say and stand behind their statements, right or wrong, and aknowledge if they were wrong. To take this well-intended thread into such a dark direction for one's own amusement and/or braggart "rights" later [should he by happenstance turn out to be correct], is so unrighteous that it defies reasonable thinking.
I left my own conclusions to be determined for themselves by each person reading this thread. I simply compiled the relevant information.
(12) For Jarkko to identify the ISP and bring confirmation on the identity of "Heretic" here would accomplish nothing that I can see. Jarkko's purpose is not expose. Because I chose to bring supporting information for my own conclusion does not suggest that I feel it's incumbent on Jarkko to do anything. Nor would I expect ["in a million years"] for Jarkko to expose and openly scold someone even if he did know.
In fact, considering that me and my neighbour, as well as my friends at work, almost all have different ISPs, going to a friend's/relative's computer, an Internet cafe, or a library, would most likely automatically produce a different ISP than the one partisan currently uses for that name [partisan]. It may even be possible [not really sure] to have two ISPs on one computer ~ I don't know on that. One thing that I do know for sure is that the ISP is not conclusive evidence of anything.
In that, prior to the concluding of this response, I have read the post of "Enough," I would suggest that your best use of Resistance would be in foregoing the reading of the back-and-forth replies, in this thread, including mine which reportedly dizzy you, and go lie down. Whilst you're using the word "Tysh" for me, I concur that you can certainly do better than to retrapse old ground.
There is but one true Master represented here. His name is Leonard Cohen. He is alive and well, and living between India and L.A.
~ Elizabeth
P.S. Excuse all the Edits. I have just now had the opportunity to read my posting, in its Submitted form, for any edits.
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Eeey and Lizzie,
You both are implying that I am familiar to you, well guess what...I am not. Today was my first and last posts, and do not say "thank you" that, definitely, would be lame.
By any means did I intend to infringe on someone else style, opinion or mind games. I simply chose to express MY observation.
Before I go and leave this verbose insanity behind me, I have to say that who ever suggested that Lizzie was compulsive is right; she just can not stop herself! Reminds me of the Duracell Bunny.
Bye, bye.
You both are implying that I am familiar to you, well guess what...I am not. Today was my first and last posts, and do not say "thank you" that, definitely, would be lame.
By any means did I intend to infringe on someone else style, opinion or mind games. I simply chose to express MY observation.
Before I go and leave this verbose insanity behind me, I have to say that who ever suggested that Lizzie was compulsive is right; she just can not stop herself! Reminds me of the Duracell Bunny.
Bye, bye.
Heretic's post (which I hardly remember now and don't find important enough to check) I remember finding distasteful at worst. Who or what or why he/she is is of no concern to me.
My post referred to the present ravings here concerning the fact that Lizzy posted a private message sent to her by Partisan. Anyone who cares to (and I really don't see why they should - it's of no importance except as my opinion) can read it and, if they are familiar with the English language (I include English speakers here), will see rather clearly that it was a general post about people who pretend to be 'nice' in public, while making the most vile and uncalled for comments in private - and this refers not only to Partisan, but if anyone remembers a previous post, you'll remember that I mentioned those who don't say much until they can join in in assaulting Lizzy.
So I really don't see where your logic (or lack thereof) comes from, Paula, in your little throwaway comment re my 'twisting' of matters to Partisan's disadvantage. Perhaps you should go back and re-read my post with an unbiased mind and rather reply in the thread where you may have had reason to say something about my comments? But that's not your pattern to say what really bothers you, is it?
But seeing you mentioned Partisan: Who, in the chatroom, hasn't at some time or another been verbally assaulted by him? I don't purposely save conversations for any reason, but the program I use automatically saves them and they are there to be referred to when needed. Out of deference to Lizzy's feelings I won't copy and paste a conversation in which Partisan said that he was never nasty to Lizzy and in the next sentence made comments about her that I wouldn't use to describe the rats in my house (if my cats allowed me to have any).
I also have a rather nasty little comment made to me, about me, in private - also concerning death - does he have death on his mind constantly? But it would serve no purpose posting that here - we all know that he's lost his previous rather black and entertaining humour and has become what appears to me rather bitter and mean. In my opinion he has become a natterer on the side lines, but like a child who could pick up a nasty sharp pointed stick, needs to be watched.
I've wondered lately if I should post here in Afrikaans - for all the attention paid to exactly what's said I may as well post in a foreign language - that way at least there'll be reason to misunderstand, misconstrue and misinterpret my posts. What fun that would be - if we all posted in a different language - no one would fight as they'd be arguing with themselves - mind you , on second thoughts - that probably won't stop the usual suspects, will it?
Jo
My post referred to the present ravings here concerning the fact that Lizzy posted a private message sent to her by Partisan. Anyone who cares to (and I really don't see why they should - it's of no importance except as my opinion) can read it and, if they are familiar with the English language (I include English speakers here), will see rather clearly that it was a general post about people who pretend to be 'nice' in public, while making the most vile and uncalled for comments in private - and this refers not only to Partisan, but if anyone remembers a previous post, you'll remember that I mentioned those who don't say much until they can join in in assaulting Lizzy.
So I really don't see where your logic (or lack thereof) comes from, Paula, in your little throwaway comment re my 'twisting' of matters to Partisan's disadvantage. Perhaps you should go back and re-read my post with an unbiased mind and rather reply in the thread where you may have had reason to say something about my comments? But that's not your pattern to say what really bothers you, is it?
But seeing you mentioned Partisan: Who, in the chatroom, hasn't at some time or another been verbally assaulted by him? I don't purposely save conversations for any reason, but the program I use automatically saves them and they are there to be referred to when needed. Out of deference to Lizzy's feelings I won't copy and paste a conversation in which Partisan said that he was never nasty to Lizzy and in the next sentence made comments about her that I wouldn't use to describe the rats in my house (if my cats allowed me to have any).
I also have a rather nasty little comment made to me, about me, in private - also concerning death - does he have death on his mind constantly? But it would serve no purpose posting that here - we all know that he's lost his previous rather black and entertaining humour and has become what appears to me rather bitter and mean. In my opinion he has become a natterer on the side lines, but like a child who could pick up a nasty sharp pointed stick, needs to be watched.
I've wondered lately if I should post here in Afrikaans - for all the attention paid to exactly what's said I may as well post in a foreign language - that way at least there'll be reason to misunderstand, misconstrue and misinterpret my posts. What fun that would be - if we all posted in a different language - no one would fight as they'd be arguing with themselves - mind you , on second thoughts - that probably won't stop the usual suspects, will it?
Jo
"... to make a pale imitation of reality with twenty-six juggled letters"
"... all words are lies because they can only represent one of many levels of being"
Sober noises of morning in a marginal land.
"... all words are lies because they can only represent one of many levels of being"
Sober noises of morning in a marginal land.
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I don't want to join the various discussions that made this thread grow, but I can't keep myself from adding just a few remarks.
The "Heretic" post was a demonstration of bad taste. I don't care whether it really was partisan, or just someone in a similar state of mind. And trying to make Jarkko spy into the IP logs to prove either way is not so good an idea. We don't need any additional "witch hunts" besides those already going on, those every now and then started by people using fancy names like "starfish".
It's an interesting question, though, whether or not a "Private Message" should be made available to the public. I'd say: it depends...
Under normal circumstances a PM is a private message, and should be treated as such, but there are, of course, exceptions.
When the PM in itself is threatening, or abusive - the thing to do would be to complain to the administrator (Jarkko) who will know how to deal with the sender.
But when someone openly tries to play the nice banana while revealing another nature in PM's it might be justified to notify the public - lest someone might believe the public display which is one big lie. (This the more so, when the person has publicly stated that he doesn't object to his statements given off the forum being quoted - in the "Places in Chains" thread partisan even insisted on his name being mentioned when he is quoted ...)
So, to my mind, the hassle made about this is off the track. Those who fear that their Private Messages to lizzytysh might later be published in some thread always have the option not to send PM's to her. On the other hand: I didn't find another example of her publishing a PM... (So the witch hunt can stop now?!)
Tom
The "Heretic" post was a demonstration of bad taste. I don't care whether it really was partisan, or just someone in a similar state of mind. And trying to make Jarkko spy into the IP logs to prove either way is not so good an idea. We don't need any additional "witch hunts" besides those already going on, those every now and then started by people using fancy names like "starfish".
It's an interesting question, though, whether or not a "Private Message" should be made available to the public. I'd say: it depends...
Under normal circumstances a PM is a private message, and should be treated as such, but there are, of course, exceptions.
When the PM in itself is threatening, or abusive - the thing to do would be to complain to the administrator (Jarkko) who will know how to deal with the sender.
But when someone openly tries to play the nice banana while revealing another nature in PM's it might be justified to notify the public - lest someone might believe the public display which is one big lie. (This the more so, when the person has publicly stated that he doesn't object to his statements given off the forum being quoted - in the "Places in Chains" thread partisan even insisted on his name being mentioned when he is quoted ...)
So, to my mind, the hassle made about this is off the track. Those who fear that their Private Messages to lizzytysh might later be published in some thread always have the option not to send PM's to her. On the other hand: I didn't find another example of her publishing a PM... (So the witch hunt can stop now?!)
Tom
tom.,
I am puzzled by the "polite banana" remark.
There now seems to be a concensus among some members that partisan presents himself as this jolly Dr. Jekyll in public, while being a snarling Mr. Hyde in private. That his public display "is one big lie". Jo even says that partisan "pretends to be nice" in public.
Since when? Everyone knows partisan's temperment. He certainly hasn't hid his light under a bushel. He's Hyde all the time.
So to attack him on that point, well, it just doesn't make a lick of sense.
eeey
I am puzzled by the "polite banana" remark.
There now seems to be a concensus among some members that partisan presents himself as this jolly Dr. Jekyll in public, while being a snarling Mr. Hyde in private. That his public display "is one big lie". Jo even says that partisan "pretends to be nice" in public.
Since when? Everyone knows partisan's temperment. He certainly hasn't hid his light under a bushel. He's Hyde all the time.
So to attack him on that point, well, it just doesn't make a lick of sense.
eeey