I really enjoyed this interview. Even though there was some familiar ground covered, I found it very funny and illuminating overall.
I didn’t object to Terry Gross’s comments about “Always.” There’s a big difference between this song done as a sweet little waltz and Leonard’s long boozy version! I think the last bit (“not for just a weekend and a shakedown in the shower”) is meant to be funny and a bit rude, and I thought that’s what she was responding to.
Leonard on NPR / Fresh Air - Monday, May 22
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"You came to me this morning and you handled me like meat / you'd have to be a man to know how good that feels, how sweet" - that's got to be one of Lenny's best gags ever.
"Now, why "7 moons?" Are you a cousin of the Monty Python man with three buttocks? "
It comes from a book, actually, Eliza
beth. The fact that I do have a third buttock is just one of those odd coincidences.
Are you really the devil?
"Now, why "7 moons?" Are you a cousin of the Monty Python man with three buttocks? "
It comes from a book, actually, Eliza
beth. The fact that I do have a third buttock is just one of those odd coincidences.Are you really the devil?
Hi E 
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It really don't think it was the newsgroup. I've been there rarely, unless approximately a year ago or a little less, you were there. I did drop in there and read... don't recall whether or not I wrote something, but the more I think of it, that may be where it was... even though it 'feels' like it was here.
I enjoyed the interview overall, particularly for some of the things I've never heard before, or a new slant on some of the things I have [when I say that, I'm not referring to how he phrased that one comment slightly differently]. It felt, overall, like they were comfortable with one another... and I think Terry did a pretty good job reciting some of Leonard's lines. I've always felt that Terry has a knack for bringing unusual things out of people in interviews, and it felt like this was no exception.
Many aspects of it I could refer to positively. My co-worker is going to try to record it for me from home.
~ Lizzy
~It really don't think it was the newsgroup. I've been there rarely, unless approximately a year ago or a little less, you were there. I did drop in there and read... don't recall whether or not I wrote something, but the more I think of it, that may be where it was... even though it 'feels' like it was here.
I enjoyed the interview overall, particularly for some of the things I've never heard before, or a new slant on some of the things I have [when I say that, I'm not referring to how he phrased that one comment slightly differently]. It felt, overall, like they were comfortable with one another... and I think Terry did a pretty good job reciting some of Leonard's lines. I've always felt that Terry has a knack for bringing unusual things out of people in interviews, and it felt like this was no exception.
Many aspects of it I could refer to positively. My co-worker is going to try to record it for me from home.
~ Lizzy
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A comment LC made about beginning Everybody Knows in the 14th arrondisment of Paris reminded me that it was in a cafe there where he met Dylan in the early 1980s and where they discussed songwriting. Dylan claimed to have written I & I in 10 minutes! (I believe him!)
LC comments that the song is about seeing through someone and it's certainly accusatory. Elements of Everybody Knows have always brought Dylan to mind:
"Everybody knows, baby's got new clothes,
Lately, I see her ribbons and her bows,
Have fallen from here curls"
with ribbons and bows getting a mention in LC's composition....
Sent me off to look at the lyric but I don't see other points of convergence....
LC comments that the song is about seeing through someone and it's certainly accusatory. Elements of Everybody Knows have always brought Dylan to mind:
"Everybody knows, baby's got new clothes,
Lately, I see her ribbons and her bows,
Have fallen from here curls"
with ribbons and bows getting a mention in LC's composition....
Sent me off to look at the lyric but I don't see other points of convergence....
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VERY clever use of that icon! I may have to steal it.johnny7moons wrote: "Now, why "7 moons?" Are you a cousin of the Monty Python man with three buttocks? "
It comes from a book, actually, Eliza
What's the book?
All I can say is that persons who have three buttocks ought to be very careful around persons who might be carrying a riding crop.Are you really the devil?
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What's the book?
Johnny Seven Moons crops up in Jim Dodge's fine novels 'Stone Junction' and 'Fup'. He's a kind of wandering spiritual teacher and anarchist saboteur, much like myself.
Why do you think I had the buttock-proliferation surgery in the first place? Now, if you could wield three riding-crops at the same time...
Johnny Seven Moons crops up in Jim Dodge's fine novels 'Stone Junction' and 'Fup'. He's a kind of wandering spiritual teacher and anarchist saboteur, much like myself.
All I can say is that persons who have three buttocks ought to be very careful around persons who might be carrying a riding crop.[/quote]Are you really the devil?
Why do you think I had the buttock-proliferation surgery in the first place? Now, if you could wield three riding-crops at the same time...
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Shouldn’t you be watching me from the rear?
Thank you, Sister Roberta. As always, you are very kind and generous. I thought about calling you this afternoon butt I got distracted. We really need to talk and get caught up. We have fallen way too far, er... behind.
But needless to say I have been thinking of you a lot lately.
xoxo,
Ebub
P.S. Thanks for the great abbreviation!
Thank you, Sister Roberta. As always, you are very kind and generous. I thought about calling you this afternoon butt I got distracted. We really need to talk and get caught up. We have fallen way too far, er... behind.
But needless to say I have been thinking of you a lot lately.
xoxo,
Ebub
P.S. Thanks for the great abbreviation!
This interview was real horror for me. Not only that she seems utterly stupid when she laughs at Always question, but the rest of her interview is highly uninspired, with repeating the questions which are already widely known - like Famous Blue Raincoat, she could do a job and do little research before the show - and not only uninspired but dull etc. She was quite irritating also.
Or "tell us what Boogie Street is", Jesus Christ.
She didn't even stoped when LC told "Those are great lyrics" but repeated to laugh even before askingher question. What's more, those lyrics indeed are great and the rest of original song cannot stand to its standard. Eveyr time when Cohen adds his new verse to classic song - Always or Tennessee Waltz - he runs with it because he actually, like, finishes it, adding the missing verse which concludes the song, summarizes its story. That's why Always's new verse is just great. And it fits the song like it was there in original; catalogue of that love story is conluded, not only for the day, but "Not for just a second, or a minute, or an hour, Not for just a weekend and a shake down in the shower, Not for just the summer and the winter going sour..." Simply great lyrics.
Or "tell us what Boogie Street is", Jesus Christ.
She didn't even stoped when LC told "Those are great lyrics" but repeated to laugh even before askingher question. What's more, those lyrics indeed are great and the rest of original song cannot stand to its standard. Eveyr time when Cohen adds his new verse to classic song - Always or Tennessee Waltz - he runs with it because he actually, like, finishes it, adding the missing verse which concludes the song, summarizes its story. That's why Always's new verse is just great. And it fits the song like it was there in original; catalogue of that love story is conluded, not only for the day, but "Not for just a second, or a minute, or an hour, Not for just a weekend and a shake down in the shower, Not for just the summer and the winter going sour..." Simply great lyrics.
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Ebub.. yeah... heheh.. I imagined you liking it.
I got all your messages on my cell when we were in Maine re: The Fresh Air interview, and we did manage to catch it on Maine Public Radio at the time you said. Thanks! Tom and Rhonda called that afternoon to remind us, too.
I've always liked Terry's interviews.. she had a really excellent one with Tom Waits a few years back. Or maybe it was Tom that made it so good! I wasn't so sure about this one with Leonard. Although I liked it overall, I sort of agree with Tom (Sakic) about it - well, at least with parts of it. I was feeling kind of squirmy during the "Always" bit - was wondering why she just didn't "get it". I think she referred to the lines about the shower as being "sour" or something like that. I never had that impression about it... From first impression on, I've thought of it as a very playful and sexy song, full of passion and promise.
I had a sense, also, of Leonard being rushed along in that interview. I didn't settle into a relaxed feeling, like I have in some of the other interviews. But I did get the impression that Terry's been sort of a fan over the years, at least to some degree, even if she's not a crazy Cohenist like the rest of us.
Talk to you soon!
B
I got all your messages on my cell when we were in Maine re: The Fresh Air interview, and we did manage to catch it on Maine Public Radio at the time you said. Thanks! Tom and Rhonda called that afternoon to remind us, too.
I've always liked Terry's interviews.. she had a really excellent one with Tom Waits a few years back. Or maybe it was Tom that made it so good! I wasn't so sure about this one with Leonard. Although I liked it overall, I sort of agree with Tom (Sakic) about it - well, at least with parts of it. I was feeling kind of squirmy during the "Always" bit - was wondering why she just didn't "get it". I think she referred to the lines about the shower as being "sour" or something like that. I never had that impression about it... From first impression on, I've thought of it as a very playful and sexy song, full of passion and promise.
I had a sense, also, of Leonard being rushed along in that interview. I didn't settle into a relaxed feeling, like I have in some of the other interviews. But I did get the impression that Terry's been sort of a fan over the years, at least to some degree, even if she's not a crazy Cohenist like the rest of us.
Talk to you soon!
B
Tom, I was annoyed by how she badgered him Chelsea Hotel, and the line about handsome men. But we did get some amusing replies from Leonard nevertheless.
However, I completely disagree with you about his added lyrics completing /concluding Always! Of course, that's my interpretation of it, and neither of us are wrong. Anyways, as written, Always is a pretty love song. In Leonard's version, it grows darker, and in my mind, I always picture it as "if you really love somebody, these are the _lies_ that you gotta learn to tell." And that one verse basically saying I could've loved you always, but you had to go with the one weekend stand.
Hmm. But that interpretation is probably from my current point of view.
However, I completely disagree with you about his added lyrics completing /concluding Always! Of course, that's my interpretation of it, and neither of us are wrong. Anyways, as written, Always is a pretty love song. In Leonard's version, it grows darker, and in my mind, I always picture it as "if you really love somebody, these are the _lies_ that you gotta learn to tell." And that one verse basically saying I could've loved you always, but you had to go with the one weekend stand.
Hmm. But that interpretation is probably from my current point of view.