Is that the same Tom that sometimes deletes posts on this forum?lizzytysh wrote: Tom's publishing, on his website, the edited version of this entire discussion
Tom does the editing?
Some die quickly, some suffer, sometimes suffering brings one to a place they wouldn’t have otherwise achieved. It’s not the ones who suffer who are blessed, but the one who has allowed the suffering. Why is this? Some regard life itself as suffering. Leonard may have been one the day he wrote this.Blessed are you who, among the numberless swept away in terror, permitted a few to suffer carefully.
“Curtain over a house” sounds like the way the tabernacle was constructed. “So that a few could lower their eyes,” hmm. Not few, but a few. So I guess these are the same few who survive & suffer. And if they are to lower their eyes, then I guess their eyes were turned upward, unable to think about anything but G-d. And I think I agree that all these coverings are “various positions” on the idea of G-d’s hiding. I guess these few sentences say that it’s hard to know G-d, and that G-d designed it that way. If you have a tabernacle, you have a place where you can go when you need to have that connection, but you can’t spend your whole life there. Go live.Who put a curtain over a house so that a few could lower their eyes. Blessed be Ishmael, who taught us how to cover ourselves. Blessed are you who dressed the shivering spirit in a skin. Who made a fence of changing stars around your wisdom.
But it’s also important to try – to look for and find G-d. And he is revealed in such things as death (seals a house with weeping), orgasm (sweetens the longing), love, life, mercy. In being human we can find G-d. Binding the arm to the heart means acting in a way that is not a self-betrayal. This is about the made-in-the-image thing and coming into G-d’s love.Blessed be the teacher of my heart, on his throne of patience. Blessed are you who circled desire with a blade, and the garden with fiery swords, and heaven and earth with a word. Who, in the terrible inferno, sheltered understanding, and keeps her still, beautiful and deeply concealed. Blessed are you who sweetens the longing between us. Blessed are you who binds the arm to the heart, and the will to the will. Who has written a name on a gate, that she might find it, and come into my room. Who defends a heart with strangerhood. Blessed are you who sealed a house with weeping. Blessed be Ishmael for all time, who covered his face with the wilderness, and came to you in darkness. Blessed be the covenant of love between what is hidden and what is revealed. I was like one who had never been caressed, when you touched me from a place in your name, and dressed the wound of ignorance with mercy. Blessed is the covenant of love, the covenant of mercy, useless light behind the terror, deathless song in the house of night.
Tom, who is Jarkko's assigned assistant on this site [exact title doesn't matter], serves a number of functions on Jarkko's behalf and at Jarkko's pleasure. As part of this function, he has deleted some postings.Is that the same Tom that sometimes deletes posts on this forum?
Tom does the editing?
That's a good idea, and yes, you're right, it would be a little kinder.If at the end that people go back and edit everything they wrote . . . It probably would end being a little kinder.
This would probably make it all much more concise; yet, part of the joy of learning is the discovery process and the way that thoughts evolve. I don't know that I [personally] would want it all whittled out of there. For this very reason, I feel it will be a difficult process for those who undertake it. It's also why I'm glad that these threads in this section will also remain in place. People can choose. It doesn't mean that the editing process you've suggested wouldn't serve their remaining here just as well, thoughDecide for themselves what they think is relevant after refecting on what they learned.
I'm enjoying the way those posting here, including you, are revealing G~d as being in a hide-and-seek game with us. I liked your comments here on that:Some die quickly, some suffer, sometimes suffering brings one to a place they wouldn’t have otherwise achieved. It’s not the ones who suffer who are blessed, but the one who has allowed the suffering. Why is this? Some regard life itself as suffering. Leonard may have been one the day he wrote this.
But it’s also important to try – to look for and find G-d. And he is revealed in such things as death (seals a house with weeping), orgasm (sweetens the longing), love, life, mercy. In being human we can find G-d. Binding the arm to the heart means acting in a way that is not a self-betrayal. This is about the made-in-the-image thing and coming into G-d’s love.
Yes I just went and looked at it. Very good site. it had a reference to a song on it called "Anthem for the Broken Hearted" I was wondering if anyone knew if that was an older version of Anthem.lizzytysh wrote:
Tom also has a site of his own on Leonard that is excellent, as well; albeit not as complex [yet] as Jarkko's.
I'm not quite sure yet how relevant this lead may be. Interesting essays on this poem by Klein;The muezzin upon the minaret
Announces dawn once more; the Moslem kneels;
Elation lifts the Jew from off his heels;
Izak and Ishmael are cousins met.
No desert cries encircle Omar's dome,
No tear erodes the Wall of ancient pain;
Once more may brothers dwell in peace at home;
Though blood was spattered, it has left no stain;
The greeting on this day is loud Shalom!
The white dove settles on the roof again.
Also:"Greetings on This Day," however, concludes with a vision of peace. When the war is over, the humanistic ideal of brotherhood will finally materialize:
Izak and Ishmael are cousins met.
No desert cries encircle Omar's dome,
No tear erodes the Wall of ancient pain;
Once more may brothers dwell in peace at
home;
Though blood was spattered, it has left no
stain;
The greeting on this day is loud Shalom!
The white doves settle on the roofs again.
(CP, p. 128)
The concept of national rebirth redeems the Jew from his passivity and presents him with a new self-image of a proud, independent human being. The long tradition of queries, complaints, and arguments addressed to God by the self-pitying, weak Jew has been transformed into a song of triumphant self-assertion. Klein, therefore, celebrates Zionism not only as a political movement, but also as an indication of possible redemption. The undertaking of an active role in forging man's present and future signifies a process of emotional healing and maturation. Weakness has been replaced with potency; the restoration of Jewish self-respect and self-reliance will result in renewed brotherly relations between "Izak and Ishmael." In Klein's representation of the future, Isaiah's prophetic vision of universal peace comes true. The Jewish farmer and the Arab fallah will cultivate the land together. The moral rebirth of human society will start in the Promised Land: the Zionist orientation transcends the limited concept of a political answer to a national need and reminds mankind of its sacred responsibility to strive towards peaceful coexistence among individuals and nations.
Could the covenant be to rise to play a greater part in Love and Mercy, From bitter searching of the heart?From bitter searching of the heart,
Quickened with passion and with pain
We rise to play a greater part.
This is the faith from which we start:
Men shall know commonwealth again
From bitter searching of the heart.
We loved the easy and the smart,
But now, with keener hand and brain,
We rise to play a greater part.
The lesser loyalties depart,
And neither race nor creed remain
From bitter searching of the heart.
Not steering by the venal chart
That tricked the mass for private gain,
We rise to play a greater part.
Reshaping narrow law and art
Whose symbols are the millions slain,
From bitter searching of the heart
We rise to play a greater part.
"The Stranger Music of Leonard Cohen", by William Ruhlmann, Goldmine, February 19, 1993. Reprinted on Speaking Cohen siteAfter the album's release, Cohen and Lissauer began work on a new album that has never been released. "We did, I'd say, a side and a half," Cohen recalls, "I mean, six or seven songs together. I don't know why I squelched that. It just didn't have the... It had some great tunes on it, and I finally used one of them, "Came So Far From Beauty,' on a record [1979's Recent Songs]. But there were lots of tunes. There was 'Guerrero,' that nobody's ever heard or seen, but we did it on the tour and recorded it. There was an early song called 'Anthem,' no relation to this 'Anthem' [on The Future]. I can't find the thing, I can't find the tapes of it."
It's amazing that a book with as much research as that one with information scattered in it so much would not have an index.Tom Sakic wrote: Thanks for Goddard reference, I tried hardly to trace it since you mentioned it. I always keep to forget that Rawlins/Dorman book as it has no index, and it's too tiny print and it's too big
Jack's Leonard quote.That's what these psalms are about - trying to locate that source of mercy