It's me again Heathcliff ~

This is for your own works!!!
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Hi Heathcliffe ~

Yes, I can understand what you're saying about how and why you felt the way you did.

It's really, really hard to know you're saying something accurate just from a person's few words; however, she has given a few clues, in what she's written, that may be substantive, in that way. I've italicized the areas that seem most relevant.
. . . ok, I went from thing to thing trying to get away from my past and my childhood and gave away all of my stuff from it so I wouldn't have to be reminded of those times, I never realized that I would meet someone like you that is as kind and caring , and that I would feel safe again. Overcoming your own personal blockages is for you to have, to feel good from the inside out, It's a gift to yourself, I love you and I don't expect it to be done for me . . .
It sounds like her childhood experiences worked against the establishment of trust, in perhaps some pretty severe ways. Childhood is the time during which trust is to be built.

Giving away everything from your childhood is an extreme act and is significant.

She makes it very clear that you are not, nor were you ever expected to be, the norm in her life. Trust creates a feeling and belief in life and people that basically says, "People are basically good. People are basically good today, and will be basically good tomorrow." From what she says, "kind and caring" haven't been an ongoing, normal part of her life; so, you stand out in that way.

Feeling "safe" is one of our most basic needs. Something interrupted that feeling in her life, substantially enough that she really didn't believe she would ever feel that way again.

So, even though you appeared as the 'knight on the white horse,' you are not what she's used to; you're not part of her 'what's normal.' In that way, you're 'scarey' ~ she's learned to deal with things the way they've been; even though she may not like the way they are, she at least knows what to 'expect.' Her survival mechanisms are probably, pretty solidly in place ~ and you're an interruption in her personal 'status quo.'

She could be experiencing a lot of different things right now. Fear of losing you; fear of how to deal with you in the long run; perhaps, 'boredom' with you and your being so 'nice' [after being used to the adrenaline of 'not nice']; feeling more comfortable with being 'shut down' emotionally [her survival mechanism], as numbness doesn't have to concern itself with anything scarey, new, or different. The list goes on.

However, she may be going through the 'fear of intimacy' dance, that even those who haven't emotionally 'detached,' as a result of childhood trauma, do. Even moreso for those who have :cry: . That's a one step forward, two steps back; 1/2 step forward, three steps back; two steps forward, one step back; etc. ad infinitum [sometimes, ad nauseum :wink: ], until she really comes to believe and accept that she really can trust and believe in you.

After reading the excerpt you've shared, my honest opinion is that you will do best for yourself to just wait, as well as go on with your life, in the most productive way you know how. If you have any interactions with her, continue to be your kind and caring self. Now is definitely not the time [if there ever were one :? ] to throw harsh words and accusations her way. Showing your own consistency as a stable person will mean more to her than anything. It could result in reconciliation; it could result in a transformation of your relationship with her into a good, trusting friendship; or it could result in nothing regarding her, but in a building on your own self-respect.

Life is about learning, and this may be one of your own, painful lessons. Perhaps, about how some people are able to trust, and others simply not. It may never come to more than that for you. However, how you deal with this will impact how she ends up feeling about you; and, more importantly, how you end up feeling about yourself.

Well, I've said enough for now. This really isn't Psych 101. What I've said is pretty basic information and knowledge. I hope you can pull something from it that's helpful.

It seems that this is too soon to judge the true status of this, particular relationship. You have solid values and high ideals that are pretty rare these days. Please hold on to them. I hope things will go well for you, Heathcliffe.

~ Lizzy
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Hi Ali ~
Out of the blue . . . neither of us was actively seeking a partner when we met.
Those are the best :D ~ if there can be a 'best' when it comes to love :) .
I took some time out from them and learned to like living with myself. I filled up my time in a constructive manner
I hope Heathcliffe sees this idea's value.
a relationship as a disposable commodity
That's how I've, also, described the tendencies that have developed with relationships in more recent years, with our ever-decreasing attention spans in all arenas.
carried no baggage over into our relationship
Congratulations on that feat :wink: !
We have been together 7 very happy years at the end of this month.
Happy, happy anniversary to you both :D 8) :D !!!

~ Lizzy
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Get over it boy
you got laid
be thankful for that
you 23 year old virgin nance.

Btw...I've experienced
"spiritual sex" too
many times
I've been known to shout
"YES YES Thank You Lord"...
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Post by Heathcliffe »

I'm having another dark night of the soul, trying to find out where I am going and who I am, and what I am supposed to do. But trying to find the courage and faith and love from within to carry on is taking a great deal of soul-searching. I know some of you will think I am whining and I am sorry. But, I'm trying very hard to get rid of all the negative energy that has built up.


I have deleted inappropriate words from my post.
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This is Lizzy here, Heathcliffe.

Your latest post has triggered two reminders I want to give:

(1) We are equal-opportunity name callers here. If your harsh response to Vince is to stand, then what about Laurie's post to you?

(2) If you think Vince is heartless and rude, check out his response to "dar" in this section, and you'll see that he's anything but . . .

I read his posting to you here as being 'doing a guy thing' with you.

~ Lizzy
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I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I was venting and I apologise to Vince. What I said was unenlightened, my nature is such that I experience extremes of emotion. I had become so worked up that everything had clouded my view. I know that some of you might think that I'm fishing for pity but I'm not. My dreams and hopes have been crushed and wringed to pieces, but I will be ok.
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Cool. Very cool. Much better. Thanks. Now I can call off your dogs on Laurie :wink: .

I don't think you're fishing for pity. At first, I didn't respond to you at all because I wasn't really certain if your postings were 'legitimate' or a [whatever that Brit term is that I've now forgotten!] put-on [they have a much better term for it]. When I felt they really were real, I responded. You're just incredibly open ~ far more than the rest of us ~ and it catches people off-guard. The easiest way to deal with that is to ignore you, or make a joke. You've gotten some of each, plus some caring responses. Pretty good, all in all.

~ Lizzy
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Is the expression you're looking for "on a wind up", Lizzy? There are a few posters on this forum who seem to be on a wind up, and sometimes it is difficult to figure out who is and who isn't. Heathcliffe, assuming you are not on a wind up, (and apologies if you are not, for thinking that you might be!), none of us gets through life without feeling at some point, or a number of points, as devastated as you do. It's not your fault. It's just life - we screw up and we hurt each other. For those of us that feel "extremes of emotion" as you say above; we are the lucky ones, because we might feel the bad more intensely, but we feel the good moreso too. I wish you many good times in the future.

Take care,

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Thank you, Diane :D ~ that's exactly the term I was searching 8) ! So perfect. I'm sure it was Paula [my personal translator :wink: ] who explained it to me the first time I encountered it and was baffled :? ~ even though, in retrospect, it seems at least a bit self-explanatory.

Good response regarding "extremes of emotion" ~ I agree.

~ Lizzy
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lizzytysh wrote:Thank you, Diane :D ~ that's exactly the term I was searching 8) ! So perfect. I'm sure it was Paula [my personal translator :wink: ] who explained it to me the first time I encountered it and was baffled :? ~ even though, in retrospect, it seems at least a bit self-explanatory.

Good response regarding "extremes of emotion" ~ I agree.

~ Lizzy
I used to go out with a girl who worked in a handbag and suitcase shop, but I felt she brought too much baggage to the relationship.
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Yeah, yeah ~ and look at what happened to your gratitude for all the good deals you got ~ ungrateful scouser! [And, I was wondering how it was that it ~ that awful, first word [my 3rd, edited line here] could be what it is in its verb form, and not 'that' bad as a noun :? !?! Now, I know ~ wrong word!]

[Is that the correct, Brit term :wink: ?]
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lizzytysh wrote:Yeah, yeah ~ and look at what happened to your gratitude for all the good deals you got ~ ungrateful sod!

[Is that the correct, Brit term :wink: ?]
that is a highly offensive term and I shall not speak to you ever again until the next time I so choose.
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Oh, dear ~ PLUS, I think I actually got it wrong! It was "scouse" I was looking for! Ken used it regarding himself, as to why I would not ~ along with others ~ be getting the Five Brothers t-shirt that he promised us. Good to his 'scouse' word, I haven't :? !

I shall hasten to correct myself, so that you may feel free to speak to me again on my choosing! So many [Brit] words to choose from!

Dang it~! I think I still got it wrong! I think it's "scouser"! Will the real word please stand up :shock: !?! Here goes a 2nd, "edited" line :? .
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Lizz wrote:
(1) We are equal-opportunity name callers here. If your harsh response to Vince is to stand, then what about Laurie's post to you?
My response was quite serious.
If you want to feed baby food to a 23 year old guy, fine. I don't particularly think that it will do much more than illicit more of the same.

I hardly think that Vince's 'shouting during sex,' post is on par with my initial post. Being put in the same box as Vince for the sake of pointing out an insult should have been slung at me too...well, that speaks for itself.
The only "dogs called on me" were not called by young Heathcliff.

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Of course, Laurie ~ I was well aware of that; did you somehow miss it? I called them on you, the same as I 'called them off.' Serious or not, the way yours was stated could have been pinpointed the same as Vince's ~ or at least the way I read it; but, then, I was the one commenting on it, too, so that stands to reason, as well.

In fact, I didn't comment on it, initially, the same as I didn't comment on Vince's; however, since young Heathcliffe chose to pinpoint one, I felt it only fair to pinpoint yours, as well.

Your follow-up post regarding "feed baby food" rather confirms my take on your initial one.

Call empathy/compassion/caring about another's expressed pain "feed baby food," if you like. I don't.

Of course, I felt rather :wink: 'ingly about the whole issue, with regard to you. But, then, leave it to me to not be deadly serious about everything regarding you :wink: .

~ Lizzy
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