Sadness and Joy in the News

[bee]

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) Bee, sometimes the Beast is not so well disguised and goes around in full classic outfit including the sulphuric perfume of some of your posts.

Tchoco- I would leave the angel songs to the angels-as for the beast-he creeps in everywhere-even in yours he is breathing heavily sometimes.
Got to run, I am afraid to be flooded from above

[lizzytysh]

Tom ~

I'm not sure on which of these two threads you posted your disapproval/disagreement with my way of handling the dispute, that ensued as a 'result' of my numerous, heavy, and 'emotional' postings regarding Hurricane Katrina and its numerous victims. Hurricane Katrina and its numerous victims are a heavy matter.

In your focusing on my commentary, it seems natural to conclude that [by omission] you condone, or don't find problematical, the commentary of others. As you know, that's your choice ~ however, while you are feeling disappointed in me, I am feeling equally disappointed in you.

Do not mistake my saying that as meaning that I would expect that, if you're going to bother commenting after such a long absence here, that you should pledge support 'of me', as some are doing of others, in this matter.

I will continue on this, later, as well. I have a meeting.

~ Lizzy

[lizzytysh]

To Joe, Greg, and anyone else who may know Squidgy ~

As a result of the notice I posted on the Gulf Coast News site [asking if anyone knows of Squidgy's whereabouts], with my contact number, I received a phone message from Rick [I'll give you his last name] in Oakland, California. He said that he used to work with "Jo" and is wondering about her, concerning Katrina, and wondering if I [we] have any information; or can pass along his good wishes, and, if so, to tell her that Rick from the San Francisco Chronicle called. He gave me his phone number, which I'll give you, as well, if you'll contact me. He said he hopes all is well.

~ Lizzy

[lizzytysh]

Dear Geoffrey ~

Thank you very much for your straightforward and kind compliments. I appreciate it.

~ Lizzy

[bee]

Crap, crap and more crap!
Snow- jump right into the cradle, mama is back home from the meeting!

[~greg]

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It's all the same to me. Because I think of everything
as source-material. For something or other. A work of art.
A report to the police. An accounting before my Maker.
Che sera. Whatever. I'm a dreamer. I know it.
Don't you think I know it?

But it's a good attitude anyway.
"To be in the world, but not of it."

http://relay.twoshakesofalambstail.com/ ... oversy.jpg



Just remember this.

In some ways I follow my father's trade.
And, as my father once said:

I would not have had that happen to you.
Discourtesy is unspeakably ugly to me.

So, I'll ask you all nicely, just one time:
How are our livers doing today?

~greg



ps:

FLOODING A FORUM

Everyone knows that the member's list,
sorted by total posts descending,
looks like this:

Code: Select all

 
rank1  name           date         total
-------------------------------------------
1     lizzytysh       27 Jun 2002    8232
2     linda_lakeside  13 Sep 2004    2413
3     Paula           08 Aug 2002    1594
4     Tom Sakic       03 Jul 2002    1555
5     George.Wright   08 Jul 2002    1517
6     Byron           26 Nov 2002    1298
7     Tchocolatl      02 Apr 2003    1294
8     jarkko          26 Jun 2002    1107
...
1627 

But it's misleading, because of the different joined-dates.

So, just for fun, I ran a perl script
to sort by average posts per day.

It looks like this:

Code: Select all

 
rank2 rank1     name              date       total  avg/day
-----------------------------------------------------------
1    1     lizzytysh          27 Jun 2002    8232   7.035
2    2     linda_lakeside     13 Sep 2004    2413   6.684
3    41    Fljotsdale         06 Aug 2005    217    6.382
3    28    Tri-me             22 Apr 2005    356    2.542
4    12    Critic2            05 Sep 2004    796    2.157
5    7     Tchocolatl         02 Apr 2003    1294   1.452
6    3     Paula              08 Aug 2002    1594   1.413
7    4     Tom Sakic          03 Jul 2002    1555   1.335
8    5     George.Wright      08 Jul 2002    1517   1.308
9    6     Byron              26 Nov 2002    1298   1.275
10   94    Snow               14 Jul 2005    69     1.210
11   9     tom.d.stiller      07 Mar 2003    1107   1.207
12   19    bee                08 Apr 2004    594    1.144
13   22    Teratogen          21 Jun 2004    507    1.139
14   14    Makera             22 Sep 2003    736    1.025
15   473   Young dr. Fraud    05 Sep 2005    4      1.000
16   8     jarkko             26 Jun 2002    1107   0.945
17   135   Aslak              26 Jul 2005    40     0.888
18   11    LaurieAK           19 Nov 2002    840    0.819
19   10    Kush               08 Jul 2002    915    0.789
20   176   Ali                06 Aug 2005    26     0.764
21   83    Boss               16 May 2005    81     0.698
22   15    margaret           06 Nov 2002    702    0.676
23   166   rayc               29 Jul 2005    28     0.666
24   303   Vince              25 Aug 2005    10     0.666
25   733   Matti              06 Sep 2005    2      0.666
26   13    Pete               11 Jul 2002    766    0.662
27   79    Steven             02 May 2005    86     0.661
28   16    linmag             28 Jun 2002    700    0.598
29   390   Doctor Bob         29 Aug 2005    6      0.545
30   275   woody              18 Aug 2005    12     0.545
31   17    Andrew McGeever    07 Jul 2002    632    0.544
32   18    Sandra             27 Jun 2002    616    0.526
33   20    jurica             02 Oct 2002    552    0.514
34   37    Epurcelly          22 Mar 2004    273    0.509
35   52    Dylan              19 Oct 2004    164    0.504
36   359   katiewest          26 Aug 2005    7      0.500
37   21    Linda              28 Jun 2002    537    0.459
38   25    witty_owl          10 Apr 2003    405    0.458
39   63    Anne-Marie         03 Jan 2005    114    0.457
40   23    lightning          19 Jul 2002    505    0.439
41   72    Perth              02 Feb 2005    96     0.438
42   38    Rob                19 Jan 2004    254    0.424
43   175   Shane              09 Jul 2005    26     0.419
44   220   hleonard           30 Jul 2005    17     0.414
45   34    Helven             17 Sep 2003    292    0.403
46   89    Ghoti              15 Feb 2005    76     0.368
47   26    Vesuvius           29 Nov 2002    373    0.367
48   29    John the Shorts    15 Mar 2003    327    0.359
49   24    peter danielsen    11 Jul 2002    413    0.357
50   48    Insanitor          23 Apr 2004    176    0.349
51   202   Tom Elson          10 Jul 2005    21     0.344
52   100   SWITZ              01 Mar 2005    64     0.333
53   58    Martine            12 Aug 2004    131    0.333
54   27    partisan           27 Jun 2002    372    0.317
55   319   Love's Bastard     11 Aug 2005    9      0.310
56   33    Midnight           21 Jan 2003    297    0.308
57   120   Jim Williams       07 Apr 2005    47     0.303
58   201   Jinx               01 Jul 2005    21     0.300
59   569   jazz4111           30 Aug 2005    3      0.300
60   31    elazar             19 Nov 2002    306    0.298
61   35    Young dr. Freud    05 Dec 2002    288    0.285
62   70    rick               19 Sep 2004    100    0.281
63   51    Zabka              16 Jan 2004    165    0.274
64   154   bruna              11 May 2005    33     0.272
65   30    Andrew (Darby)     06 Jul 2002    308    0.265
66   214   Pedant             03 Jul 2005    18     0.264
67   69    ForYourSmile       05 Aug 2004    104    0.260
68   90    paints             28 Nov 2004    74     0.259
69   32    Joe Way            28 Jun 2002    298    0.254
70   36    Jo                 28 Aug 2002    282    0.254
71   75    Sophistikitten     20 Sep 2004    90     0.254
72   472   ahmed              24 Aug 2005    4      0.250
73   59    smccallon          31 Mar 2004    129    0.244
74   45    Ben Kelly          23 Aug 2003    183    0.244
75   53    YankovicGretzky    23 Oct 2003    154    0.224
76   151   Diane              08 Apr 2005    34     0.220
77   39    Dem                29 Jun 2002    252    0.215
78   74    annaedith          01 Jul 2004    93     0.213
79   50    greta              01 Jul 2003    169    0.210
80   43    Coco               12 Feb 2003    197    0.209
81   123   Scooby Doo         31 Jan 2005    46     0.208
82   42    Cia                07 Dec 2002    201    0.199
83   61    catherine          26 Dec 2003    121    0.194
84   40    Henning            27 Jun 2002    221    0.188
85   88    ~greg              28 Jul 2004    77     0.188
...

[bee]

Hi Greg-thank you, impressive work!
As it was my post above your request for curtesy, I would respond.
Is hard to have any manners left, when one is smothered and suffocated by streams of meaningless words about compassion, which has no compassion to ones who have to endure it.
Sorry Greg, sometimes life could be tough!

[tom.d.stiller]

~ however, while you are feeling disappointed in me, I am feeling equally disappointed in you.
~ Lizzy

Lizzy -

what's in a disappointment? What is a disappointment? "A failure to satisfy the hope, desire, or expectation of someone", or: the action doesn't meet the expectations.

So you are disappointed by the way I acted. I'd regret that. But it proves that your expectations had been high-strung. I'm honoured by that.

You are perfectly right: There have been others than you who didn't handle the situation that arose in this thread in a way I could approve of. Just to give an example I could mention bee's remark about you wasting the tax payers' money when reading and posting to this forum while at work. (Aside: Indeed, bee, this was below the belt, and you know that.)

But I have said it elsewhere, and more than once: the bee must sting, and she always does when someone criticises her bee-lovèd president. Most of those who don't feel as obliged to GWB as bee have been victims of her "stings". You have, Linda has, you know that I have. So I couldn't be disappointed by her getting into nasty remarks. (Aside again: But, indeed, bee, this never led to lasting enmity, or did it?)

You will have recognized, Elizabeth, that I didn't join the club of those who accuse you of "flooding the forum". This is simply because I don't think you do. Everyone will post as much, and in such style, as befits her or his personality. (Besides, I always agreed with what one of the great Marxes - Julius Henry, called 'Groucho' - once said: "I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members.")

Some people may feel that you post too much, or in a too emotional style, or essentially the same thing too often. I don't share any of these positions, but I make allowance for their stance.

Rudyard Kipling, who was a racist, though not of the ranting and raving and raging kind - he cared for those non-British souls, and he loved them, I think, but "a philo-Semite is an anti-Semite who happens to love the Jews" -, this Kipling wrote in a poem called "If":

If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or, being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or, being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise;

From you, as one of the most experienced posters on this forum, I should have expected to "keep your head". Indeed, I was disappointed that you didn't. That's why I criticised you rather than someone else.

I could come back to details, but I believe that you yourself will be able to see them without me pointing at "the mote".

One final remark, as I'm typing this into my laptop computer while on a train that's already approaching it's (and my) destination:

Of course you didn't expect me to take to your side in this rather runaway discussion. You know that I never took anybody's side, but rather stood my own ground, and more often than not I was pleased to find out that others were on the same side of the matter, though for their own reasons I respected. You and I found ourselves on the same side of many issues, and I believe that this will happen over and over again. I just didn't approve of some remarks you made.

Cheers
tom

PS: My absence was due to having been "burnt out from exhaustion", then I restored my power on a long vacation. Right now I'm busy preparing something - but this will be published in due time. After that - it is already visible on the horizon - I'll come back to flood the forum, as I sadly had to find out that I'm down to rank 12 in ~greg's modified top ten listing...

[lizzytysh]

Joe, Greg, and anyone else ~

Regarding Squidgy, I phoned Rick last night, left a message on his voice mail regarding our lack of any information, and asked that we stay in touch with each other to share any information either of us may get.

I just saw an (888) 544-5475 hotline number on TV, set up for Missing People from Hurricane Katrina. I'm currently on "Hold," which may go on for awhile, but I'll find out how it works; whether they have any info on Squidgy, or whether we are to just keep checking; or leave a contact number. I'll let you know the results.

I've been calling her home number every day, just on the off-chance that service might be restored, and she might be there. Likewise, with the other listed X I haven't made contact with. Stupid, in a way, to keep trying; but, there just aren't many options available from where I sit.

Okay, the number is for the Missing and Exploited Children, but they are taking information on others and putting it in a database, in case matches are made. So, she has not shown up in their system, yet. Still, he was able to locate [within the next 30 seconds] where I had entered her on [including nickname of Squidgy] the Gulf Coast News website.

The man I spoke with was very helpful, and continued, telling me also need to enter her into the http://www.redcross.org system, with as much info as I can give [can one of you give me her approximate DOB? I 'put' her at approximately 40-45, so he put 45 ~ I already have her street address from the white pages site] and to check there, periodically, as well.

His final [excellent] advice was that I go to yahoo.com and enter her name into their PeopleFinder search engine because that scans ALL of the various websites that have existed before or been created since the hurricane, for this purpose, including that of Red Cross.

So, I'm going to the Red Cross and Yahoo sites next.

~ Lizzy

[lizzytysh]

Dear Tom ~

I'll 'take it from the top,' as I'm able. Today is a particularly busy day, due to my having to leave early; as well as a heavier workload, due to an outside appointment and a meeting here, yesterday.

The other day [when the comment regarding my being at work was made] was an especially slow day. My workload varies from day to day. Still, I had time to complete my own work, and help someone else with theirs, as another person was out of work. The following day, I was scarce around these parts, as I had my own, heavier workload, but still helped the person who had been out, catch up with theirs, from the day prior.

I've taken to invisibilizing myself here, as it serves no particular purpose; but does provide 'ammunition' for more, inaccurate accusations. Simply minimizing the site leaves a person showing as being here, when they're actually not. I'm also signing out from time to time, so one of the "Hidden"s won't necessarily even be me. Now, I can minimize in peace. It's a bit of a pain to sign out and back in, too, but oh, well. The reality is that I'm a very committed worker, whom my supervisor can rely on for getting the job done, and doing it well. I don't appreciate comments to the contrary, but they're not as 'damaging' as some of the others.

The 'lowness' of the comment you're referring to was not as concerning to me as several others. At this point, she's expressed herself regarding me in two jobs, when I would never seek her as an employer to begin with. Interviews are two-way propositions, and 'both' sides make decisions on the outcome. I look at that comment from that perspective, and consider it in the same, GWB vein that you've already cited.

I'll return later to say more on the other issues.

~ Lizzy

[lizzytysh]

I originally posted this in the wrong thread, so have brought it here, as well:

A public-service message was given on NPR regarding people making contributions via the Internet. The approximate number of 1,200 'helping organization' sites has ballooned to approximately 2,300 since Katrina. Many of these additional ones are apparently fraudulent, with individuals exploiting the situation for personal gain. Some are 'appearing' to be Red Cross, when they're actually not. A reliable connection for Red Cross is simply http://www.redcross.org.

Sure isn't the first time for that, since gas stations, hotels, and retail stores have also done the same in the past, with some of it having happened with Katrina. However, they are urging that you contribute only to those you already KNOW to be legitimate, and even mailing your contribution, or contacting them by phone to be certain of what their e-mail address actually is.

So 'many' go under the guise of something else, with pleas and verbiage that incline people to contribute, and the money simply goes into someone's pocket, and no further.

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These do not appear to be solutions. Squidgy is not listed [proper name, of course] on the Red Cross site ~ and it requires too much information that I simply don't have, and you're unlikely to, as well, to enter her. It won't accept my entry, based on lack of required info.

I can't find a People Search mode when I go to my Yahoo page ~ when I Googled "Yahoo People Search," I was able to get to a site for that -- BUT, it appears to search for name, address, phone number, DOBs, etc. and comes up with further links that appear to be ones you probably have to pay to access......and the DOB is the only thing that might be helpful right now. Even so, I lack other required info for the Red Cross site, anyway. No mention is made of Hurricane Katrina, which I somehow thought might be.

Perhaps, one of you two [both being way more computer savvy than I am] could attempt going there, and seeing if you could find a way to accomplish what the man on the phone said would be done.

~ Lizzy

[Tchocolatl]

Bee, I never have any pretention of being an angel, first, second, I do not have any pretention to be perfect, or better than anybody. I did my share of mistakes, here but I have the common sense to admit it. Not that it is an expectation that others admit anything or that I want them to be perfect. I'm not that fool. Although I won't take charges for what is not mine. For example, if the beast is breathing heavily in some of my post, well, this is its behaviour, after all.

Tom (d.stiller) I am under the impression of being accused of a crime I did not do. Again. (I still don't know if your gift to have me look bad is intentional or not, but with the time passing...) Worst, I have the impression that you pushed me to crocodiles in order to save your skin. Are you a coward or what? Do you really need to run the spot on an "error" of my part (as your false comments "disguised" my posts) to make you looks good? That would be petit, Tom (d.stiller). Where do you see "the club" you are talking about, claiming you are not a member of, please? (This is not a true question, in case you did not already understood.) There is not club. There is people, just like you, that are standing alone with their own opinion, just like you, and who express it, just like you do. If you can do it without it being a crime, I guess that it stands for everybody else. It appears that through times, many had the same opinion, which is normal because if you care for the reality you would have to recognize the phenomenon of flooding as as real as the phenomenon of trolling - in Internet. If you was not informed about this reality now you are. You could use the word and have fun with it. How great it is, don't you think so? If you read my previous posts to the end, you did remark, certainly, what I think about this on a leisure site and forum. Not an offense as it would be on a serious forum, because we are there to have fun, that's all, whit the different personnality we have, but, this is not the end of the world either if once in a while, somedody let goes a cry of impatience. Although, I feel that an altercation between to persons should remain "private" in my mind, in any case, it is certainly not an excuse for others to jump in the thread in gang against a person out of... I don't know what, exactly, and don't want to know, like wild animals. As I won't be there, please, don't answer me, it would be more sport from your part as I could not be there to answer you, and people who are absent and silent are considered to agreeing with what was said. This may not be the case. Therefore I thank you in advance for your respect.

Change of subject.

I read an article today about the American way of life plus plus plus of arab petrol kings. If it would have be the US, everydoby would have yelled. But there is a strange silence about their abuse of those arab petrol kings.

I have not links for now. Too bad.

[Tchocolatl]

Great job, Greg! I saw that I am in my way to step on the podium. Just too bad I have no time left for this now.

[Tchocolatl]

I hope you'll find your friend Squidgee or will have news about her soon.

[bee]

Bee, I never have any pretention of being an angel, first, second, I do not have any pretention to be perfect, or better than anybody. I did my share of mistakes, here but I have the common sense to admit it. Not that it is an expectation that others admit anything or that I want them to be perfect. I'm not that fool. Although I won't take charges for what is not mine. For example, if the beast is breathing heavily in some of my post, well, this is its behaviour, after all.

Tchoco- I know you don't. My saying about the angel songs was, that we are no angels, nobody is, and you don't pretend to be better or anything for that matter. All is quite kool in that respect. You made me laugh about the behavior of the beast-that indeed is it's nature, I c'n feel it too sometimes.
Have you seen that Japanese movie-Grudge? Scary stuff, my heir stood up and all my spine went numb and cold, was watching it last night, that's how de beast works, scares ones self shitless.
Take care Tchoco!