~ outta control [meant that for you and your language, tom.d, but then all the other meanings came rushing in...... ]Muffins or War
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"outta" instead of "out of" is just one example of the lazy disordered approach of youngsters today. I firmly believe, and the Bible backs me up, that language should be properly used or else we risk anarchy and the Loss of Christ from our lives. What may seem trivilous to you is neither funny nor small to a starving child, say, or a War victim.
remember that you reap what you throw in this World. The choice is yours but We Are All His Children.
remember that you reap what you throw in this World. The choice is yours but We Are All His Children.
test, Paula.Wow!
I just stepped into the room and followed the thread...it looks like a Schwartzennegger movie...all the bodies...
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Re: Wow!
Robert wrote:I just stepped into the room and followed the thread...it looks like a Schwartzennegger movie...all the bodies...
did you vote, did you. anarchists are 2 a penny. commit yourself. to opinions, to Christ, to muffins over war.
Actually, I did vote, for muffins. I am not a pacifist, but I feel that to justify war requires that a set of conditions be met. All alternatives to resolve the situation peacefully must be exhausted first, the result of not going to war must be worse than the effects the war will produce, and the war must be directed at the imminent and substantial threat, not at innocents.
I don't believe that any of those conditions were met in the Bush/Blair Administrations' war on Iraq.
My comments were directed at the harshness of some of the comments in this thread and intended to be a gentle call to civility to any who might answer.
I don't believe that any of those conditions were met in the Bush/Blair Administrations' war on Iraq.
My comments were directed at the harshness of some of the comments in this thread and intended to be a gentle call to civility to any who might answer.
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As we engage in discourse with due regard to muffins, I can now tell you that another tasty delight from the USA, namely Coca Cola, has been making a big impression on our local radio waves. A reporter from the BBC took himself off on a trip to Kerala in India to investigate the reports which are coming out of the country about how Coca Cola is treating the local environment. He visited farmers, villagers, Coca Cola Plant Senior Management, and returned to the UK with samples he had personally collected from wells, fields and rivers adjacent to the Kerala Coca Cola Factory.
Coca Cola has sunk very deep wells to extract water for their processing. The local people are struggling to find water. The water that they do find now contains a number of mineral impurities which make it unsuitable to drink. The black industrial waste which Coca Cola produces is taken out of the factory and given to the local farmers as 'fertilizer'. The black waste contains high levels of cadmium which causes kidney and liver damage, and it also contains high levels of lead, which is a toxic substance which causes damage to childrens' nervous systems.
The reporter described the Coca Cola gift of 'fertilizer' to local farmers as "a cynical exploitation to dispose of the company's waste".
He put all of these points to Sunil Gupta, a very senior manager of the plant who promised to send the Coca Cola Report on the effects of their industrial plant on the local areas.
The report has not arrived yet. Mr Gupta refused to drink the water which had just been collected in a bottle from a well outside his factory's compound.
Why oh why is Byron raising yet another issue about American involvement in the rest of the world? I hear you ask!
Please read this posting again and it will be obvious to those who have the eyes to read and the intellect to consider its contents.
I have been to India more than once. I have seen the poverty which is prevelant. I listened to BBC Radio4, describe the exploitation of the natural resources of Kerala by a large multi national, and I felt sick at the thought of what those poor people are having to suffer, just so that big bucks and profit margins are achieved.
It was continually put to Coca Cola's representative that it would be impossible for their company to behave in such a way in the United States. There would be hundreds of lawyers claiming millions of dollars in civil court actions against Coca Cola in America, but because its on the other side of the world and out of the American publics' gaze, the managers are doing whatever they want, and local poor peasants are suffering. The phrase I have to use is 'Double Standards'.
By all means let us enjoy our muffins, especially covered in thick sweet syrup, but just for a moment, today, give a thought to those peasants in Kerala. We've all been annoyed by the situation in Nigeria where a woman faces public stoning for adultery, because we feel that she faces unjust and unethical treatment by powerful people. I don't really think we can say there is much difference here, where people and their developing children, could be poisoned, because powerful people want their way in Kerala, or board rooms.
The programme will be repeated later in the week for those who would take issue with my posting.
"Democracy Isn't Coming To India". (My words)
Byron sends his regards.
Coca Cola has sunk very deep wells to extract water for their processing. The local people are struggling to find water. The water that they do find now contains a number of mineral impurities which make it unsuitable to drink. The black industrial waste which Coca Cola produces is taken out of the factory and given to the local farmers as 'fertilizer'. The black waste contains high levels of cadmium which causes kidney and liver damage, and it also contains high levels of lead, which is a toxic substance which causes damage to childrens' nervous systems.
The reporter described the Coca Cola gift of 'fertilizer' to local farmers as "a cynical exploitation to dispose of the company's waste".
He put all of these points to Sunil Gupta, a very senior manager of the plant who promised to send the Coca Cola Report on the effects of their industrial plant on the local areas.
The report has not arrived yet. Mr Gupta refused to drink the water which had just been collected in a bottle from a well outside his factory's compound.
Why oh why is Byron raising yet another issue about American involvement in the rest of the world? I hear you ask!
Please read this posting again and it will be obvious to those who have the eyes to read and the intellect to consider its contents.
I have been to India more than once. I have seen the poverty which is prevelant. I listened to BBC Radio4, describe the exploitation of the natural resources of Kerala by a large multi national, and I felt sick at the thought of what those poor people are having to suffer, just so that big bucks and profit margins are achieved.
It was continually put to Coca Cola's representative that it would be impossible for their company to behave in such a way in the United States. There would be hundreds of lawyers claiming millions of dollars in civil court actions against Coca Cola in America, but because its on the other side of the world and out of the American publics' gaze, the managers are doing whatever they want, and local poor peasants are suffering. The phrase I have to use is 'Double Standards'.
By all means let us enjoy our muffins, especially covered in thick sweet syrup, but just for a moment, today, give a thought to those peasants in Kerala. We've all been annoyed by the situation in Nigeria where a woman faces public stoning for adultery, because we feel that she faces unjust and unethical treatment by powerful people. I don't really think we can say there is much difference here, where people and their developing children, could be poisoned, because powerful people want their way in Kerala, or board rooms.
The programme will be repeated later in the week for those who would take issue with my posting.
"Democracy Isn't Coming To India". (My words)
Byron sends his regards.
"Bipolar is a roller-coaster ride without a seat belt. One day you're flying with the fireworks; for the next month you're being scraped off the trolley" I said that.
And to everyone else,
I am sickened by the disparagement of Jesus Christ on this thread. The puns are not funny. They are not witty. They are revolting. Even those who do not believe in the divinity of Christ usually acknowledge that Jesus was a great teacher. Instead His death is mocked by certain members here. It's as though you hate Him. And perhaps you do.
eeey
P.S. Sooner or later, you have to join the side you're on.
I am sickened by the disparagement of Jesus Christ on this thread. The puns are not funny. They are not witty. They are revolting. Even those who do not believe in the divinity of Christ usually acknowledge that Jesus was a great teacher. Instead His death is mocked by certain members here. It's as though you hate Him. And perhaps you do.
eeey
P.S. Sooner or later, you have to join the side you're on.
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Byron
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Hello once again eeey. May I point you in the direction of a recent posting of mine, in which I have already acknowledged that the British did 'unpleasant' things all around the World. (You will have noted my typical British use of understatement in the preceding sentence. If not, please go back and read it again) I informed our readers that the reason why the Sun never set on the British Empire, was because G-d didn't trust the British in the dark.
I am well aware of the treatment which my forefathers handed out to many generations of many races in the years when Britain was a world power. I do not really need you to allude to what I have already acknowleged.
Once again, eeey, you are pushing at an open door.
I did NOT blame poverty etc., on the Coca Cola plant. Read my words won't you!!!!!
My reference to a BBC Radio 4 Programme was not an attack on you, or your family, or your friends, or your state, or your country, or your politics, or your morals, or your religion, or your history.
I was appalled to hear that the poorest of the poor are being 'used and abused' by people who have the power to exploit the weak, and choose to deliberately do so.
It has nothing to do with history, politics, ideology or religion. But it does have everything to do with the few who have the power, who abuse that power, for greed.
At least do me the courtesy of logging on to BBC On Line, going to Radio 4, and then Face The Facts. Please be decent enough to listen to the programme, which anyone on this forum can do, before responding with a pertinent and critical appraisal of it.
Put yourself in the position of those peasant farmers. They can no longer grow the crops to feed themselves because the water is being taken from them. There are local people working at the factory. When the water has all gone, so will their jobs, and the land will have been spoiled, preventing any self sufficiency.
If you are not prepared to even spend 30 minutes listening to the programme, I for one will not waste another a second of my time replying to you.
I am well aware of the treatment which my forefathers handed out to many generations of many races in the years when Britain was a world power. I do not really need you to allude to what I have already acknowleged.
Once again, eeey, you are pushing at an open door.
I did NOT blame poverty etc., on the Coca Cola plant. Read my words won't you!!!!!
My reference to a BBC Radio 4 Programme was not an attack on you, or your family, or your friends, or your state, or your country, or your politics, or your morals, or your religion, or your history.
I was appalled to hear that the poorest of the poor are being 'used and abused' by people who have the power to exploit the weak, and choose to deliberately do so.
It has nothing to do with history, politics, ideology or religion. But it does have everything to do with the few who have the power, who abuse that power, for greed.
At least do me the courtesy of logging on to BBC On Line, going to Radio 4, and then Face The Facts. Please be decent enough to listen to the programme, which anyone on this forum can do, before responding with a pertinent and critical appraisal of it.
Put yourself in the position of those peasant farmers. They can no longer grow the crops to feed themselves because the water is being taken from them. There are local people working at the factory. When the water has all gone, so will their jobs, and the land will have been spoiled, preventing any self sufficiency.
If you are not prepared to even spend 30 minutes listening to the programme, I for one will not waste another a second of my time replying to you.
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"Bipolar is a roller-coaster ride without a seat belt. One day you're flying with the fireworks; for the next month you're being scraped off the trolley" I said that.
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eeey, it was NOT a sermon. It was a simple precis of a well reported and objective piece of investigative journalism. You will know what investigative journalism is won't you? eg: Watergate.
'Finis.'
'Finis.'
"Bipolar is a roller-coaster ride without a seat belt. One day you're flying with the fireworks; for the next month you're being scraped off the trolley" I said that.
Hi Byron ~
I mentioned this very same Coca-Cola situation a while back.....I believe on one of the war-oriented threads. I was sickened by the same objective, investigative journalism that brought the heart-rending report to NPR. It has very directly to do with American corporate greed and exploitation. It was very clear that once the water runs out, they would move on to other remote areas to repeat the process. There are limits to the depths for drilling, and they have massively exceeded them without a shred of conscience. The refusal to drink the water is VERY reminiscent of the true story of Erin Brockovich. The goal of Coca Cola is for it to be the number-one beverage worldwide, and the beverage itself can kill you. Lead also affects adults in deadly fashion. Unfortunately, the standards aren't "double." It's only the accountability and cash-payout-on-lawsuit factors that are making the difference . This program that you have cited is well worth listening to, for this is literally destroying an entire community immediately and for the future. I sincerely hope some will heed your suggestion.
~ Elizabeth
I mentioned this very same Coca-Cola situation a while back.....I believe on one of the war-oriented threads. I was sickened by the same objective, investigative journalism that brought the heart-rending report to NPR. It has very directly to do with American corporate greed and exploitation. It was very clear that once the water runs out, they would move on to other remote areas to repeat the process. There are limits to the depths for drilling, and they have massively exceeded them without a shred of conscience. The refusal to drink the water is VERY reminiscent of the true story of Erin Brockovich. The goal of Coca Cola is for it to be the number-one beverage worldwide, and the beverage itself can kill you. Lead also affects adults in deadly fashion. Unfortunately, the standards aren't "double." It's only the accountability and cash-payout-on-lawsuit factors that are making the difference
. This program that you have cited is well worth listening to, for this is literally destroying an entire community immediately and for the future. I sincerely hope some will heed your suggestion.~ Elizabeth
I know this is not a popular thing to say...but eey is right. India was messed up long before the british or the americans got there...and it is because of their religious caste system...many on this board urge others to look at things with an unbiased eye...it seems as if everthing western is abhored and everything eastern is never really examined....because after all LC is so fond of India right now...I think sometimes some posters filter everything through this LC lens...