But Lizz, i wasn't talking to you. I was talking to Heathcliff.
You were merely being an opportunist by dragging up my post and presenting it to H., to bolster your offense at his remark to Vince's (sex) post.
If you were so personally offended by what I had said to him on page 1, you would have commented on my words from the start, not when you saw opportunity knocking. Or maybe this is the only way passive-aggressiveness can operate....
regards,
Laurie
It's me again Heathcliff ~
"Passive-aggressiveness"? No. Just fair's fair. Perhaps, pointing out a matter of 'reverse sexism' 
. If he's going to accuse a male of being all that, then what about the female who did similarly? Who knows why? But, off balance, for sure. It just happened to be you. Sorry about that, but you were the one initially in control there. Once he started in with 'name calling,' however, I felt inclined to point out that he was 'picking on' Vince, if he was going to bypass you. However, once he relented on Vince, I felt equally inclined to dismiss the issue with you. That's called "fair's fair," too.
I simply pointed it out. It wasn't a matter of my being offended or not ~ you're the one who entered in specifically [for the express purpose of] to make a negative remark to him. I was already here, doing otherwise. I didn't feel inclined to say something to you [even though I disagreed and 'even though' it was you ~ that incorporates the idea of "passive aggressiveness"]. I'm not so lacking in creativity, innovation, or skills that I couldn't have devised a P-A way of doing it, then, had that been my intent. You weren't talking to me in the first place; but, you were in the second place [the last two]. There's another parallel. I wasn't talking to you, either. I was talking to Heathcliffe.
You sure seem to feel qualified in psycho-babble, though. First, it's 'only happy when self-flagallating' and now it's "passive-aggressiveness." If you're uncomfortable with my pointing something out to young Heathcliffe, perhaps I should be applying my own, psycho-babble words, the P and GC ones ~ Paranoid? Guilt Complex?
However, LU comes to mind ~ that would be Lighten Up
.
This will surely going down in the annals of history as another thing we disagree on. [ ~ Oh, well ~
~ ]
~ Lizzy
. If he's going to accuse a male of being all that, then what about the female who did similarly? Who knows why? But, off balance, for sure. It just happened to be you. Sorry about that, but you were the one initially in control there. Once he started in with 'name calling,' however, I felt inclined to point out that he was 'picking on' Vince, if he was going to bypass you. However, once he relented on Vince, I felt equally inclined to dismiss the issue with you. That's called "fair's fair," too.I simply pointed it out. It wasn't a matter of my being offended or not ~ you're the one who entered in specifically [for the express purpose of] to make a negative remark to him. I was already here, doing otherwise. I didn't feel inclined to say something to you [even though I disagreed and 'even though' it was you ~ that incorporates the idea of "passive aggressiveness"]. I'm not so lacking in creativity, innovation, or skills that I couldn't have devised a P-A way of doing it, then, had that been my intent. You weren't talking to me in the first place; but, you were in the second place [the last two]. There's another parallel. I wasn't talking to you, either. I was talking to Heathcliffe.
You sure seem to feel qualified in psycho-babble, though. First, it's 'only happy when self-flagallating' and now it's "passive-aggressiveness." If you're uncomfortable with my pointing something out to young Heathcliffe, perhaps I should be applying my own, psycho-babble words, the P and GC ones ~ Paranoid? Guilt Complex?
However, LU comes to mind ~ that would be Lighten Up
. This will surely going down in the annals of history as another thing we disagree on. [ ~ Oh, well ~
~ ]~ Lizzy
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Heathcliffe
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I regret being the cause of any resentment amongst people here, and i will be trying to take the first steps on the road to recovery from my darkness, and thank everyone who has read and responded to my posts. I am sorry for venting words of hate that were not true, I was just so frustrated at the time and beyond reason. I have deleted the words to Vince from my post.
Listen son, I told you this then and I'll repeat it here again now. Don't you ever learn?
Heathcliff, I too can empathise with your troubles and the curse that has befallen your poor, young, miserable life.
I am a little older than what you are, but I can still recall the intensity of the remorse, which dereft me, brestfallen and without a friend in the world.
I was only 69 at the time and despite my natural womanly erges, I had to aknowlidge that what I felt for someone else, was not being recipricated.
I can still hear the words of the idol of my dreams as he turned to me and said, "It's no good June, we are not meant to be. I have loved you from afar and in all honesty, that was probably the best place to be."
So he left.
One day Heathcliff you shall find someone what can give you what you so desperately need and I know from the heart rending words that you've written, that there is someone who could bring you the Joy and a promise of milk and honey. Until then, I can only suggest that you be patient, my dear, and ignoring all the unkind words what others have said to you, that you take yourself in hand and keep the curtains closed on this dreadfully, soul destroying, unbelievably cruel time in your unennviable life.
I hope I've managed to cheer you up.
Take care
Heathcliff, I too can empathise with your troubles and the curse that has befallen your poor, young, miserable life.
I am a little older than what you are, but I can still recall the intensity of the remorse, which dereft me, brestfallen and without a friend in the world.
I was only 69 at the time and despite my natural womanly erges, I had to aknowlidge that what I felt for someone else, was not being recipricated.
I can still hear the words of the idol of my dreams as he turned to me and said, "It's no good June, we are not meant to be. I have loved you from afar and in all honesty, that was probably the best place to be."
So he left.
One day Heathcliff you shall find someone what can give you what you so desperately need and I know from the heart rending words that you've written, that there is someone who could bring you the Joy and a promise of milk and honey. Until then, I can only suggest that you be patient, my dear, and ignoring all the unkind words what others have said to you, that you take yourself in hand and keep the curtains closed on this dreadfully, soul destroying, unbelievably cruel time in your unennviable life.
I hope I've managed to cheer you up.
Take care
Hi Heathcliffe ~
I seriously wish you the best on that road. Actually, you seem remarkably mature for your age, in several areas, in comparison with some/many[?] of the 23-year-olds I've seen out and about in today's world.
As for what occurs here, you're not 'responsible' ~ we all have choices, and we all make them. I chose to respond to you the way I have, and then could've let it slide, regarding your post to Vince, but decided not to. Others had the same choices with regard to their entries here.
It sounds like you're going to do well. I wish you much sunshine and brightness. You deserve both.
~ Lizzy
I seriously wish you the best on that road. Actually, you seem remarkably mature for your age, in several areas, in comparison with some/many[?] of the 23-year-olds I've seen out and about in today's world.
As for what occurs here, you're not 'responsible' ~ we all have choices, and we all make them. I chose to respond to you the way I have, and then could've let it slide, regarding your post to Vince, but decided not to. Others had the same choices with regard to their entries here.
It sounds like you're going to do well. I wish you much sunshine and brightness. You deserve both.
~ Lizzy
~Our lives are so short by comparison to things that live longer. My friend Swimpy has asked that I relay his thoughts and this message to you. He assures me it is his own words and that he has given up a lot of his valuable time to concentrate on the terrible time you are having.
Dear Heatclift, although matters for you are at a low ebb, I can assure you that when the tide of life returns, you will discover the true depths to which you have sunk. Only when we have been to the deepest depths can we attain the uplifting thrusts that life has given to us.
You are truly blessed Heathcliff(e) to be cogniscent of the breadth and depth of the known and unknowable world that envelops us all through Eternity and beyond your mortal coil.
I have drifted through lives and existences that could turn your blood to sheep dippings, if you did but know how close you have come to the truth of Love, in all of its glories. For one so lost and without the partnership that a fellow soul could enlighten to extacies beyond this life and the next three, you do have a certain ring of truth to your quest for the ring of matrimony or a long turn relationship, or two.
Cast aside your troubled brow, clasp the nettle to your bosom, speak softly and carry a big scicle to ward off the enemies of the heart and all its workings. Avoid the pervayors of scorn and condominiums and put your trust in those who would do unto you as you would do unto others, who would do unto the others, what you had done to the other others. What goes round, comes round, and your life will surely blossom and bare fruits for all to see. Put your shoulder to the wheels and notwithstanding the heavy burdens that life has piled on top of you, say, "to hell with these piles," and take the nettles you have clasped within your left hand and work your magic with your right hand.
We face derision at every corner when those who do not understand the issues known only to the few who cannot dispel the slings and plasters of medicinal community caring within a sea of pain, and yet, surprisingly, but not totally, true, we can explore the reasons for their lack of a true understanding of this simple, and yet, beautiful side to human nature.
You have opened minds and connections long believed to be extinct since the time when Adam was a teenager who lusted after her serpants in the Garden of Eve. Yes, Heathcliff(e) you are the One. Carry your message forward unto the darkness and don't look back, or up, and we shall surely know when you have arrived at your appointed time and place. The chain of the office shall announce your endeavours complete and we lowly passage sweepers shall declare you as the One of the Twoes.
Bless you young Heathcliff(e) and long may your name be sung to the hills for aeons to come.
You are not alone. There are many here with me who look forward to the day when you too shall join our happy throng. Well at least three of us anyway.
Dear Heatclift, although matters for you are at a low ebb, I can assure you that when the tide of life returns, you will discover the true depths to which you have sunk. Only when we have been to the deepest depths can we attain the uplifting thrusts that life has given to us.
You are truly blessed Heathcliff(e) to be cogniscent of the breadth and depth of the known and unknowable world that envelops us all through Eternity and beyond your mortal coil.
I have drifted through lives and existences that could turn your blood to sheep dippings, if you did but know how close you have come to the truth of Love, in all of its glories. For one so lost and without the partnership that a fellow soul could enlighten to extacies beyond this life and the next three, you do have a certain ring of truth to your quest for the ring of matrimony or a long turn relationship, or two.
Cast aside your troubled brow, clasp the nettle to your bosom, speak softly and carry a big scicle to ward off the enemies of the heart and all its workings. Avoid the pervayors of scorn and condominiums and put your trust in those who would do unto you as you would do unto others, who would do unto the others, what you had done to the other others. What goes round, comes round, and your life will surely blossom and bare fruits for all to see. Put your shoulder to the wheels and notwithstanding the heavy burdens that life has piled on top of you, say, "to hell with these piles," and take the nettles you have clasped within your left hand and work your magic with your right hand.
We face derision at every corner when those who do not understand the issues known only to the few who cannot dispel the slings and plasters of medicinal community caring within a sea of pain, and yet, surprisingly, but not totally, true, we can explore the reasons for their lack of a true understanding of this simple, and yet, beautiful side to human nature.
You have opened minds and connections long believed to be extinct since the time when Adam was a teenager who lusted after her serpants in the Garden of Eve. Yes, Heathcliff(e) you are the One. Carry your message forward unto the darkness and don't look back, or up, and we shall surely know when you have arrived at your appointed time and place. The chain of the office shall announce your endeavours complete and we lowly passage sweepers shall declare you as the One of the Twoes.
Bless you young Heathcliff(e) and long may your name be sung to the hills for aeons to come.
You are not alone. There are many here with me who look forward to the day when you too shall join our happy throng. Well at least three of us anyway.
I felt this whole thread was a wind up from the start by young Heathcliff(e) and I think Laurie recognised it by commenting as she did. It's a shame things moved on in the way that they did 
I wish you ladies could get back to being friends again
By the way, "Scouser" in Britain is an expression to describe a citizen of Liverpool, in the same way that "Cockney" refers to a Londoner, or "Brummie" a person from Birmingham. I 've lived here over 25 years but will never be accepted as a true "Cestrian"
I wish you ladies could get back to being friends again By the way, "Scouser" in Britain is an expression to describe a citizen of Liverpool, in the same way that "Cockney" refers to a Londoner, or "Brummie" a person from Birmingham. I 've lived here over 25 years but will never be accepted as a true "Cestrian"
Dear Margaret~
Thanks for being a smart cookie and for speaking up.
You are absolutely right. That was my inference to this thread, and still is and why I posted as I did. Bringing THAT issue up this morning after seeing my post dragged through mud by QE was a non-issue.
I suppose whining, and saying, "she started it" is out of order?
Again, thanks for speaking up and recognizing my motives.
Sorry for commenting at all to Qe's post. I knew better.
regards,
Laurie
Thanks for being a smart cookie and for speaking up.
You are absolutely right. That was my inference to this thread, and still is and why I posted as I did. Bringing THAT issue up this morning after seeing my post dragged through mud by QE was a non-issue.
I suppose whining, and saying, "she started it" is out of order?
Again, thanks for speaking up and recognizing my motives.
Sorry for commenting at all to Qe's post. I knew better.
regards,
Laurie
Thanks for being a smart cookie and for speaking up.
Hmmmm..........I'd call your response to Margaret's post a 'switching of tracks'
. However, whatever works for you. There was certainly plenty of opportunity for calling a spade a spade regarding wind-ups and disbelief, rather than 'grow up' and 'spoon feeding a baby' references. They're quite different, you know. But, if it gets you out, go for it. Though others may, I'm not buying it [just for the record ~ not that you care ]. Whine on, if you like.~ Lizzy
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Heathcliffe
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Why, why did you feel it was a wind up? because I don't want to use women and treat them like sh**? because I want to find real love, real fulfilment? I admit to myself and to everyone that I aspire to an impossible life, that I only wanted one relationship that would last me all of my life. Because I don't want to decieve and be decieved, is that what you are all so used to game playing? wind ups? It depresses me too, that maybe now I won't be able to trust or believe if a woman says she loves me in future. So have a good laugh. I'm only here now to wait dfor one person to post, and then I'm leaving.