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Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 5:30 am
by John K.
Paula wrote:What the hell is happening in New Orleans I can't believe that the richest country in the world is leaving these poor people to fend as best they can it is devastation out there. New Orleans is nearly wiped off the map and Missisippi is trashed. The area covered is the size of Britain thousands and thousands of people killed, injured and homeless.
Isn't it obvious Paula? All the important people are still in Aruba trying despirately to get to the bottom of that truly IMPORTANT story, the Natalee Holloway mystery!

Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 5:40 am
by lizzytysh
My heart is with Natalee Holloway and her family, with the horrific manner of her death. However, she still tragically serves as a means to make the same point I did, John, in my last post in the "Sadness . . . in the News" thread. Natalee is the white, blue-eyed blonde, who could afford to take a high-school, graduation trip to Aruba.

Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 6:18 am
by Young dr. Freud
The richest country in the world isn't leaving it's people to fend for themselves. This is HUGE. A Category Five Hurricane is like a nuclear bomb going off. Over a million people have been displaced. You can't just waltz in and fix everything overnight. The logistics of merely transporting the help IN is a nightmare. Will it get worse before it gets better?...probably. But it will get better.

As for the Holloway remarks...asinine.


YdF

In Praise of Looting

Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 6:35 am
by lightning
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In Praise of Looting

Blaming Katrina's victims for not being rich

By Harry Looter
For Infoshop News
September 1, 2005

"The Iberville Housing Projects got pissed off because the police
started to "shop" after they kicked out looters. Then they started
shooting at cops. When the cops left, the looters looted everything.
There's probably not a grocery left in this city."
http://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor/

The devastation wrought on the Gulf Coast by Hurricane Katrina is
clearly evident three days after the winds started blowing and the
journalists scampered out from their hotels. Most of New Orleans is
under water. The Mississippi and Alabama coasts are obliterated. The
situation in New Orleans is dire as thousands of people struggle to
survive and get out of the worsening toxic cesspool that the city is
becoming.

In the midst of all of this pain and misery, the media and the
authorities have decided that the central story now is the looting and
"lawlessness" that are taking place around the city. The poor, mostly
black, victims of Hurricane Katrina are being blamed for their response
to the situation. Their logical response to having the homes and
neighborhoods destroyed is understandable given that this disaster has
been happening for a long time in their neighborhoods and lives. The
ongoing disaster that they are reacting to is the catastrophe known as
capitalism.

The media knows that playing up the looting on TV plays well in Peoria.
Comfortable middle class white people watch the New Orleans situation on
TV and resort to simplistic Christian judgments about right and wrong.
Some of them understand that the "looters" have a moral right to take
food and medicine, but they seize on news that looters have taken guns
and TVs as evidence that the looters are bad people. The authorities
help reinforce these beliefs with their constant pontification about how
looters will be punished. This morning the authorities are further
demonizing the poor people of New Orleans by suspending rescue efforts
because some person fired at a Coast Guard rescue worker. We all know
that if some white dude in a rich neighborhood that was under water
fired at rescue workers the rescue effort would continue uninterrupted.

What exactly is so evil about taking a package of Pampers or some cans
of food from a Winn-Dixie or a Wal-Mart store? These people are trying
to survive in neighborhoods that are under water, with no services of
any kind. Are the rescue workers, the media, or the state dropping
pampers and bottled water into the flooded neighborhoods of New Orleans?
Are the on-the-scene Fox News anchors putting down their microphones,
rolling up their sleeves, and helping rescue people?

The media and authorities' obsession with looting is racist, capitalist
and simply inhumane. What difference does it make what people take from
the stores near their neighborhoods? They have no access to food, clean
water, diapers, medicine, shoes, liquor, cigarettes and all the things
that they need to get through this crisis. It's not like these corporate
grocery stores are going to go bankrupt because hungry people clear out
an inventory that will have to be destroyed once the waters recede.
People are "dumpster-diving" from stores who are insured, well
capitalized, and which will have to throw away all of their stock anyway.

The Government Can't Help You

The failure of the American state to respond to this tragedy is
abundantly clear at this point. In its typical fashion, the state will
turn the situation into a circus before the capitalist profiteers move
in. On Friday, American president George W. Bush will fly into New
Orleans to perform a photo op while some residents of New Orleans are
still trapped in their attics. Many poor residents will be dying as Bush
speaks useless words about the catastrophe. The hungry and wet people
won't be fed by Bush's visit, but perhaps if he falls out of a
helicopter while surveying the damage, the residents can make a good
jambalaya with the presidential corpse. Meanwhile, there are reports
that Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice was laughing it up last night at
a production in New York City of 'Spamalot'.

The catastrophe in New Orleans once again demonstrates the inability of
the state to take care of its subjects, especially its poorest citizens.
For all of the talk about "homeland security" over the past few years,
very little homeland security was available for the residents of New
Orleans. There are reports now about how the government cut back on
programs that would have helped New Orleans weather this disaster. The
immediate response by rescue workers was hampered by the fact that the
Louisiana National Guard is stuck in Iraq, fighting and losing an
imperialist war staged by Bush and his Halliburton cronies. The
evacuation plan worked for middle and upper class people with cars, but
apparently there was no effort to bus poor people out of the city as
Hurricane Katrina approached.

If there is a silver lining in this ongoing tragedy, it involves the
small acts of mutual aid being done by New Orleans residents for each
other. This includes people rescuing people from flooded houses, people
helping move sick people to dry ground, people sharing food and
materials with each other, and much more. In times of natural or manmade
disasters, humans have shown time and time again their ability to help
each other out via mutual aid. These responses play out organically and
can't be organized by the state. In many instances, the state's efforts
interfere with this mutual aid and make situations worse. It's pretty
clear in New Orleans that the state totally failed the poor residents of
the city.

Looting is not a problem in New Orleans right now. People have a right
to take what they need to survive. Even if they take things that aren't
needed for survival, those of us watching from the comfort of our dry
homes have no reason to complain about these actions. Finally, let's
remember that looting is a form of wealth redistribution. When rich
people loot, they call it capitalism, good business practices, third
quarter dividends, the new economy and "giving people job." When your
neighborhood is under water and there are no relief services in sight,
taking diapers from a Wal-Mart is not a criminal or immoral act.

Hooray for the looters!



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Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 6:48 am
by Young dr. Freud
More Commie Bullshit.



YdF

Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 6:52 am
by Paula
I disagree with you YdF they are leaving them to fend for themselves the people are poor the Government doesn't give a shit.

Lighting I agree with you good luck to those looters I would be looting myself in those circumstances.

Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 7:19 am
by Young dr. Freud
Sorry Paula, but I would never say the same about your government in the face of a national disaster. I would know that it wouldn't be true...no matter what your pundits on TV were pontificating about. People here in the media are paying off old scores when they talk about the lack of government response. Despicable.

As for the poor "looters." Don't make me laugh. New Orleans is the most corrupt city in the US. Everybody from the top down. The politicians, the police and many of its citizens. (Sorry Lizzy...but the city is run by Democrats). It has a huge criminal element. And now these upstanding citizens are using this disaster as an excuse to run amuck.

For those of you who would join the "looters"...remind me not to ride out the next hurricane with you.

YdF

Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 10:02 am
by bee
Their logical response to having the homes and
neighborhoods destroyed is understandable given that this disaster has
been happening for a long time in their neighborhoods and lives. The
ongoing disaster that they are reacting to is the catastrophe known as
capitalism.
None of the looters, what has been seen on TV, looked skinny, shaking from hunger and thirst, desperate for any crumb of food-the guys were fat and big and strong, they were looting quite cheerfully, many of them stayed there just for that very reason. The looters would have no mercy, if you would have been on their way, it is most dangerous thing in a disastrous situations, every person of reason knows that. To ask a question- what would be wrong with looting- is just commie propaganda, using every opportunity to push that propaganda, I agree with you YdF

Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 11:32 am
by Fljotsdale
Looting is despicable. It's theft. These people are stealing from people who have nothing left, who's homes, businesses and stores have been ruined. They are stealing from people who either left the city to save their families, or who have died.
Looters are rats and carrion feeders - and that's insulting the rats.

I CAN understand stealing food and water. Nothing else.

The US government is way too slow getting aid to the people. But it was ever thus. :roll:

Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 12:32 pm
by bee
Fljots, mostly they looted the stores, where they could steal guns and at ATM machines.
Now there are armed gangs of men, who do the looting fully armed, not hesitating to shoot at police. Police is afraid to go in where the gangs are raping, killing and looting some more> Has nothing to do with hunger or thirst.

Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 1:17 pm
by Dem
New Orleans in Anarchy With Fights, Rapes

By ALLEN G. BREED, Associated Press Writer

NEW ORLEANS - New Orleans descended into anarchy Thursday as corpses lay abandoned in street medians, fights and fires broke out, cops turned in their badges and the governor declared war on looters who have made the city a menacing landscape of disorder and fear.

"They have M-16s and they're locked and loaded," Gov. Kathleen Blanco said of 300 National Guard troops who landed in New Orleans fresh from duty in Iraq. "These troops know how to shoot and kill, and they are more than willing to do so, and I expect they will."

The values of "Great Democracy" at work?

This is the country that wants to "spread Democracy" to the rest of the world?

The psychopaths (aka "heroes") that were killing poor Iraqi people will now start killing the poor American people?

Dem

PS) And please don't blame the Bush administration for being slow in help. Do you know how much they have to spend everyday for "bringing Democracy to Iraq?"

Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 2:25 pm
by jurica
the truth from the news is very strange. it can take different forms and tastes.

i'm not going to take sides here, but i'll try to describe the picture WE get here on our TV:
- there was a BLACK girl in epileptic shock because she was hungry (that's what we were told, anyway) screaming: 'i don't want to die this way!'
- there were hundreds of BLACK people on the streets having no shelter and apparently no food
- there were WHITE police officers chasing after BLACK (and one hispanoamerican) muggers
- there was a BLACK woman saying: 'my child is going to die tomorrow of diabetes because she hasn't eaten in three days'
- there was a WHITE policeman loothing after he chased out the black muggers
.
.
.

therefore: those of you who said 'the muggers were not skinny' are talking bullshit. a person can be 250pnds and still die of hunger if she is not fed for more than a week. when you burn fat for energy, you don't get vitamins, minerals etc. and without some of them you cannot survive for more than a week.

the fact that the muggers were all BLACK with one sole exception (a hispanoamerican), and that all of the people screaming for help were also BLACK on TV, can be interpreted in different ways.

so, from what little information i can get here - i can say that looting for food, cloths, blankets and simillar is more than justified.

if someone calls it 'More Commie Bullshit', i'm not going to argue with him, since he did not offer any arguments in the first place - just his own ignorance and talent to repeat generalizations which were put into the empty space of his brain left after the TV-induced brainwash.

Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 2:39 pm
by Tri-me
Just listened, on the radio, to the mayor of New Orleans pleading, for the government to get their act together. He was reduced to tears at the end of the interview. He certainly feels that there is not enough being done.

Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 4:34 pm
by Young dr. Freud
if someone calls it 'More Commie Bullshit', i'm not going to argue with him, since he did not offer any arguments in the first place - just his own ignorance and talent to repeat generalizations which were put into the empty space of his brain left after the TV-induced brainwash.
You've got to be kidding.

Lightning's posted article is 100% grade A Commie Agitprop.
Blaming Katrina's victims for not being rich

The ongoing disaster that they are reacting to is the catastrophe known as capitalism.
Comfortable middle class white people
simplistic Christian judgments about right and wrong.
We all know that if some white dude in a rich neighborhood that was under water fired at rescue workers the rescue effort would continue uninterrupted.
The media and authorities' obsession with looting is racist, capitalist and simply inhumane.
corporate grocery stores
capitalist profiteers

the inability of the state to take care of its subjects, especially its poorest citizens.
imperialist war
middle and upper class people with cars,
Finally, let's remember that looting is a form of wealth redistribution.
Who needs to "offer any arguments" that the article is Commie Bullshit. It's all right there. Piled high and steaming.

YdF

Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 4:43 pm
by Dem
In the mean time blacks are "looting" their food
while whites are just "finding" it:

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/ ... ex_np.html

and

http://www.flickr.com/photos/triciawang/38922728/

See also:
http://www.snopes.com/photos/katrina/looters.asp