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Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2003 6:33 pm
by lizzytysh
It's interesting that the dictionary definition allows for "making a case" in either direction, lust as passion or lust as lewd. Lust is considered one of the 7 Deadly Sins , so I would say it's looked at with the latter connotation there.
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2003 12:18 am
by Kush
Tom......is that the Shakespeare guy you quoted ?
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2003 12:55 am
by margaret
Kush,
this is indeed Shakespeare (sonnet 129). My other half (more knowledgeable than me about these things ) guides you to 29, and a peaceful night.
Linda , I'm gemini too, 15th June. are we twins?
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2003 2:01 am
by Linda
Yes, we are Margaret. You being a younger twin by three days. (and afew years)
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2003 4:28 am
by Kush
Thanks....here is # 29....the internet is a wonderful thing (developed by US military research program by the way.....the same guys who build and drop bombs....oh what a tangled web we weave)
Sonnet 29
When, in disgrace with fortune and men's eyes,
I all alone beweep my outcast state
And trouble deaf heaven with my bootless cries
And look upon myself and curse my fate,
Wishing me like to one more rich in hope,
Featured like him, like him with friends possess'd,
Desiring this man's art and that man's scope,
With what I most enjoy contented least;
Yet in these thoughts myself almost despising,
Haply I think on thee, and then my state,
Like to the lark at break of day arising
From sullen earth, sings hymns at heaven's gate;
For thy sweet love remember'd such wealth brings
That then I scorn to change my state with kings
leos
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2003 6:43 am
by Sandra
Leos have always been interesting for me....
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2003 6:57 am
by lizzytysh
Tauruses have been a pretty consistent theme in my life, Sandra.
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2003 9:45 pm
by linmag
Now there's interesting, Elizabeth. My birthday is 26th April, which makes me a Taurus. It fits, too. I lost count of the times my mother wailed "you're like a bull in a china shop, child", as I knocked yet another of her precious knick-knacks flying or opened my mouth only to put my foot in it yet again.
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2003 9:47 pm
by linmag
Thanks for posting that beautiful sonnet here, Kush. I read or saw most of Shakespeare's plays, but never got around to the sonnets. This is obviously a yawning gap in my education, which I shall have to remedy forthwith.
Could anyone recommend their favourite, so that I have somewhere to start?
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2003 11:23 pm
by Byron
Yes, thank you Kush.
Linmag, Sonnet 29 is my favourite.
Kush, where can I find them on the net?
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2003 12:24 am
by Partisan
Kush, like most things of importance in this world the internet was invented by an Englishman, Tim Berners Lee.
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2003 1:26 am
by lizzytysh
Hi Linmag ~
You're right
! Figures
. I also guess that I must have Taurus in my chart with some pretty heavy influence, perhaps my Rising Sign? The bull and I also have some shared behaviours when making our way through spaces.
My favourite is "Let me not to the marriage of true minds.......admit impediments...." ~ can't tell you which # it is, I want to say CXVI, but can't since I'm not at home at the moment.
~ Elizabeth
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2003 3:56 am
by Kush
Kush, like most things of importance in this world the internet was invented by an Englishman, Tim Berners Lee.
I think that's bullshit....but maybe you can substantiate your claim to convince me.
Far as I know it was DARPA.....Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency a subsidiary of the DoD.
http://www.davesite.com/webstation/net-history.shtml
http://www.isoc.org/internet/history/cerf.shtml
p.s. Actually I'm quite certain it was DARPA. Who is this Berners guy ?
p.p.s Ah...TBLee emerges in the 90s. The development of internet started in the 60s itself. I have utmost respect for English inventors..they are my inspiration....I also know of one Englishman who will never invent anything.
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2003 2:19 pm
by tom.d.stiller
Elizabeth -
Of course you were right with the number... It is 66, and it is a beautiful poem indeed:
Sonnet CXVI
Let me not to the marriage of true minds
Admit impediments. Love is not love
Which alters when it alteration finds,
Or bends with the remover to remove:
O no! it is an ever-fixed mark
That looks on tempests and is never shaken;
It is the star to every wandering bark,
Whose worth's unknown, although his height be taken.
Love's not Time's fool, though rosy lips and cheeks
Within his bending sickle's compass come:
Love alters not with his brief hours and weeks,
But bears it out even to the edge of doom.
If this be error and upon me prov'd,
I never writ, nor no man ever lov'd.
So "get your kicks - on route 66"... (I have to admit I don't have a favourite Shakespearean Sonnet, but those fully quoted,## 29, 66, 129, are close...)
Tom
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2003 5:01 pm
by Kush
My apologies Byron & Linmag.......I missed your query.
Here is the site....I have never read Shakespeare either until Tom posted the sonnet.
http://www.shakespeares-sonnets.com/
Byron....i also intended to respond to your Charles Aznavour comment on another thread but never got around to it. I have almost all his English compositions and a few French ones too and he has never covered Suzanne. In fact, I can't recall him covering anybody else's music, but am not sure. Dylan is the only songwriter I know that prolifically sings covers 4 official complete albums + numerous bootlegs.