Correction/Explanation [this posting is along the lines of an 'apology,' by way of explanation of what I really meant with something I said]:
I have learned, since my previous postings having to do with the mares [absent or otherwise], that in some cultures, such references to being a mare/horse can be considered very rude. It sounds, perhaps, akin to referring to someone here [in this culture] as a pig, a jackass, or something to that effect. So, I hasten to clarify that I would never refer to Helven in such derogatory terms. It's not even my style to 'name call' in the first place. I've probably pushed the envelope from time to time, but in the most extreme ~ or playful ~ of circumstances, where my meaning was well understood.
A little explanation/background may make it [hopefully] quite clear. I was playing off Helven's attempt for points with the absent mare. I got an 'existential'-type visual of a mare, forever searching for herself and forever, finding herself absent, as she had to look a direction other than 'outward' with her eyes. I envisioned her looking behind her, in front of her, into all the stables, around corners, out into fields, etc. ~ never realizing that the seeker was the sought.
The headless horseman is some kind of literary reference from [who knows where], which turned out to kinda dovetail with Margaret's comment, about the mare having run away from the rider. The headless horseman came to me, with regard to the absent mare. It just seemed to go together, i.e. 'absent a head' ~ but then, I couldn't have her be both mare
and rider, and
were she rider, she would most definitely
not be headless! She has quite the head on her shoulders, in reality! So, I was going to put "non-headless horseman" and bypassed it when I realized she had to be one or the other ~ mare or horseman ~ anyway. I couldn't really do anything logical with it, so, I opted to stay with the mare, since that was the origin of the 'joke' and her extensive, early-on rationale about the mare being/not being absent.
When I put her in the role of mare here, I put myself in it, as well. I pictured us running a race [to win the game] ~ "the ponies run" ~ with her having been in the lead, and my having taken over [at least for the time being]. Yet, as we round the corner, I can hear her hooves ~ close behind
my own hooves [my being a horse in that race, too] ~ closing in on me, and perhaps about to overtake me, and regain her lead position. I had a track pictured in my mind...."......
a-a-a-a-n-d, on the
outside,
c-l-o-o-o-o-s-i-n-g in, is
HELVEN!!!" ~ horses here are, overall, considered magnificent and beautiful creatures.
I don't know whether I've used this phrase with regard to Helven before, but it's one I heard in Key West, in approximately 1986, at a political event. The current state representative was retiring, and the one to take his place had been elected. The legislative aide [who a number of years later did become the state representative herself] was in attendance, and was in a small circle of people, standing and talking. When she walked away, an older, classy woman commented, "If she was a race horse, I'd bet on her!" It was a very high compliment, indeed. Horse racing here tends to be a sport of the higher, financial echelon; at least there's a lot of money for all concerned in horse racing.
So, referring to Helven as a mare, and placing her in a horse race, fell way into the complimentary range ~ and, most definitely, not an insult. In fact, I was right there with her, and would've made myself 'absent,' too, were it not that the song has nothing to do with "two absent mares." She also had already, clearly earned the reference with her complex posting.
While I'm at it, let me add something about the "gut" thing. Generally, here, that is a term used in regard to males. However, we do want to gain our points, as we're able, so I gave her the instructions for how to go about doing this. She, quite 'ladylike,' had already deemed that this would require her admitting to having one first. With my references to all of this, I did not mean to make inappropriate references to anyone's physicality, or to use un-genteel terms with regard to a woman. It's not a term I'd used in regard to myself, either, yet we were already into that scene of the song, so my efforts became directed toward points [perhaps at any cost

], on her behalf.
Now, for those of you who have read this, and wonder what I'm going on about, it's that words/meanings/connotations vary so much from one culture to another [with many embarrassing situations coming out of them quite innocently]. However, I have no idea who all of our guests are; who all of our members, who post or only read are; or
from where anyone in the future may come. It's important to me, personally, that anyone reading my postings know ~ for absolute certain, as undeniable fact, that no offense was intended, in
any sense
whatsoever , toward Helven. I would not say anything derogatory to her like that. This is
very important to me because I consider Helven a dear friend, and I have
only the
highest regard for her.....and if she were a race horse, I'd bet on her

~ this is my way of saying that she has so many fine qualities that I have complete and utter confidence that she would come out the winner in virtually any situation. The competitive horse race is simply the means for expressing such high regard.
Okay, for those of you bored to tears by now.....well, thanks for listening. Setting this straight was very important to me. At least any future readers of this thread will have only a minimal number of postings to read before they get any misinterpretations set straight.
My love to Helven

,
Elizabeth
Back to the game

!!!