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Young dr. Freud
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Do not forget that Bush is currently, hard-line pushing his man, John Roberts, into place for replacing Sandra Day O'Connor as Supreme Court Judge. Roberts has a solidly, well-documented record for [since the 60s and 70s] being far-right, unequivocally against civil and equal-opportunity rights for blacks.
Could anyone imagine this 'prompt,' "we're moving heaven and earth"[!?!
~ quote from a FEMA director] "to get help to these people" as being one way to effectively cut the welfare rolls and need for new housing 
~ this line of thinking is creeping/rushing in, nationwide.
Even though many of my co-workers at first were appearing oblivious to this tragedy, at least they're now beginning to [albeit heatedly] express their views on the response/lack of response [depending on their perspective].
I'm not at all surprized to see what the reporting on this looks like overseas. Common sense has to play a part in this somewhere!
Could anyone imagine this 'prompt,' "we're moving heaven and earth"[!?!
~ quote from a FEMA director] "to get help to these people" as being one way to effectively cut the welfare rolls and need for new housing ~ this line of thinking is creeping/rushing in, nationwide.Even though many of my co-workers at first were appearing oblivious to this tragedy, at least they're now beginning to [albeit heatedly] express their views on the response/lack of response [depending on their perspective].
I'm not at all surprized to see what the reporting on this looks like overseas. Common sense has to play a part in this somewhere!
This is how the CBC reported it. No mention of black or white, people are people.
Anarchy, death and relief for some in New Orleans
Last Updated Thu, 01 Sep 2005 21:42:32 EDT
CBC News
Rotting bodies littered the flooded streets of New Orleans Thursday and escalating violence threatened all-out anarchy as thousands of survivors of Hurricane Katrina pleaded to be evacuated, or even just fed.
Outside Convention Center in New Orleans (AP Photo/Eric Gay)
The historic Louisiana city has seen armed looters roam the water-filled streets since Katrina tore through and it now resembles a third-world trouble spot in a refugee crisis.
A million people fled the New Orleans area before Katrina hit but tens of thousands of others were unable to get out or could not afford to make the journey.
Police units, rescue teams and even hospital workers came under fire and New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin pleaded for urgent help Thursday to get thousands of evacuees to safety. "This is a desperate SOS."
Sporadic gunfire hampered chaotic and widely criticized rescue efforts. Residents complained police and troops had failed to tackle the looting and shootings or help in the rescue effort.
As those in the New Orleans Superdome boarded buses Thursday for the long trip to safety at the Astrodome in Houston, Texas, thousands of others showed up to get what they saw as the quickest way out of town.
Weary New Orleans refugees waded through ankle-deep water, grabbed a bottle of water from state troopers and happily hopped on buses that would deliver them from the horrendous conditions of the Superdome.
At the back end of the line, people jammed against police barricades in the rain. Refugees passed out and had to be lifted hand-over-hand overhead to medics, and the evacuation became more complicated as thousands more storm victims showed up at the arena in New Orleans.
Capt. John Pollard of the Texas Air Force National Guard said 20,000 people were in the dome when the evacuation efforts began. By Thursday afternoon, the number had swelled to about 30,000.
Pollard said people poured into the Superdome because they believe it's the best place to get a ride out of town.
Refugees began arriving Thursday at the Astrodome in Houston, where they got a shower, a hot meal and a cool place to sleep.
"I would rather have been in jail," Janice Jones said in obvious relief at being out of the Superdome. "I've been in there seven days and I haven't had a bath. They treated us like animals. Everybody is scared."
The Astrodome's new residents will be issued passes that will let them leave and return as they please, something that wasn't permitted in New Orleans. Organizers also plan to find ways to help the refugees contact relatives.
Besides the 25,000 or so hurricane refugees being brought to Houston, officials said another 25,000 would be taken to San Antonio and other locations.
Back in New Orleans, an angry Terry Ebbert, head of the city's emergency operations, watched the slow exodus from the Superdome Thursday morning and said the Federal Emergency Management Agency response was inadequate.
The chaos at the nearby New Orleans Convention Center was considerably more hostile than the Superdome, with few options for refugees to leave the scene. "We want help," people chanted -- thousands had been told to seek shelter at the convention centre when Katrina pounded the Gulf Coast Monday, only to find inadequate supplies of food and water.
Several corpses lay in nearby streets. The body of one elderly woman was abandoned in her wheelchair, covered with just a blanket. Officials feared thousands of people were dead.
"We need ground transportation to get the evacuees out. We need to get them to shelter, get them to food, get them to a safer environment," Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco said.
The air ambulance service in charge of taking the sick and injured from the Superdome suspended flights for a few hours after a shot was reported fired at a military helicopter.
After a traffic jam kept buses from arriving at the Superdome for nearly four hours, a near-riot broke out in the scramble to get on the buses that finally showed up.
With much of the city flooded and without electricity, hospitals were struggling to evacuate critically ill patients who were dying because there was not enough oxygen, insulin or intravenous fluids.
Military reinforcements arrived in helicopters and armored personnel carriers patrolled Canal Street, which borders New Orleans' legendary French Quarter district of bars and clubs.
Search crews probed the rubble of collapsed buildings with tiny heat-sensing robots to find the living and cadaver dogs to find the dead. They were still pulling out survivors, and leaving behind corpses trapped under debris.
Senior Pentagon officials said the National Guard force on the storm-ravaged Gulf coast would be raised to 30,000, and 3,000 regular Army soldiers may also be sent in to tackle armed gangs that have looted stores across New Orleans.
On the ground, however, there was no sign the mayhem was being brought under control, and residents feared further violence and bloodshed once darkness fell.
By mid-afternoon Thursday, the Federal Emergency Management Agency said it had delivered food and drinking water to those in the Superdome and that the situation there was under control.
Michael Brown said FEMA was delivering food and drinking water to about 5,000 still at the convention centre.
Brown said one of the ideas they were looking at was to bring in cruise ships to house victims and emergency workers.
The floodwaters started to drop Thursday in New Orleans, which is mostly below sea level and was deluged by water from Lake Pontchartrain after levees broke. But much of the city was still under several feet of water and officials said it could take a month to get the water out.
Looting and tension eased in Biloxi, Mississippi, as troops arrived and the Salvation Army began serving 1,200 meals a day at a canteen set up beside the charity's demolished building.
"The truth is, a terrible tragedy like this brings out the best in most people, brings out the worst in some people," said Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour. "We're trying to deal with looters as ruthlessly as we can get our hands on them." .........
Anarchy, death and relief for some in New Orleans
Last Updated Thu, 01 Sep 2005 21:42:32 EDT
CBC News
Rotting bodies littered the flooded streets of New Orleans Thursday and escalating violence threatened all-out anarchy as thousands of survivors of Hurricane Katrina pleaded to be evacuated, or even just fed.
Outside Convention Center in New Orleans (AP Photo/Eric Gay)
The historic Louisiana city has seen armed looters roam the water-filled streets since Katrina tore through and it now resembles a third-world trouble spot in a refugee crisis.
A million people fled the New Orleans area before Katrina hit but tens of thousands of others were unable to get out or could not afford to make the journey.
Police units, rescue teams and even hospital workers came under fire and New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin pleaded for urgent help Thursday to get thousands of evacuees to safety. "This is a desperate SOS."
Sporadic gunfire hampered chaotic and widely criticized rescue efforts. Residents complained police and troops had failed to tackle the looting and shootings or help in the rescue effort.
As those in the New Orleans Superdome boarded buses Thursday for the long trip to safety at the Astrodome in Houston, Texas, thousands of others showed up to get what they saw as the quickest way out of town.
Weary New Orleans refugees waded through ankle-deep water, grabbed a bottle of water from state troopers and happily hopped on buses that would deliver them from the horrendous conditions of the Superdome.
At the back end of the line, people jammed against police barricades in the rain. Refugees passed out and had to be lifted hand-over-hand overhead to medics, and the evacuation became more complicated as thousands more storm victims showed up at the arena in New Orleans.
Capt. John Pollard of the Texas Air Force National Guard said 20,000 people were in the dome when the evacuation efforts began. By Thursday afternoon, the number had swelled to about 30,000.
Pollard said people poured into the Superdome because they believe it's the best place to get a ride out of town.
Refugees began arriving Thursday at the Astrodome in Houston, where they got a shower, a hot meal and a cool place to sleep.
"I would rather have been in jail," Janice Jones said in obvious relief at being out of the Superdome. "I've been in there seven days and I haven't had a bath. They treated us like animals. Everybody is scared."
The Astrodome's new residents will be issued passes that will let them leave and return as they please, something that wasn't permitted in New Orleans. Organizers also plan to find ways to help the refugees contact relatives.
Besides the 25,000 or so hurricane refugees being brought to Houston, officials said another 25,000 would be taken to San Antonio and other locations.
Back in New Orleans, an angry Terry Ebbert, head of the city's emergency operations, watched the slow exodus from the Superdome Thursday morning and said the Federal Emergency Management Agency response was inadequate.
The chaos at the nearby New Orleans Convention Center was considerably more hostile than the Superdome, with few options for refugees to leave the scene. "We want help," people chanted -- thousands had been told to seek shelter at the convention centre when Katrina pounded the Gulf Coast Monday, only to find inadequate supplies of food and water.
Several corpses lay in nearby streets. The body of one elderly woman was abandoned in her wheelchair, covered with just a blanket. Officials feared thousands of people were dead.
"We need ground transportation to get the evacuees out. We need to get them to shelter, get them to food, get them to a safer environment," Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco said.
The air ambulance service in charge of taking the sick and injured from the Superdome suspended flights for a few hours after a shot was reported fired at a military helicopter.
After a traffic jam kept buses from arriving at the Superdome for nearly four hours, a near-riot broke out in the scramble to get on the buses that finally showed up.
With much of the city flooded and without electricity, hospitals were struggling to evacuate critically ill patients who were dying because there was not enough oxygen, insulin or intravenous fluids.
Military reinforcements arrived in helicopters and armored personnel carriers patrolled Canal Street, which borders New Orleans' legendary French Quarter district of bars and clubs.
Search crews probed the rubble of collapsed buildings with tiny heat-sensing robots to find the living and cadaver dogs to find the dead. They were still pulling out survivors, and leaving behind corpses trapped under debris.
Senior Pentagon officials said the National Guard force on the storm-ravaged Gulf coast would be raised to 30,000, and 3,000 regular Army soldiers may also be sent in to tackle armed gangs that have looted stores across New Orleans.
On the ground, however, there was no sign the mayhem was being brought under control, and residents feared further violence and bloodshed once darkness fell.
By mid-afternoon Thursday, the Federal Emergency Management Agency said it had delivered food and drinking water to those in the Superdome and that the situation there was under control.
Michael Brown said FEMA was delivering food and drinking water to about 5,000 still at the convention centre.
Brown said one of the ideas they were looking at was to bring in cruise ships to house victims and emergency workers.
The floodwaters started to drop Thursday in New Orleans, which is mostly below sea level and was deluged by water from Lake Pontchartrain after levees broke. But much of the city was still under several feet of water and officials said it could take a month to get the water out.
Looting and tension eased in Biloxi, Mississippi, as troops arrived and the Salvation Army began serving 1,200 meals a day at a canteen set up beside the charity's demolished building.
"The truth is, a terrible tragedy like this brings out the best in most people, brings out the worst in some people," said Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour. "We're trying to deal with looters as ruthlessly as we can get our hands on them." .........
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Young dr. Freud
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Lizzytysh,
The only thing "exposed" is Dem's rather strange obsession for scouring the internet for ammunition to use in his private war against the USA.
(Dem, seriously man, get a gun and come on over.)
So what if the white dude caption said "found" not "looted". That's one caption. Maybe he did find it. Maybe the other guy did loot. Maybe the photographer saw him loot.
I repeat. Big deal.
YdF
The only thing "exposed" is Dem's rather strange obsession for scouring the internet for ammunition to use in his private war against the USA.
(Dem, seriously man, get a gun and come on over.)
So what if the white dude caption said "found" not "looted". That's one caption. Maybe he did find it. Maybe the other guy did loot. Maybe the photographer saw him loot.
I repeat. Big deal.
YdF
The distinctions you've made, YdF, may be correct. I didn't see the footage. That may be exactly what happened. Does "looting" require the breaking of a window or door, or is it simply taking what does not belong to you? If so, found food would be looted food. I could speak better to the terminology's use if I had seen the actual report.
Young dr. Freud wrote
It simply exposes your American culture: "get a gun and go over to a country you don't like and fix it'.
I'd rather stick to my Greek culture and donate some money for the
afflicted people if the USA officially asks for international help.
Dem
Dear Young dr.Idiot thanks for the suggestion but I won't follow it.(Dem, seriously man, get a gun and come on over.)
It simply exposes your American culture: "get a gun and go over to a country you don't like and fix it'.
I'd rather stick to my Greek culture and donate some money for the
afflicted people if the USA officially asks for international help.
Dem
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Young dr. Freud
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Oh, Thank You. Thank You.
But why wait for an "official asking" from the hated American Government before you donate to the "afflicted."
You're a prosperous communist with a computer. You can go to any number of sites and Click your Greek donation.
YdF
P.S. I think you would be a lot happier here. Gun or no gun. Think of all the "exposing" you could do.
But why wait for an "official asking" from the hated American Government before you donate to the "afflicted."
You're a prosperous communist with a computer. You can go to any number of sites and Click your Greek donation.
YdF
P.S. I think you would be a lot happier here. Gun or no gun. Think of all the "exposing" you could do.
I will wait first for Bush before I send my donation.
You see I wouldn't like to humilate the country that spends billions of dollars in Iraq but needs international help to feed its own people
Dem
PS) As for being there and doing the "exposing", no need.
As you use the nickname "Young dr.Freud" you must know that the old dr.Freud did the exposing himself after his visit in the USA in 1909.
"It's a huge mistake" he had said then about the country.
You see I wouldn't like to humilate the country that spends billions of dollars in Iraq but needs international help to feed its own people
Dem
PS) As for being there and doing the "exposing", no need.
As you use the nickname "Young dr.Freud" you must know that the old dr.Freud did the exposing himself after his visit in the USA in 1909.
"It's a huge mistake" he had said then about the country.
YdF 
We find your exploitation of the people's 
use of language
for the apparent purpose
of making fun
of it 
to be the counter-revolutionary
subversive petty reactionary elitist
eloquence of a decadent 
bourgeoisie
Comrades of the Forum unite
Brighter days are ahead
Liberation is at hand
DeYdFification
is afoot
History will soon be behind us
~the people speak
We find your exploitation
of the people's use of language
for the apparent purpose of making fun
of it to be the counter-revolutionary subversive
petty reactionary elitist eloquence
of a decadent bourgeoisie Comrades of the Forum unite
Brighter days are ahead
Liberation is at hand
DeYdFification
is afoot History will soon be behind us
~the people
speak
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Tchocolatl
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I warned you that you'll witness the extreme best and worst of human nature these days.
Now I did not think it will be over here, but, well, reality is always more complicated than expected.
Below are links for people who are caring for Katrina's victims :
http://www.louisianacajun.com/subcategory.asp?id=mma
http://www.nwmedicalteams.org/
http://www.fema.gov/press/2005/resources_katrina.shtm
I know I'm the first to joke about everything, but believe me when I tell you this is not because I was not taking these matter seriously. Joke as much as you feel you must, but please, do also a little something to help.
If you think that you are safe in your house and that does not concern you, think, that the next danger are diseases than can come from the sanity problems they are encounters now. It can spread very fast to other area of earth.
Have a nice day.
Yes, it is a little acid.
Now I did not think it will be over here, but, well, reality is always more complicated than expected.
Below are links for people who are caring for Katrina's victims :
http://www.louisianacajun.com/subcategory.asp?id=mma
http://www.nwmedicalteams.org/
http://www.fema.gov/press/2005/resources_katrina.shtm
I know I'm the first to joke about everything, but believe me when I tell you this is not because I was not taking these matter seriously. Joke as much as you feel you must, but please, do also a little something to help.
If you think that you are safe in your house and that does not concern you, think, that the next danger are diseases than can come from the sanity problems they are encounters now. It can spread very fast to other area of earth.
Have a nice day.
Yes, it is a little acid.
It's such nonsense all the reporting in the news that somehow this is racist America at work.
For those who live outside the U.S.A. -- New Orleans is 70 percent Black/African American. The police force is 60 Percent Black/African American. The Mayor of New Orleans, The Chief of Police, the City Council, the Public Works Director, practically the whole political infrastructure is Black/African American. So it's no surprise that those you see on your television screen are Black/African American.
It wasn't just white middle class Americans who fled the city. The Black/African American middle class families fled too. As well as most of the poor.
For a city the size of New Orleans what's surprising is not that everyone didn't leave, but that almost all of the city was evacuated.
For those who live outside the U.S.A. -- New Orleans is 70 percent Black/African American. The police force is 60 Percent Black/African American. The Mayor of New Orleans, The Chief of Police, the City Council, the Public Works Director, practically the whole political infrastructure is Black/African American. So it's no surprise that those you see on your television screen are Black/African American.
It wasn't just white middle class Americans who fled the city. The Black/African American middle class families fled too. As well as most of the poor.
For a city the size of New Orleans what's surprising is not that everyone didn't leave, but that almost all of the city was evacuated.
I agree with Jurica totally. The media over here are showing pictures of people 90% black 10% "poor" white.
The only official "aid" I have seen in the papers and telly is armed police chasing looters.
If you were in their shoes would you walk pass a shop stocked with food and water and take the moral high ground I am bloody sure I wouldn't.
The only official "aid" I have seen in the papers and telly is armed police chasing looters.
If you were in their shoes would you walk pass a shop stocked with food and water and take the moral high ground I am bloody sure I wouldn't.
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The U.S. Administration has set itself up for the blame and backlash it is receiving at this time. The HERO/SUPER-HERO [ruse] has dragging feet when it has come to taking care of its own, minority populations. About 90% Black, 10% Poor White sounds about right, Paula.
The 'politically correct' ~ much less HUMANE ~ response to this horror show would have been to ACTUALLY move heaven and earth to get aid where it's needed ~ immediately! Keep your mouths closed ~ and ACT!
The excuses are not acceptable. They're not even believable, beyond the first day or two. The skies over and the waters submerging New Orleans, Mississippi, and Alabama should have been FILLED with helicopters and boats. The peripheries of all stricken areas should have had rescue operations set up with triage stations and trucks of supplies. I DO not, CAN not, and WILL not accept all these bloody-fucking excuses the government is mealy-mouthed giving.
Please, white Christians, do NOT start on the Biloxi-gambling, New Orleans-'lifestyle,' God's punishment crap. I saw something, somewhere, here that appeared that this may be occurring. For one thing, Christianity is and always has been very strong in the Black communities. The whole area, in general ~ being the Deep South ~ is very Christian.
The 'politically correct' ~ much less HUMANE ~ response to this horror show would have been to ACTUALLY move heaven and earth to get aid where it's needed ~ immediately! Keep your mouths closed ~ and ACT!
The excuses are not acceptable. They're not even believable, beyond the first day or two. The skies over and the waters submerging New Orleans, Mississippi, and Alabama should have been FILLED with helicopters and boats. The peripheries of all stricken areas should have had rescue operations set up with triage stations and trucks of supplies. I DO not, CAN not, and WILL not accept all these bloody-fucking excuses the government is mealy-mouthed giving.
Please, white Christians, do NOT start on the Biloxi-gambling, New Orleans-'lifestyle,' God's punishment crap. I saw something, somewhere, here that appeared that this may be occurring. For one thing, Christianity is and always has been very strong in the Black communities. The whole area, in general ~ being the Deep South ~ is very Christian.
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Tchocolatl
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This discussion is a hobby like another one but eveybody knows the dice are loaded.
Everybody knows there are racism and social class problems out there, and not only in the US. Now I agree, Katrina is not a racist. Nor the US is more than the rest of the world. Those problem are "normal" all over the world.
Funny to see that only religious organizations of all sorts and kinds are the more efficients and concerned - along with the Red Cross. Of course.
Everybody knows the governments and the army are there to take care about econony, not about people.
Actions speaks louder than any speech. Spitful, the speech, or not. Spitful to the top of ones head or not.
The powerful super power has the means to avoid those kind of things. Ey! come on! Any other argument of how they act in the best manner is a poor lie.
Everybody knows there are racism and social class problems out there, and not only in the US. Now I agree, Katrina is not a racist. Nor the US is more than the rest of the world. Those problem are "normal" all over the world.
Funny to see that only religious organizations of all sorts and kinds are the more efficients and concerned - along with the Red Cross. Of course.
Everybody knows the governments and the army are there to take care about econony, not about people.
Actions speaks louder than any speech. Spitful, the speech, or not. Spitful to the top of ones head or not.
The powerful super power has the means to avoid those kind of things. Ey! come on! Any other argument of how they act in the best manner is a poor lie.