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"he took alot of time and energy to provide it."

Yes, he has done this repeatedly throughout his stay here. He will make great efforts to thouroughly rip apart those that have annoyed him.
Such a shame. He could be using that energy to work on his own talents but that is not his way.
His relentless attacks against those who question him shows his paranoia. Sad... and a bit scary.

John K. wrote:Hey T - Another way to look at this, while you may not appreciate C2 or his "feedback", he took alot of time and energy to provide it. It is said that feedback is as much about the giver as it is about the recipient, and I would suggest that goes for all of us, not just C2.

For my poem, C2 left a nice comment. Judge Joe may not have thought that much of my poem (can't say for sure since there's no feedback) but Joe is just one guy, and C2 is just one guy.

you're very welcome John. what's your poetry story?

I think it is such a shame when people aren't prepared to make the effort to read and comment on the efforts of others.

Teratogen wrote:you like playing games with yourself, paints--uh, i mean, c2?

yes it took me a while to work that one out as well. but watch how they go on-line together. watch how "critic2" deals with the poems and "paints" plays the non-writer just here to stir things up. it's a clever double act and you were the first to call it. kudos to you!!!

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John, you accept the opinion of someone though you have no idea what his credentials are or what his opinion is worth. The fact that he has been arrogant, loud and obnoxious is enough validation for you. He's an asshole so he must know what he's talking about? Hmmm.... Well, good luck with that.

As for you folks that are entertaining this idea that C2 and I are the same, pure rubbish. C2 has many (MANY) identities on here. I have two.

John K. wrote:Paints - There is no doubt that C2 can be rough when giving feedback. When C2 complimented my poem last week I specifically pointed out to my wife how he must have REALLY liked it because of how critical he can be, and how it was probably equivalent of 10 Judge Joe prizes. Frankly, I wish I had had someone like C2 in my creative life 20 years ago, I wouldn't have spent so much time trying to "polish turds" that I was working on back then.

I work in an environment where people need to be thick skinned, so perhaps I'm less sensitive than others are. Then again, I don't know, maybe it's just me.

C2 - I'm not sure what you mean by my "poetry story". If you are asking which one was mine, it is #9 "Black and White Sunset".



And if Paints and C2 are in fact the same person, then that's one less person who might read this posting.

no, I just meant have you been writing long!

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Wait just a second here. Did I miss something? First, John K. I agree that crits, no matter who they come from, have their value. All writers from the best to the worst is criticised somewhere along the line. Crtis are, after all, are just a matter of opinion. With that said, I'm going to have to go back and reread some of the other commentary to see if I have it straight. Oh boy, a peron can sure lose a lot of ground by sleeping!

Linda

"Frankly, I wish I had had someone like C2 in my creative life 20 years ago. I wouldn't have spent so much time trying to "polish turds" that I was working on back then"
is a tad more than just accepting that persons opinion, it's a ringing endorsement.

As I said, good luck with that.

I came, I saw, I scratched my head. In an effort to put some kind of foundation beneath my feet, I'm going to walk over and have a peak at the crits. (forgive me, I've been around the board but not around the crits since, oh I don't know when). Maybe that way, I can get a better perspective as to what in the hell is going on here. Maybe I should go back to bed. Oh! I can't. Dammit.

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John, there are so few songwriters whose work stand as poems or great prose. it's a different art of course. but our man is one and, in a very different style, so is Tom Waits. it's a good point made that some of the poems in our little comp. have real potential as songs,

a guy who used to post here asked me to write songs for a musical he was involved in. I found it fun, and in fact very easy, to write songs for him (once he supplied the title, I can write anything to fit a title except "winter"!!). he had to do the music as I can't play, can't sing.

Well, thank you John for bringing all the loose ends together so that I, at least, have some idea as to where/why everyone is coming from.

I think crits have value no matter who does the critting (so much easier to type). If Joe Blow took an hour to read the post, create the crit and then type it out, the poem has to have meant something. I could be wrong, but I don't think C2 or anyone on the board tears people's poems to pieces just for the hell of it. I don't think anyone here is a poem vandal.
We aren't 2 year olds.

If Joe Blow said this or that about a poem I can understand a person being hurt because their creation has been criticised to begin with. I would be. However, after my crying jag, I would probably try and look past whatever language was used and look at the actual crit. Could a different phrase have worked better, a different word, whatever. That's probably why I don't post poems. I'm too sensitive. In order to get a good poem you must have the strength to take the crits. None of us are Pulitzer Prize winners so I guess criticism is what we should be prepared for.

I wonder if any of that made sense? I'm going to post it and see. I'm open to criticism.

oh, and one more t'ing. I loved a thread I read ages ago on a poetry site after a novice writer whinged about a negative crit, complaining "I'm not going to read what this person said, he was really hard on me" and just like Teratogen added, with Terry Wogan sincerity, "i will just choose to not respond to him".

The critic then posted "oh, if you only wanted a hand-job, you should have said at the start and I would have saved my time"!



AUTHOR'S NOTE

Teratogen- pleasant but over-sensitive young man who keeps bad company on this forum

Terry Wogan- greasy twat, a broadcaster and red-faced fool, in England


Teratogen/Terry Wogan- a superb play with words. WELL DONE!

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