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Geoffrey wrote: Mon Dec 16, 2024 3:25 am ...the guitar has an interesting fretboard, and the cat gut(?) strings all seem to be of the same gauge - which was probably normal back then. these antique musical instruments seem to have more charm than the modern ones, at least visually...
The strings on that guitar do look rather odd, but it normally would have had six different gauges and been tuned exactly like a modern guitar -- EADGBE -- which was standard tuning even back then. Yes, the strings would have been gut (usually from sheep or cows -- cats were never used, despite the name "catgut"). As for the fretboard, that was a common style dating back to the earliest guitars from the 16th century, and it continued to be used on some guitars well into the 19th century -- I don't know how old the Mohr guitar is, but obviously pre-Christmas 1818. Guitars that had fretboards similar to modern guitars were also being made around that time, as were guitars with mechanical tuning machines (like modern classical guitar tuners), but those were newer innovations that not all builders of that era adopted.

And, yes, those antique guitars often do have a lot of charm (visually and auditorily!).

Thanks for the link to Antony's version of If It Be Your Will -- I have always liked her performance (she now goes by the name Anohni, which I just learned).
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LisaLCFan wrote:
>Thanks for the link to Antony's version of If It Be Your Will -- I have always liked her performance (she now goes by the name Anohni, which I just learned).

yes, it's quite a special version, genuinely emotional. thank you for educating me, especially concerning the guitar. you write so clearly and informatively, always a pleasure to read your messages :)
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"seek not perfection and you may find it," i said that ;)
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Geoffrey wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2024 2:04 am "seek not perfection and you may find it," i said that ;)
Perfection is such a complicated concept, and it seems to have a lot of subjective variance. For instance, I will often happily assert that something (or, on very rare occasions, someone) is absolutely "perfect", which, for me, means that I cannot imagine it/them to be any better. The thing is, in many such cases, I do not have a preconceived notion of perfection that I am seeking, rather, it is only after the fact (or during...) that I consider it to be perfect, based on the fact that I cannot recall having experienced or done anything better, nor I can imagine experiencing or doing anything better, and therefore it strikes me as being perfect!

(It is important to bear in mind that every thing, every moment, every experience, every circumstance, etc., is different, and therefore just because one achieves or experiences perfection at a certain moment in time does not mean that they will not experience it again: there can be an unlimited number of perfections that one may encounter in life, because every experience and every thing and every circumstance, etc., will be new and different and therefore capable of being perfect!).

Of course, what I consider to be perfect might change -- I may encounter or do something even better at some point in the future thus rendering a past perfection somewhat less than perfect (but only in retrospect -- at the time, it was perfect!), or I may change enough that what I consider to be perfect will change with me, and something that I once thought was perfect will fail to impress me in the same way if encountered again. Furthermore, my assessment that something is perfect is always going to be subjective -- it is based on what I know and what I feel and what I think, etc. (at any given time) -- and I would not expect anybody else (let alone everybody else) to share the same view (it is often the case that other people do not, in fact, share my view!).

Of course, just because another person cannot recognise the perfection that I see and experience may not necessarily mean that the thing in question is not perfect -- it may only indicate that I can recognise its perfection, whereas other people can't. Therefore, one may wish to enquire: is the thing that I say is perfect actually perfect, in some objective way (that is, outside of my own subjective interpretation)? I do not believe that such a question can be answered, because the only perfection that we are capable of knowing and understanding is that which we are capable of grasping and experiencing, and we are only capable of grasping and experiencing our own subjective version of perfection. If perfection does somehow exist outside of our own subjective limits (that is, outside of the ability of our own minds to recognise it), then it is practically meaningless, since it is unknowable to us.

Now, if I am correct about the above, then perfection can exist, insofar as each person can conceive of it and attain it -- based on their own ideals and their own definitions and their own thoughts and their own feelings, etc. -- as long as their own personal concept of perfection is something that actually can be achieved or simply be recognised when it is encountered, for themselves, in their own lives.

Mind you, I think that each person's notion of perfection is likely closely connected to other personal characteristics of theirs, particularly concerning things like personal satisfaction and personal expectations. Some people seem incapable of being satisfied by anything: they are always seeking something better (perhaps because they are unable to recognise and appreciate the amazing things that exist all around them and even within them), and therefore they are probably less likely ever to find perfection in their lives. On the other hand, those who are adept at living in the moment, perceiving and cherishing and enjoying what they have and having realistic expectations (which can nonetheless be very high!) may be more likely to be satisfied by things in their lives, and thus they may be more likely to declare, on a regular basis, that something that they have done or seen or experienced, is absolutely perfect!

Therefore, I like to think that perfection exists, because it is what I say it is -- I define it, and thus I can make it happen in my life, or I can recognise it when it comes into my life. I think that it is a wonderful feeling to be able to look at something (a thing or an experience of any sort) and say, "That is/was perfect!". Do I seek perfection? Yes, sometimes I do, but the good news is, I find it, too! It's all a matter of perception and personal inclinations. (I have never been good at accepting what other people tell me to think -- about anything -- and that includes agreeing to someone else's notion of what is or isn't perfect!)

So, instead of not seeking perfection, why not change your notion of what perfection is, so that you can find it! :D
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thank you, lisa.

well, i agree - it is complicated. what i clumsily meant was: i do not necessarily regard perfection as something flawless. rather, imperfections have the potential to trump anything regarded as perfect - a sort of contradiction in terms. attempting to improve on something that already is perfect might be possible, making it equally as perfect in a different way, although such an attempt is more likely to result in mutilation. yes, the definition of perfection is highly subjective, can be interpreted, corrupted and misused, like a lot of other words (take the word 'amateur', for example . . .).

leonard said that if he knew where to find inspiration, he would go there more often. perhaps the situation is similar to that of seeking perfection, it being more likely to descend upon you when you relax and stop aiming for it - a philosophical conundrum.

it's just annoying when people say they cannot draw; of course they can draw. if they are disappointed in the results of their efforts it means they are discounting another person's judgement in favour of their own. perfection and quality are unconnected; it is each individual observer who decides the level of excellence. or, to quote a song lyric "i myself decide what is rotten and what is fresh!"

when somebody says "you've touched her perfect body with your mind", the description of 'perfect' can only be valid from the observer's point of view. it's all relative, which i believe is what you wrote - only far more eloquently than i can manage.
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"you just call out my name, and you know wherever i am, i'll come running - to see you again."
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here is just a little picture i painted recently. i know it's not very good but i'm not too nervous about showing it.
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Geoffrey wrote: Fri Dec 20, 2024 1:34 pm here is just a little picture i painted recently. i know it's not very good...
I think it's very good! (We did just have a conversation about this sort of thing...).

Love the colours!
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LisaLCFan wrote:
>I think it's very good! (We did just have a conversation about this sort of thing...).

replying to your wonderfully written message gave me considerable satisfaction. i thought i had said exactly what i had intended to say. however, when reading through it some hours later i couldn't make head nor tail of what i was rabbiting about.

>Love the colours!

yes, i know you like colours. i do too, but it's just so quick and easy to simply grab a pencil and use a few minutes making a sketch. had i any incentive to be more serious about making pictures then colour would be employed more frequently. alas, the little creativity i do possess tends to be dominated by laziness and a lack of ambition. sometimes i can't see the point of doing anything.
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Geoffrey wrote: Fri Dec 20, 2024 11:20 pm replying to your wonderfully written message gave me considerable satisfaction. i thought i had said exactly what i had intended to say. however, when reading through it some hours later i couldn't make head nor tail of what i was rabbiting about...
I did notice that there were some logical inconsistencies in your reply, but I chose to be polite and refrain from pointing them out. ;-)
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Here's to the past year of all your posts G and Lisa's insightful replies. I've enjoyed both of your interactions over time and look forward to another year of amazing sketches and conversations. Perfection, like art and porn, you'll know it when you see it. Season's Greetings!
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dar wrote: Sat Dec 21, 2024 4:47 pm Here's to the past year of all your posts G and Lisa's insightful replies. I've enjoyed both of your interactions over time and look forward to another year of amazing sketches and conversations. ... Season's Greetings!
Cheers, Dar, and Season's Greetings to you, too!
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thank you dar and lisa for the above recent posts :)
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Geoffrey wrote: Sun Dec 22, 2024 4:31 pm ...watercolour [Bob Dylan]
I like it! Cool colours.

I am looking forward to seeing the new Dylan movie -- should be interesting!
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LisaLCFan wrote:
>I like it! Cool colours.

thanks. colour pictures take more time to make than monochrome, so i'm wondering how much self-discipline can be tolerated ;)

>I am looking forward to seeing the new Dylan movie -- should be interesting!

me too. loads of clips already on youtube. looks like timothée chalamet has done a decent job, although it would be nigh on impossible to totally replicate dylan's aura.
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