Alone again. But not for long...Sadness and Joy in the News
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linda_lakeside
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linda_lakeside
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linda_lakeside
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Dear Linda, yes, it was a long time ago, with all the election fuss when you joined the forum.
I made you suffer for a while with that George Sand stuff I was writing for you, to sober thing a bit.
Sometimes we do take ourselves a bit too seriously, I think we all do that at times. However, you were a kool girl and still are, 
I am glad everything turned out just right, I enjoy your company on the forum quite a lot.
About Laurie, she is a very good poet. She does not need my protection, but as a fellow artist, I feel the call for solidarity. Besides, it was a very low attack, nasty.
I'm glad you are here, Linda, I know you have forgiven me for George Sand.
I made you suffer for a while with that George Sand stuff I was writing for you, to sober thing a bit.
Sometimes we do take ourselves a bit too seriously, I think we all do that at times. However, you were a kool girl and still are, I am glad everything turned out just right, I enjoy your company on the forum quite a lot.About Laurie, she is a very good poet. She does not need my protection, but as a fellow artist, I feel the call for solidarity. Besides, it was a very low attack, nasty.
I'm glad you are here, Linda, I know you have forgiven me for George Sand.
bee
Aww. Thanks Linda. I appreciate your putting yourself 'out there' like you have done. You are a neutral 'character' so it really means alot.
And Bee, thanks for your show of support.
Maybe, just maybe if I am not the only one banging my head against 'this wall' the content will be taken a little more seriously, instead of being labelled as baseless bitching on my part.
And Vince, okay you are not crusty.
regards,
Laurie
so it really means alot. And Bee, thanks for your show of support.
Maybe, just maybe if I am not the only one banging my head against 'this wall' the content will be taken a little more seriously, instead of being labelled as baseless bitching on my part.
And Vince, okay you are not crusty.
regards,
Laurie
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Tchocolatl
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Vince, I also think we all do it in our time (if we have the honesty to admit it). When - as Laurie still colourfully put it - we are really really pissed off with something.Vince wrote:Terrible experience?
It's the internet woman
Just logg off.
As for Laurie and Lizzy, they're sparring partners.
They both love the thrill of the chase,
it's six of one and half dozen of the other.
Besides from what I've seen
Laurie, can look after herself.
Carry on.
This said, please allow me a little introduction to PSY 101 :
1) The brain hardly makes the difference between a real experience and an experience it takes as real. Therefore, Internet intercourses are highly emotional experiences for people. It may be strange but it is like that. Virtual is powerful, this is why cinema is so liked, this is why people don't look at the screen when they can not stand what was happening even if they know "it is not for real". This is why a letter can make someone cry or laugh. In any case, take an emotional distance to deal better with a situation (log off) whatever it is in virtual or real world, is a good answer.
2) It may be "bad" socially speaking to quarrel but in real life, it is essential to do it to really bind with people to create deep real links. As long as it is not a total will of control and it mades space to respect and forgiveness once the problem is solved. Otherwise it is just fake superficial polite links and problems sneak on and on for ever. Just, girls, please don't kill yourself while balancing your accounts. OK? This is not necessary.
Thanks Ln, for the good words.
We can all - I hope - look after ourselves and don't play the games we don't like to play. It takes two to tango, after all.
Tcho wrote:
your words bring back memories
or maybe
it's the whiskey,
I'm in a strange mood tonight
Tcho, forgive me, but
I don't know if you're male
or female....
Y'know Tcho, we're not born
knowing how to do the Tango
Although a few Argentinians may argue that point.
No, we have to learn how
and mistakes are plenty,
but if we are gentle with ourselves
and allow learning to take place with each step,
our movements become more graceful,
more passionate,
more in tune with 'The Dance'
Do you remember your first dance Tcho?
For me it was with Alma Murphy.
I'd scribbled her a note
and had it passed down the classroom aisle to her desk...
Do you want to dance cheek to cheek at the dance?
I saw her smile after reading my courageous words
and I felt that I'd arrived!
Alma, and I danced cheek-to-cheek at that Saturday night dance
where several Sisters of Mercy
chaperoned in a Catholic sort of way
along with the priest,
who prepped his penances for my future confessional one-liners
Ahh Yes, Alma and I danced,
her cheek to mine
the only problem was,
our cheeks were facing the same way
instead of in opposite directions
it was the first time I scented a girl's perfume
the first time my hands felt the intertwining of a girl's fingers
and their exquisite softness
and the first time my body felt the shape of breasts pressed to my chest ...
When she squeezed me tighter,
I melted
I managed to sneak a peck of a kiss on Alma's cheek - that too, a first.
It was then I noticed how scuffed her shoes were
Ah, the first of many clumsy moves I would make in The Tango
and certainly not the last.
Vincent.
True enough,It takes two to tango, after all.
your words bring back memories
or maybe
it's the whiskey,
I'm in a strange mood tonight
Tcho, forgive me, but
I don't know if you're male
or female....
Y'know Tcho, we're not born
knowing how to do the Tango
Although a few Argentinians may argue that point.
No, we have to learn how
and mistakes are plenty,
but if we are gentle with ourselves
and allow learning to take place with each step,
our movements become more graceful,
more passionate,
more in tune with 'The Dance'
Do you remember your first dance Tcho?
For me it was with Alma Murphy.
I'd scribbled her a note
and had it passed down the classroom aisle to her desk...
Do you want to dance cheek to cheek at the dance?
I saw her smile after reading my courageous words
and I felt that I'd arrived!
Alma, and I danced cheek-to-cheek at that Saturday night dance
where several Sisters of Mercy
chaperoned in a Catholic sort of way
along with the priest,
who prepped his penances for my future confessional one-liners
Ahh Yes, Alma and I danced,
her cheek to mine
the only problem was,
our cheeks were facing the same way
instead of in opposite directions
it was the first time I scented a girl's perfume
the first time my hands felt the intertwining of a girl's fingers
and their exquisite softness
and the first time my body felt the shape of breasts pressed to my chest ...
When she squeezed me tighter,
I melted
I managed to sneak a peck of a kiss on Alma's cheek - that too, a first.
It was then I noticed how scuffed her shoes were
Ah, the first of many clumsy moves I would make in The Tango
and certainly not the last.
Vincent.
Last edited by Vince on Wed Sep 07, 2005 1:32 am, edited 2 times in total.
Lizzytish wrote
Yes, I was wrong. You can't be in love with Demetris. You would not dare. You don't have the guts for that. All you can do is-to lick his boots and be his anti-American bitch.She doesn't happen to have mine. Perhaps, I should accuse you of being in love with her, as you did me regarding Demetris,
bee
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linda_lakeside
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Holy man! What's this?
Ha! I like the dancing, uh, guys with shades.
Yes, bee, of course, I've forgiven you for all that! You know I have. That's the only reason I mentioned it - to demonstrate that we can come full circle. We've been ok for a long time, now.
Laurie, well, you know...what can I say?
Tchoco, see? There you're doing it again. Finger on the pulse... and all that.
Vince, no you're not crusty - a little too soggy to get crusty!
I'm not really into group hugs, so I'll just say see you guys later!
Linda.
Ha! I like the dancing, uh, guys with shades.
Yes, bee, of course, I've forgiven you for all that! You know I have. That's the only reason I mentioned it - to demonstrate that we can come full circle. We've been ok for a long time, now.
Laurie, well, you know...what can I say?
Tchoco, see? There you're doing it again. Finger on the pulse... and all that.
Vince, no you're not crusty - a little too soggy to get crusty!
I'm not really into group hugs, so I'll just say see you guys later!
Linda.
Just to rehash a bit.
Laurie ~
* You forgot what you wrote in your own Profile.
* You forgot [or bypassed] what your original accusation was once the error was revealed.
* You accused me of bringing something private here that I actually learned through something in your Profile and that is readily available to anyone in all of cyberspace. [In fact, I had no idea that "Office Manager" was part of the mix until I read your Profile.] I couldn't possibly have brought the reference here more verbatim than I did.
* You accused me of doing something regarding someone else, with which you were, again, in error.
* I brought Exhibit A [vs. your Exhibit G] ~ your own words; and as exhibits really should be, in its proper context ~ which immediately disproved your original accusation of "private."
I recognized, as well, that in my own best interests of such an accusation, that someone as bent on discrediting me in the way you did, with totally erroneous information, that I would do well not to trust that you would live your Profile intact, as it was when I went to it. The further this has gone on, the wiser I realize myself to be, to have done that.
* I explained your error regarding someone else.
* You have acted and spoken as though you were deeply offended and violated; a misconstruing on your part of something that never happened.
* You have the audacity to wail when I prove you wrong.
* It is a much deeper violation that you have made a vicious, defaming, and untrue statement, in the form of a warning to people I don't even know. I am deeply offended. You had no qualms about doing this.
* If the worst thing that ever happens to you on the Internet is having your public Profile brought from one public section of the Files to another public section of the Files ~ when doing so was relevant to the person who did it ~ in defense of herself on a truly personal, false accusation, then you'll have had a life of pretty clear sailing in cyberspace, sister.
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Impressive how you ladies have so cozily banded together, announcing 'supporting positions' and all. Kisses all 'round for your congealed efforts to discredit me. Reminiscent of high-school cliques.
Of course, solidarity as an 'artist' ~ now there's equally-impressive, 'adult' objectivity.
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A "very low attack" ~ a person's virtual [albeit limited] resume. Amazing. But, then, Bee, you're the one who gets annoyed enough to post about a thread announcing a Cohen-related-contest announcement remaining at the top of a section is annoying. It sounds like you have a pretty low threshold for annoyance, and you're pretty high-maintenance in the realms of smooth sailing.
Yes, I've recognized openly many times that Laurie is a very good poet. It doesn't give her the right to make untrue statements about me, however; nor undermine my right to set the record straight. They don't relate.
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Vince ~ Your tender memories were a breath of fresh air. Right down to Alma's scuffed shoes. It brought back my own of the junior-high-school dances. I still have a tactile and visceral memories of the feel of the indention in the small of my boyfriend's taut, smooth back, as we danced together in a circle around the 'sawdusted,' wooden, gym floor. The music was dee-jayed and the memories are precious. He, much later, became my husband.
The Tango is a magnificent dance. I took a dance class once where it was one of the dances we were learning. Very dramatic and exciting. Thanks for your account in the midst of all this.
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Bee ~
Thanks for letting me off the hook on loving Demetris, though I will say that in my interactions with him, I like him. You carried over the theme of footwear from Vince's post, but not so productively. Is this the non-personal kind of commentary you aspire to and advocate; and is this another example of your ideas of style and class?
FYI ~ I would dare to love anyone I choose. I have the guts to love anyone I choose. I don't lick boots. I am not, as you term it, "anti-American," except when I feel the situation calls for it. Unfortunately, the current President has provided more fodder for fueling those feelings than any President, reasonably, should. I do not, wholesale, as you apparently do, embrace all things 'American,' as though that, de facto, makes them great, fine, or even okay. I am not a bitch. Your personal attacks need to stop.
~ Lizzy
Laurie ~
* You forgot what you wrote in your own Profile.
* You forgot [or bypassed] what your original accusation was once the error was revealed.
* You accused me of bringing something private here that I actually learned through something in your Profile and that is readily available to anyone in all of cyberspace. [In fact, I had no idea that "Office Manager" was part of the mix until I read your Profile.] I couldn't possibly have brought the reference here more verbatim than I did.
* You accused me of doing something regarding someone else, with which you were, again, in error.
* I brought Exhibit A [vs. your Exhibit G] ~ your own words; and as exhibits really should be, in its proper context ~ which immediately disproved your original accusation of "private."
I recognized, as well, that in my own best interests of such an accusation, that someone as bent on discrediting me in the way you did, with totally erroneous information, that I would do well not to trust that you would live your Profile intact, as it was when I went to it. The further this has gone on, the wiser I realize myself to be, to have done that.
* I explained your error regarding someone else.
* You have acted and spoken as though you were deeply offended and violated; a misconstruing on your part of something that never happened.
* You have the audacity to wail when I prove you wrong.
* It is a much deeper violation that you have made a vicious, defaming, and untrue statement, in the form of a warning to people I don't even know. I am deeply offended. You had no qualms about doing this.
* If the worst thing that ever happens to you on the Internet is having your public Profile brought from one public section of the Files to another public section of the Files ~ when doing so was relevant to the person who did it ~ in defense of herself on a truly personal, false accusation, then you'll have had a life of pretty clear sailing in cyberspace, sister.
************************************************************
Impressive how you ladies have so cozily banded together, announcing 'supporting positions' and all. Kisses all 'round for your congealed efforts to discredit me. Reminiscent of high-school cliques.
Of course, solidarity as an 'artist' ~ now there's equally-impressive, 'adult' objectivity.
************************************************************
A "very low attack" ~ a person's virtual [albeit limited] resume. Amazing. But, then, Bee, you're the one who gets annoyed enough to post about a thread announcing a Cohen-related-contest announcement remaining at the top of a section is annoying. It sounds like you have a pretty low threshold for annoyance, and you're pretty high-maintenance in the realms of smooth sailing.
Yes, I've recognized openly many times that Laurie is a very good poet. It doesn't give her the right to make untrue statements about me, however; nor undermine my right to set the record straight. They don't relate.
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Vince ~ Your tender memories were a breath of fresh air. Right down to Alma's scuffed shoes. It brought back my own of the junior-high-school dances. I still have a tactile and visceral memories of the feel of the indention in the small of my boyfriend's taut, smooth back, as we danced together in a circle around the 'sawdusted,' wooden, gym floor. The music was dee-jayed and the memories are precious. He, much later, became my husband.
The Tango is a magnificent dance. I took a dance class once where it was one of the dances we were learning. Very dramatic and exciting. Thanks for your account in the midst of all this.
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Bee ~
Thanks for letting me off the hook on loving Demetris, though I will say that in my interactions with him, I like him. You carried over the theme of footwear from Vince's post, but not so productively. Is this the non-personal kind of commentary you aspire to and advocate; and is this another example of your ideas of style and class?
FYI ~ I would dare to love anyone I choose. I have the guts to love anyone I choose. I don't lick boots. I am not, as you term it, "anti-American," except when I feel the situation calls for it. Unfortunately, the current President has provided more fodder for fueling those feelings than any President, reasonably, should. I do not, wholesale, as you apparently do, embrace all things 'American,' as though that, de facto, makes them great, fine, or even okay. I am not a bitch. Your personal attacks need to stop.
~ Lizzy
Lizz~
You went looking at my profile specifically to gather information to insult me.
Apparently you find this MORE okay than my original assumption that you used private discussions.
Point is, what you actually did is worse than what I originally thought you had done. At least then it would have been a 'spontaneous' event. In reality you were vindictive and went looking for something personal to hit me over the head with. Shameful, really. Not to mention then taking the added step of posting my profile on the board. Maybe you can now scan my blog and come up with other personal shit to throw at me...afterall it is public domain. I repeat, it was a Bitch of a thing to do.
Laurie
p.s. and now that QE has turned this into a singular argument about nothing to do with nothing...there is no longer even a case to rest...as you was...
You went looking at my profile specifically to gather information to insult me.
Apparently you find this MORE okay than my original assumption that you used private discussions.
Point is, what you actually did is worse than what I originally thought you had done. At least then it would have been a 'spontaneous' event. In reality you were vindictive and went looking for something personal to hit me over the head with. Shameful, really. Not to mention then taking the added step of posting my profile on the board. Maybe you can now scan my blog and come up with other personal shit to throw at me...afterall it is public domain. I repeat, it was a Bitch of a thing to do.
Laurie
p.s. and now that QE has turned this into a singular argument about nothing to do with nothing...there is no longer even a case to rest...as you was...