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right, and i bet you saw the zapruder film a million times on television, too, huh? it's one thing for a political figure to be murdered on tv and another thing for a famous person to be murdered. the juxtaposition is someone who was not an entertainer--murdered, shown on tv. someone who is an entertainer--murdered, not available to be seen. i dunno... maybe i'm putting things together to make nothing. but maybe there is something here. all i know is that the murder and entertainment part of this is something frightening and disgusting.
the chorus of one of marilyn manson's song, "lamb of god," which is essentially about the deaths of lennon and kennedy, says, "if you die when there's no one watching/then your ratings drop and you're forgotten/but if they kill you on their tv/you're a martyr and a lamb of god." i think that may sum up what i am trying to say here. it's very powerful.
the chorus of one of marilyn manson's song, "lamb of god," which is essentially about the deaths of lennon and kennedy, says, "if you die when there's no one watching/then your ratings drop and you're forgotten/but if they kill you on their tv/you're a martyr and a lamb of god." i think that may sum up what i am trying to say here. it's very powerful.
I'm not sure how I feel about those speculations/conjectures. I know what you're saying and what Marilyn Manson's saying, and I take your point. There are conspiracy theories that entwine both assassinations [allowing that word to apply to John Lennon, as well]. In that case, they would arrange for Kennedy's death to occur in the course of a motorcade that was already being filmed, and Lennon's to occur in the virtual darkness. Of course, those wanting Kennedy dead wouldn't necessarily want him to be perceived "a martyr and a lamb of god." Likewise, Lennon has in no way been forgotten; but they did manage to get the "Give Peace A Chance" figure off the big screen ~ and must grit their teeth at Christmas and political rallies when his powerful song still surfaces. He's every bit a lamb of G~d and as much a martyr to his 'cause.'
Absent the conspiracy theory ~ if each occurrence were to be viewed as pure happenstance
by fanatical weirdos ~ the reality is that Kennedy was continually on film and in the public eye far more than Lennon was. At that point in Lennon's life, he had pretty-much shunned the public arena in favour of Yoko, Sean, and being a stay-at-home Dad.
Just as many of us could not get enough footage into our eyes and brains when September 11 felled the Twin Towers, it was by far a greater psychological 'need' for us when Kennedy was shot. Nothing even close to this had happened in our 'modern day' ~ we had never witnessed such a horrific act. The repeated and repeated and repeated, ad infinitum, ad nauseum footage was part and parcel of our denial/acceptance process. Our PRESIDENT ~ our young, youthful, caring, dynamic, full-of-life, vibrant PRESIDENT ~ next to his equally young, youthful, caring, dynamic, full-of-life, vibrant WIFE ~ shot in front of our eyes! The whole of the nation was almost literally glued to our TV sets. People stayed home from work. The nation was grieving beyond belief. With all that repetition, just the minor addition of even a miniscule detail to the footage or to the commentary made watching the whole of it worthwhile for our spongelike brains ready to receive anything that might help anything come into focus. It was like being suddenly thrust into an explosion in a coal mine. The excess coverage seemed to become more of an issue in retrospect.
We are/have been, for the most part, a nation living in Camelot. The Kennedy administration was Camelot personified. Kennedy's assassination was traumatic. John Lennon's murder [feels like assassination] was traumatic. For me, he was far beyond an entertainment figure. He was as political in his way, and in his stance on peace, as any political figure.
It's been said that September 11 resulted in the loss of innocence for America on a worldwide scale. Kennedy's assassination resulted in the loss of innocence for America on a national scale. Pearl Harbor had to be the same for the people in proximity to it. Some other countries around the world have been eye witness to these levels and magnitudes of horrors ~ and worse ~ right along
.
Maybe we didn't need all the saturation of coverage at the time, but I can tell you that it sure felt like we needed it. There were huge amounts of disbelief and denial present. Any breakaway from it felt like we were being cut off from crucial and absolutely essential information ~ we were on hyper-alert and needed to have the information that matched our heightened state of awareness. To be cut off from it created a greater sense of vulnerability, the same way as when you fear someone being outside your house, you want the door locked and the porch light ON! If you have any alarm systems, you want them turned on. If they have a monitoring light, you want to see the green light blinking safety. I am really at a loss as to how to explain the explosiion in our consciousness that occurred with that. In retrospect [and even at the time], it felt like endless repetition ~ yet the grief process had begun, and the repetition felt essential, at least for some of us. I was one who didn't want to walk away from the TV set, or have anyone speak while the commentator was speaking, for fear of missing another piece of that horrific puzzle.
The reality is that Kennedy was already on TV when it happened. It wasn't like cameras rushing to the scene. The footage was already there. The replays were more of a natural fact. Replays of football plays, tennis matches, and other sports occur with regularity. The replays of Kennedy could be considered perverse entertainment; yet, at the time, it was part of bringing disbelief and denial into belief and acceptance. It was traumatic for our nation. Our President was gone. Period. Gone. I even teared up just now, as I wrote those three statements. I've sealed over that grief, but it's still accessible.
My personal reaction to Lennon's death was the same. Part of my own way of processing grief is information. Some just don't want to know, don't want to see, just want to hide and pretend something otherwise ~ that it didn't happen; that it did, and they'll just go on that, and go on with their lives ~ I don't know; or just not think about it . I'm just not that way. I want the details. Don't think that I "can't handle the truth" and try to shield me from the details. It's the truth I need at the base before I can start trying to rebuild.
If any of this doesn't seem to make sense, it may be because I'm going inside, on the spot, without any preparation. Trying to find the correct words and phrases to express those still-mangled feelings just isn't easy.
~ Elizabeth
Now, the bar has been raised [or lowered ~ not sure how that would go] on the horror. I have not looked for the site on the Internet that shows the beheadings [decapitations, the more sterile, technical term], so I can view them for the sake of acceptance. The gruesome nature of that is beyond what I can/want to handle as an indelible imprint on my brain and psyche. Perhaps the perversity of man's interaction with man [and animals, unfortunately, the true innocents are not excluded from it] has registered with me enough to not require such viewing. Likewise, the bombing and shooting of the thousands of innocent civilians in Iraq. I live too close to tears [these last few years] in regard to the world scene. I will never comprehend or accept the atrocities. Have I become jaded to no longer need to see every single thing? However, I still find I want to read the details. Trying to make sense of it all [what's happened, what happens, my reactions to it, and my processing of it] is just not easy.
How about if we get back to rock 'n' roll
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~ Lizzy
Absent the conspiracy theory ~ if each occurrence were to be viewed as pure happenstance
by fanatical weirdos ~ the reality is that Kennedy was continually on film and in the public eye far more than Lennon was. At that point in Lennon's life, he had pretty-much shunned the public arena in favour of Yoko, Sean, and being a stay-at-home Dad.Just as many of us could not get enough footage into our eyes and brains when September 11 felled the Twin Towers, it was by far a greater psychological 'need' for us when Kennedy was shot. Nothing even close to this had happened in our 'modern day' ~ we had never witnessed such a horrific act. The repeated and repeated and repeated, ad infinitum, ad nauseum footage was part and parcel of our denial/acceptance process. Our PRESIDENT ~ our young, youthful, caring, dynamic, full-of-life, vibrant PRESIDENT ~ next to his equally young, youthful, caring, dynamic, full-of-life, vibrant WIFE ~ shot in front of our eyes! The whole of the nation was almost literally glued to our TV sets. People stayed home from work. The nation was grieving beyond belief. With all that repetition, just the minor addition of even a miniscule detail to the footage or to the commentary made watching the whole of it worthwhile for our spongelike brains ready to receive anything that might help anything come into focus. It was like being suddenly thrust into an explosion in a coal mine. The excess coverage seemed to become more of an issue in retrospect.
We are/have been, for the most part, a nation living in Camelot. The Kennedy administration was Camelot personified. Kennedy's assassination was traumatic. John Lennon's murder [feels like assassination] was traumatic. For me, he was far beyond an entertainment figure. He was as political in his way, and in his stance on peace, as any political figure.
It's been said that September 11 resulted in the loss of innocence for America on a worldwide scale. Kennedy's assassination resulted in the loss of innocence for America on a national scale. Pearl Harbor had to be the same for the people in proximity to it. Some other countries around the world have been eye witness to these levels and magnitudes of horrors ~ and worse ~ right along
.Maybe we didn't need all the saturation of coverage at the time, but I can tell you that it sure felt like we needed it. There were huge amounts of disbelief and denial present. Any breakaway from it felt like we were being cut off from crucial and absolutely essential information ~ we were on hyper-alert and needed to have the information that matched our heightened state of awareness. To be cut off from it created a greater sense of vulnerability, the same way as when you fear someone being outside your house, you want the door locked and the porch light ON! If you have any alarm systems, you want them turned on. If they have a monitoring light, you want to see the green light blinking safety. I am really at a loss as to how to explain the explosiion in our consciousness that occurred with that. In retrospect [and even at the time], it felt like endless repetition ~ yet the grief process had begun, and the repetition felt essential, at least for some of us. I was one who didn't want to walk away from the TV set, or have anyone speak while the commentator was speaking, for fear of missing another piece of that horrific puzzle.
The reality is that Kennedy was already on TV when it happened. It wasn't like cameras rushing to the scene. The footage was already there. The replays were more of a natural fact. Replays of football plays, tennis matches, and other sports occur with regularity. The replays of Kennedy could be considered perverse entertainment; yet, at the time, it was part of bringing disbelief and denial into belief and acceptance. It was traumatic for our nation. Our President was gone. Period. Gone. I even teared up just now, as I wrote those three statements. I've sealed over that grief, but it's still accessible.
My personal reaction to Lennon's death was the same. Part of my own way of processing grief is information. Some just don't want to know, don't want to see, just want to hide and pretend something otherwise ~ that it didn't happen; that it did, and they'll just go on that, and go on with their lives ~ I don't know; or just not think about it . I'm just not that way. I want the details. Don't think that I "can't handle the truth" and try to shield me from the details. It's the truth I need at the base before I can start trying to rebuild.
If any of this doesn't seem to make sense, it may be because I'm going inside, on the spot, without any preparation. Trying to find the correct words and phrases to express those still-mangled feelings just isn't easy.
~ Elizabeth
Now, the bar has been raised [or lowered ~ not sure how that would go] on the horror. I have not looked for the site on the Internet that shows the beheadings [decapitations, the more sterile, technical term], so I can view them for the sake of acceptance. The gruesome nature of that is beyond what I can/want to handle as an indelible imprint on my brain and psyche. Perhaps the perversity of man's interaction with man [and animals, unfortunately, the true innocents are not excluded from it] has registered with me enough to not require such viewing. Likewise, the bombing and shooting of the thousands of innocent civilians in Iraq. I live too close to tears [these last few years] in regard to the world scene. I will never comprehend or accept the atrocities. Have I become jaded to no longer need to see every single thing? However, I still find I want to read the details. Trying to make sense of it all [what's happened, what happens, my reactions to it, and my processing of it] is just not easy.
How about if we get back to rock 'n' roll
.~ Lizzy
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Teratogen
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sure, let's get back to rock 'n' roll. but first i want to comment on your reply...
as far as the zapruder film, i was under the assumption that it was just a film that was taped by someone in the audience, watching the motorcade. i have seen the film and that's what it looks like. and i heard it was obtained later on and shown on tv.
i understand what you are saying. a lot of confusion, hatred; a rollercoaster of emotions. you think you know one thing, you get lied to, you don't get told all the truth, and all kinds of bad shit happens that will never stop. do you see it being stopped yet? the whole foreign policy for the last 3 years, and probably for the next 10 years or later, will be "the war on terror."
it is my true and honest belief--and it is a very strong belief--that the sole reason tv networks aired the footage of 9/11 over and over again was for ratings. and 9/11 wasn't the only thing. there is a whole culture of fear that is being exploited by tv news networks. people are drawn into things they fear. they are afraid, but curious. magazines are just as bad. if you buy a magazine because your favorite celebrity is on it, you probably buy it to read the articles and see the pictures. and someone who is curious about death, curious about exploring their fears, will buy these magazines. they have put osama bin laden, saddam hussein, adolf hitler, eric harris and dylan klebold (the columbine killers), charles manson, along with many others on the covers of magazines that people buy because of their fear and curiosity. corporate america is not stupid. this is how they get you to buy these things. they sell you fear. and we mass consume it.
for tv networks to get rich they put things on the news (and these stories are at the top of the news hour) to get you to watch, because they know what will get you to buy their product, watch their program, or to listen to what they have to say. and it works. especially in rating wars the networks will try to get you to watch any way they can. my dad woke me up that morning of 9/11 to go to school. usually he'll just turn my light on in my room and tell me to get up. that day he knelt beside my bed, and quietly told me that a plane had hit one of the towers and that they think it was an accident but don't know for sure. this was before the second one hit. even though i didn't know if it was any kind of act of terrorism, groaned and turned over in bed. why? because i knew that it would be shown on the news until the end of time and i didn't care to see it. after time had gone by i still wouldn't watch the news if it was on. i'd turn it off or leave the room. my parents got upset because they thought i didn't care. they thought i had no feeling, and i wouldn't be surprised if they thought i applauded this act of terrorism.
after seeing so many violent acts on television i have become VERY DESENSITIZED. nothing phases me anymore. i actually searched up one of those beheadings and a news website (go figure) had it up for viewing. of course, you had to PAY to be a member and see it. how fucked up is that? i wound up downloading it from elsewhere. and i sought out to view it myself. it was pretty gruesome, and obviously very realistic, but it gave me a sick sense of fulfillment. i only watched it once then deleted it. i watched the columbine footage on tv with my dad and i shook my head and smirked because i knew what was happening. news crew and reporters on the scene to record the first tear drop. it's sad and sickening. my dad asked why i was laughing. i wasn't laughing but he got upset. he asked, "what if this happened at your school? what if your friends were killed? you wouldn't laugh then, would you?" if only he knew that this WOULD be happening at my school, that MY and my FRIENDS were going to be spiritually "killed," and i smirk out of utter cynicism because of the irony. i was confronted at school by counselors about if i ever held a gun before, if my parents owned a gun, all that shit. i thought it was quite funny. nobody realizes that these things are pretty rare. but the news will play up these events and show it OVER AND OVER AND OVER again until we start believing that this stuff happens ALL the time, and if we don't do something about it, it WILL happen to us.
i refuse to put my faith into tv news media. if it's not terrorism and school shootings, the news will put, as their top story, a robbery at a 7-11. why? because they obtained footage from the security camera, and they're gonna show it to you. they'll show the robber hitting, beating, or firing at the clerk or manager nearly 20 times, more times than they'll show the employee, talk to the employee, or anything else. i've seen this before. death, destruction, war, hold-ups, ANYTHING with violence is the top story. they will inform you about the death of someone you don't know and never would have previously cared about. a lot of people get famous for dying.
you said "Have I become jaded to no longer need to see every single thing?" and my answer is NO, NO, NO.
i may be forgetting to say a few things i thought about while reading your reply, but i can't remember them now.
now, to get back to rock 'n' roll, i want to share these lyrics of another manson song.
"Burning Flag"
They want to sell it out
buy it up
dumb it down
a good god is hard to find
I'll join the crowd that
wants to see me dead
'cause right now I feel I belong
for the first time
multiply your death
divide by sex
add up the violence and
what do you get?
We are all just stars and we're waiting
we are all just scarred and we're hating
we are all just stars on your burning flag
you can point your gun at me
and hope it will go away
if god was alive,
he would hate you anyway
my right wing is flapping
the left one is gray
let's hear it for the kids but
nothing they say
they gyrate and G-rate
on Election Day
we got out ABC's and our F-U-C-K
multiply your death
divide by sex
add up the violence and
what do you get?
We are all just stars and we're waiting
we are all just scarred and we're hating
we are all just stars on your burning flag
you can point your gun at me
and hope it will go away
but if god was alive,
he would hate you anyway
We are all just stars and we're waiting
we are all just scarred and we're hating
we are all just stars on your burning flag
as far as the zapruder film, i was under the assumption that it was just a film that was taped by someone in the audience, watching the motorcade. i have seen the film and that's what it looks like. and i heard it was obtained later on and shown on tv.
i understand what you are saying. a lot of confusion, hatred; a rollercoaster of emotions. you think you know one thing, you get lied to, you don't get told all the truth, and all kinds of bad shit happens that will never stop. do you see it being stopped yet? the whole foreign policy for the last 3 years, and probably for the next 10 years or later, will be "the war on terror."
it is my true and honest belief--and it is a very strong belief--that the sole reason tv networks aired the footage of 9/11 over and over again was for ratings. and 9/11 wasn't the only thing. there is a whole culture of fear that is being exploited by tv news networks. people are drawn into things they fear. they are afraid, but curious. magazines are just as bad. if you buy a magazine because your favorite celebrity is on it, you probably buy it to read the articles and see the pictures. and someone who is curious about death, curious about exploring their fears, will buy these magazines. they have put osama bin laden, saddam hussein, adolf hitler, eric harris and dylan klebold (the columbine killers), charles manson, along with many others on the covers of magazines that people buy because of their fear and curiosity. corporate america is not stupid. this is how they get you to buy these things. they sell you fear. and we mass consume it.
for tv networks to get rich they put things on the news (and these stories are at the top of the news hour) to get you to watch, because they know what will get you to buy their product, watch their program, or to listen to what they have to say. and it works. especially in rating wars the networks will try to get you to watch any way they can. my dad woke me up that morning of 9/11 to go to school. usually he'll just turn my light on in my room and tell me to get up. that day he knelt beside my bed, and quietly told me that a plane had hit one of the towers and that they think it was an accident but don't know for sure. this was before the second one hit. even though i didn't know if it was any kind of act of terrorism, groaned and turned over in bed. why? because i knew that it would be shown on the news until the end of time and i didn't care to see it. after time had gone by i still wouldn't watch the news if it was on. i'd turn it off or leave the room. my parents got upset because they thought i didn't care. they thought i had no feeling, and i wouldn't be surprised if they thought i applauded this act of terrorism.
after seeing so many violent acts on television i have become VERY DESENSITIZED. nothing phases me anymore. i actually searched up one of those beheadings and a news website (go figure) had it up for viewing. of course, you had to PAY to be a member and see it. how fucked up is that? i wound up downloading it from elsewhere. and i sought out to view it myself. it was pretty gruesome, and obviously very realistic, but it gave me a sick sense of fulfillment. i only watched it once then deleted it. i watched the columbine footage on tv with my dad and i shook my head and smirked because i knew what was happening. news crew and reporters on the scene to record the first tear drop. it's sad and sickening. my dad asked why i was laughing. i wasn't laughing but he got upset. he asked, "what if this happened at your school? what if your friends were killed? you wouldn't laugh then, would you?" if only he knew that this WOULD be happening at my school, that MY and my FRIENDS were going to be spiritually "killed," and i smirk out of utter cynicism because of the irony. i was confronted at school by counselors about if i ever held a gun before, if my parents owned a gun, all that shit. i thought it was quite funny. nobody realizes that these things are pretty rare. but the news will play up these events and show it OVER AND OVER AND OVER again until we start believing that this stuff happens ALL the time, and if we don't do something about it, it WILL happen to us.
i refuse to put my faith into tv news media. if it's not terrorism and school shootings, the news will put, as their top story, a robbery at a 7-11. why? because they obtained footage from the security camera, and they're gonna show it to you. they'll show the robber hitting, beating, or firing at the clerk or manager nearly 20 times, more times than they'll show the employee, talk to the employee, or anything else. i've seen this before. death, destruction, war, hold-ups, ANYTHING with violence is the top story. they will inform you about the death of someone you don't know and never would have previously cared about. a lot of people get famous for dying.
you said "Have I become jaded to no longer need to see every single thing?" and my answer is NO, NO, NO.
i may be forgetting to say a few things i thought about while reading your reply, but i can't remember them now.
now, to get back to rock 'n' roll, i want to share these lyrics of another manson song.
"Burning Flag"
They want to sell it out
buy it up
dumb it down
a good god is hard to find
I'll join the crowd that
wants to see me dead
'cause right now I feel I belong
for the first time
multiply your death
divide by sex
add up the violence and
what do you get?
We are all just stars and we're waiting
we are all just scarred and we're hating
we are all just stars on your burning flag
you can point your gun at me
and hope it will go away
if god was alive,
he would hate you anyway
my right wing is flapping
the left one is gray
let's hear it for the kids but
nothing they say
they gyrate and G-rate
on Election Day
we got out ABC's and our F-U-C-K
multiply your death
divide by sex
add up the violence and
what do you get?
We are all just stars and we're waiting
we are all just scarred and we're hating
we are all just stars on your burning flag
you can point your gun at me
and hope it will go away
but if god was alive,
he would hate you anyway
We are all just stars and we're waiting
we are all just scarred and we're hating
we are all just stars on your burning flag
Teratogen - I agree with the bulk of what you say. A lot is shown as "car crash" reporting and we are all becoming desensitised. TV crews rush to a scene and put their cameras in the faces of people who are suffering, for no other reason than to give the viewing public their dose of carnage and misery. I feel quite sorry for the younger ones it must seem to them that the world is imploding it is no wonder so many young people struggle so much with their emotions.
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Teratogen
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hahaha. i didn't ever think hot hot heat would be mentioned on this thread.
but anyway, paula, you are very correct. marilyn manson once said "the times have not become more violent. they have become more televised." and the young kids have so much more information at their feet to deal with and it is many things; frightening, confusing, hopeless, and discouraging, among other things.
read this article, you might enjoy it. http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/_/id/5923915
but anyway, paula, you are very correct. marilyn manson once said "the times have not become more violent. they have become more televised." and the young kids have so much more information at their feet to deal with and it is many things; frightening, confusing, hopeless, and discouraging, among other things.
read this article, you might enjoy it. http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/_/id/5923915
Hi Teratogen ~
Sorry I tend not to call you by your given name, but I just love the sound and sight of Teratogen, so keep reverting to it.
Anyway, I also agree with the vast majority of what you said in your response to me. I also understand why you like Marilyn Manson. Very direct, confrontively-phrased thoughts and lyrics. Now, I've also heard the same thing said [as Marilyn said] about these times not being more violent, but rather more televised, etc. However, without reverting to more 'ancient' history, when things were truly barbaric [even the original Olympics in Greece were ]; and sticking to 'modern' history, specifically in the U.S., I do feel that 'these' times we are living in are more violent. I feel that all of it [the saturated televising of it, as you've said] contributes to the incredibly high suicide rate of teens. I say, without hesitation, however, that 'these times' are objectively, more violent and we see more of it, via the media, for all the reasons you've said.
~ Lizzy
Sorry I tend not to call you by your given name, but I just love the sound and sight of Teratogen, so keep reverting to it.
Anyway, I also agree with the vast majority of what you said in your response to me. I also understand why you like Marilyn Manson. Very direct, confrontively-phrased thoughts and lyrics. Now, I've also heard the same thing said [as Marilyn said] about these times not being more violent, but rather more televised, etc. However, without reverting to more 'ancient' history, when things were truly barbaric [even the original Olympics in Greece were
]; and sticking to 'modern' history, specifically in the U.S., I do feel that 'these' times we are living in are more violent. I feel that all of it [the saturated televising of it, as you've said] contributes to the incredibly high suicide rate of teens. I say, without hesitation, however, that 'these times' are objectively, more violent and we see more of it, via the media, for all the reasons you've said.~ Lizzy
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Teratogen
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eh... i know i have not been around as long as some of you to say that less violence exists now than before, because i wouldn't know. but, i still tend to have this faith that mankind isn't really that violent now. we may be at war, but it's no civil war. people may still be persecuted now, but it's no holocaust... although apparently i can't say that for sudan. i dunno... i bet if the past had more means of showing the world the violent atrocities that were occurring wherever then it would seem much more violent. if only they had reality tv spanish inquisition. or footage of indians being scalped and slaughtered. but they don't. they can only get what they can now. and i still think that's why the times seem more violent. i don't remember the statistic exactly, but i heard that crime in the u.s. has gone down significantly, but the amount that is being televised on the news has gone up like 600% or something outrageous like that.
Britain has become more violent but it could be the chicken and egg sydrome. The more it is shown on the telly the more normal it is perceived to be it is Catch 22.
The younger ones have a lot of pressures on them, aside from the hormonal aspect and the rickety situation of being a teenager. The blanket coverage of all things nasty is thrown at them to deal with as well.
A lot of teens-twenties don't want to start familes or make too many plans for the future in case there isn't one.
The world has always been a violent place the difference is we have have medias which span the world and we also have the internet instant information. Nature abors a vacum and so do the newspapers so if there is nothing much going on in the world they fill their papers with gory details which they know will sell papers. Good news doesn't sell papers.
I don't know if the world in general has got more violent but I do know that the part of the world I live in has got more violent since I was a teen.
I have never heard Marilyn Manson's songs but I did see him interviewed on telly a couple of months ago. His songs might be reactionary but in the interview he had some very old fashioned views on life in general. He came across as being a bit of a gentleman.
The younger ones have a lot of pressures on them, aside from the hormonal aspect and the rickety situation of being a teenager. The blanket coverage of all things nasty is thrown at them to deal with as well.
A lot of teens-twenties don't want to start familes or make too many plans for the future in case there isn't one.
The world has always been a violent place the difference is we have have medias which span the world and we also have the internet instant information. Nature abors a vacum and so do the newspapers so if there is nothing much going on in the world they fill their papers with gory details which they know will sell papers. Good news doesn't sell papers.
I don't know if the world in general has got more violent but I do know that the part of the world I live in has got more violent since I was a teen.
I have never heard Marilyn Manson's songs but I did see him interviewed on telly a couple of months ago. His songs might be reactionary but in the interview he had some very old fashioned views on life in general. He came across as being a bit of a gentleman.
